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CWSooner

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« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2022, 02:49:33 PM »
I don't get that at all. Muleshoe inherited a program even more broken (4-8) than OU was (5-6) when Bob Stoops took over after the 1998 season.

Bob engineered a great turnaround, but the Sooners still only improved to 7-5 in 1999.

OU went 11-2 in 2021 and finished AP #10. The first 3-loss team was Ole Miss (10-3) at #11.

Is USC going to go from 4-8 to 11-2?  I can't see that.  It will be an amazing turnaround if Muleshoe gets the Trojans to 8-4.
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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2022, 02:53:33 PM »
Maybe the Pac is that weak now?  Dunno, Utah and Oregon get ranked pretty high also.  And I think UCLA could possibly make 10-2.
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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2022, 03:15:06 PM »
I forgot about this--probably the most overblown of all the predictions for USC--Pete Fiutak at College Football News has USC meeting Alabama in the Peach Bowl, a CFP semi-final game.

Too much of Dr. Muleshoe's Snake Oil Elixir has been passed around, I think.
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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2022, 06:55:27 PM »
OU football still seeks first all-American of Lincoln Riley era
Berry Tramel
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CeeDee Lamb signed with OU football in February 2017. That autumn, Lamb was playing for the Sooners. Even caught six passes in the national semifinals against Georgia.

Lamb was a great player. And in 2019, Lamb was named first-team all-American.

No big deal, really. Great player at a great program. Lamb was the 39th Sooner of the 21st century to make first-team all-American; all but Rocky Calmus, Jeff Ferguson and J.T. Thatcher were recruited by Bob Stoops staffs.

Stoops retired in June 2017, Lincoln Riley immediately was named Stoops’ successor and the Sooners continued to roll. Great teams. Great games. Great players.

But now Riley is gone to Southern Cal, and OU still is waiting for one of the recruits from his classes to make first-team all-American.

That’s right. OU has not had a Riley-recruited all-American.

Tramel: Did Lincoln Riley find harder road in the Big Ten with USC than in SEC with OU?

That’s Riley as head coach. Kyler Murray, who in 2018 quarterbacked as well as anyone ever has in crimson and cream, came to Norman in 2016, primarily because of Riley, who then was Stoops’ offensive coordinator. Murray won the 2018 Heisman Trophy and indeed made all-American.

So this is no knock on Riley’s status as a quarterback whisperer. Even down to Caleb Williams, who in January followed Riley to USC, Riley brought in elite quarterbacks.

But the rest of the roster hasn’t seemed to flourish as much, a point I made last week when only one Sooner, punter Michael Turk, showed up on the preseason all-Big 12 team.

It wasn’t so much the lack of heralded Sooners, it was the lack of Sooner candidates. No one stood in the gap as an overlooked all-Big 12 player.

And the gradual talent slide is apparent. None of Riley’s four recruiting classes as head coach – 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 – have produced a first-team all-American.

Lamb made all-American in 2019. The 2018 all-Americans were Murray, Marquise Brown and Ben Powers, all signed under the Stoops regime.

Not since 1996-99 has OU gone two straight seasons without a first-team all-American. The only Stoops years without a first-team all-American was 2005, 2012 and 2014.

Stoops seemed to rally whenever a talent deficiency arose. By 2008, OU had four first-team all-Americans – Sam Bradford, Duke Robinson, Jermaine Gresham and Gerald McCoy. By 2017, OU had four more – Baker Mayfield, Orlando Brown, Mark Andrews and Obo Okoronkwo.

But now, with Brent Venables taking over as head coach, the Sooners face a potential third straight season without a first-team all-American.

The talent slide has resulted in two straight seasons in which OU failed to finish atop the Big 12 standings. The Sooners beat Iowa State in the 2020 Big 12 Championship Game but didn’t so much as make the Big 12 title game in 2021.

OU is headed for the Southeastern Conference sometime between now and 2025. The plan was to build up the program and be ready for the SEC rigors when the move took place. That’s still the plan.

But the Sooners suddenly are scrambling to keep pace in the Big 12, much less the SEC.
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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2022, 06:57:26 PM »
Man y'all sure love to hate on Lincoln Riley.  No fury like a football fanbase scorned I guess.

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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2022, 07:04:23 PM »
It's not the leaving as much as it is the way he left, as well as the lies he continues to tell about his leaving.

We'll see how he does at USC. If he's the great success that Colin Cowherd and Pete Fiutak think he's going to be, and if Brent Venables turns out to be in over his head as HFC, then maybe we'll wake up and wish we had kept him.  But right now, 99 and 44/100ths percent of Sooner fans feel like we got an upgrade.

As I was pointing out long before he left (albeit maybe not on this board), he was getting a little-less-great results with each passing year. I wasn't calling for him to be fired, but I feared that there was not going to be a turnaround any time soon.
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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2022, 07:23:16 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 22, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
It's not the leaving as much as it is the way he left, as well as the lies he continues to tell about his leaving.

Oh I get it, completely.  After watching Nebraska and A&M ditch the B12, and lying and bullshitting whilst running Texas through the mud the entire time, despite both schools aligning 100% and voting lock-step with Texas on every single major financial decision made in the history of the conference...

Yeah I get it.  You better believe I do.
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« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2022, 08:13:33 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 22, 2022, 07:23:16 PM
Oh I get it, completely.  After watching Nebraska and A&M ditch the B12, and lying and bullshitting whilst running Texas through the mud the entire time, despite both schools aligning 100% and voting lock-step with Texas on every single major financial decision made in the history of the conference...

Yeah I get it.  You better believe I do.
I'm missing the connection to Lincoln Riley's departure.
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« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2022, 09:18:13 AM »
Not the leaving but the way it happened.  I can understand anger about that kind of thing,
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« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2022, 10:20:17 AM »
Hilarious. 

Let’s get it straight that A&M was not the first school that left the Big 12 and  Texas was trying to get us to go with them to the PAC-12. A&M and the SEC was always going to happen.  Had political forces not intervened in the 90’s it would have happened then. 

Texas always had the option of the SEC or Big 10. They wanted the PAC. It would not surprise me in the least if Texas canceled their SEC deal and swapped to the B1G. 
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« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2022, 10:31:20 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on July 23, 2022, 10:20:17 AM
Hilarious.

Let’s get it straight that A&M was not the first school that left the Big 12 and  Texas was trying to get us to go with them to the PAC-12. A&M and the SEC was always going to happen.  Had political forces not intervened in the 90’s it would have happened then.

Texas always had the option of the SEC or Big 10. They wanted the PAC. It would not surprise me in the least if Texas canceled their SEC deal and swapped to the B1G.
not sure what your point is

nobody said aggie was the first to leave the Big 12

the previous post was the crap that was said after leaving
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« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2022, 10:33:37 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on July 23, 2022, 10:20:17 AM
It would not surprise me in the least if Texas canceled their SEC deal and swapped to the B1G.
It would shock the hell out of me.  Texas stands to have all three of its traditional rivals back on the schedule regularly.  Why would the Horns go elsewhere? 

This sounds like wishful aggie thinking.
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« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2022, 10:36:48 AM »
silly aggie
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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2022, 11:20:17 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 23, 2022, 10:33:37 AM
It would shock the hell out of me.  Texas stands to have all three of its traditional rivals back on the schedule regularly.  Why would the Horns go elsewhere?

This sounds like wishful aggie thinking.
I would also be shocked, but I'm just a little bit hopeful
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