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Re: Beer
« Reply #476 on: October 08, 2022, 11:35:34 AM »
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Re: Beer
« Reply #477 on: October 09, 2022, 10:01:03 AM »
Some of Sam Adams seasonals are good.  Their Winter Lager and Old Fezziweg Ale are excellent, IMO.

Their flagship/mainstays are unremarkable.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #478 on: October 09, 2022, 03:34:05 PM »
I suppose I'm not all that adventurous when it comes to beer.  I don't want "remarkable" personally.  I don't want "flavors" added, a good beer is fine with me, it can be an IPA if it's balanced (one could say they have flavors added of course).  A nice well balanced ale or lager works for me.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #479 on: October 09, 2022, 06:47:12 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 09, 2022, 03:34:05 PM
I suppose I'm not all that adventurous when it comes to beer.  I don't want "remarkable" personally.  I don't want "flavors" added, a good beer is fine with me, it can be an IPA if it's balanced (one could say they have flavors added of course).  A nice well balanced ale or lager works for me.
That's about where I am on beer.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #480 on: October 09, 2022, 08:16:28 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 09, 2022, 03:34:05 PM
I suppose I'm not all that adventurous when it comes to beer.  I don't want "remarkable" personally.  I don't want "flavors" added, a good beer is fine with me, it can be an IPA if it's balanced (one could say they have flavors added of course).  A nice well balanced ale or lager works for me.
Not sure why you'd equate "remarkable" with "flavors added" that's an odd attempted connection to draw.

I consider a nice St. Emilion Bordeaux to be "remarkable" and there's nothing "added."  I consider a top notch Czech Pilz to be remarkable and there's nothing "added."

Remarkable is a word I use for something tasty and worthy of being remarked upon.  That's a very simple basic and obvious definition.

Unremarkable translates to something that is not interesting, not special, not memorable, and not worthy of being remarked upon.

Didn't think any of that required further explanation but apparently it did...
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Re: Beer
« Reply #481 on: October 10, 2022, 07:15:51 AM »
Actually, the best wines I've ever had were "unremarkable" in that it was difficult to remark about them, other than that they were VERY good.  I think the same of beer.  I don't want a remarkable level of THIS flavor or THAT, no fruit, just balance.  A great beverage has balance, in my view, which is unremarkable, to me.

I don't sip a great wine and go on about how it tastes of cherries, or wood, or asparagus, it's just great, and beyond that unremarkable.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #482 on: October 10, 2022, 09:03:35 AM »
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Re: Beer
« Reply #483 on: October 10, 2022, 09:27:39 AM »
A thing I always "teach against" in my wine classes is getting too "technical" about tasting.  The "Sideways" movie is a case in point, for me.  (I enjoy the movie.)  When one starts trying to peel apart how a wine tastes, I think one loses enjoyment in simply trying to impress others.

The same is true, for me, with beer, I don't desire something with Reisling must and hard pressed apples.  Maybe it's good, it could be.  I favor simplicity and simply liking a wine (if I do) or beer.  Some of the California wine makers got too extreme, for me, in several ways, and lost the essentials, I think, some of the French, a few fortunately, are following suit.

I had a zinfandel last night that was pretty good, not overly done, I stopped drinking them for years.  Maybe it's time to go back.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #484 on: October 10, 2022, 09:35:42 AM »
So anyway your leap from me saying "remarkable" to some weird assumption about "adding flavors" was odd, and incorrect.

But I don't really feel the need to explain further what I mean when I say "remarkable" so I'll leave it at that.

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Re: Beer
« Reply #485 on: October 10, 2022, 09:37:32 AM »
Adding fruit to beer to me is an example of trying to make it remarkable.  

"Worthy of a remark" of some sort, as opposed to just making a good, balanced, normal beer.



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« Reply #486 on: October 10, 2022, 09:43:05 AM »
I'm not using your definition of "remarkable" because I'm not talking about adding anything to beer.

However, the best beer-making countries in the world have been adding fruit to beer for at least a thousand years, so I don't think of that as anything unusual. 
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Re: Beer
« Reply #487 on: October 10, 2022, 09:54:25 AM »
Fine with me, I don't care for those kinds of beers.  I don't care for wheat beer either, or overly hopped IPAs.

I do think it's fun to try excesses at times as experiments.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #488 on: October 10, 2022, 10:00:43 AM »
I'll certainly agree that there are some modern beer styles that are excessive and represent "trying too hard."  Brutally over-hopped West Coast IPAs are one example.  Overly alcohol-y strong beers and barley wines, created solely to one-up each other, are another.  There's a point where it just stops tasting good.

But the Belgians aren't trying to make some big splash with a framboise lambic that includes raspberries and wild yeast, it's simply a recipe that's been made at their abbey or monastery for a thousand years.  Take it or leave it, but they're not "adding something" to beer that hasn't been added millions of times before.

And the Bavarians aren't trying to be overly impressive with a hefeweien, wheat is just the grain they chose to make their beer, about 600 years ago, because it was plentiful and readily available. I personally like a good hefeweizen a great deal, but it certainly has a flavor that is distinct from a pilsner or mild lager.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #489 on: October 10, 2022, 10:09:07 AM »
I don't care how long it's been done, at all.  It matters not to me.

It reminds me of the origins of Champagne, they made crappy wine there until they figured out making bubbles in it masked the flavor of their crappy wine.  Champagne has been around a long time also, my wife loves it, I don't.  And I have all the three expensive ones.

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