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Topic: Lincoln Riley to USC

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utee94

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2022, 11:23:43 AM »
In true B12 message board fashion, we now have realignment talk on the Lincoln Riley hate-thread, and the realignment thread is discussing BBQ and steak.

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2022, 11:25:26 AM »
just a few Backporchers can have the same affect on the Big Ten board

they're not even complaining about it too much anymore
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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2022, 11:31:58 AM »
just a few Backporchers can have the same affect on the Big Ten board

they're not even complaining about it too much anymore
I am respectful and stay off the B1G threads about who's the 8th-best interior d-lineman from 1982 and such.  

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #59 on: July 23, 2022, 12:03:32 PM »
not sure what your point is

nobody said aggie was the first to leave the Big 12

the previous post was the crap that was said after leaving
Mud slinging went both ways.  Lots of mud was slung back at A&M.  Many people, not just aggies, believe that cow was behind the demise of the original Big 12.  

I'm of the opinion that A&M was always destined for the SEC, and the Big 12 was simply a pitstop while political forces shifted and A&M outgrew any opposition.  Mind you, I was always a fan of the Big 12, I literally grew into CFB while we were in the Big 12's formative years.  But the SEC was always our destination.  And now it's yours too.  We just realized it sooner.  

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2022, 12:09:35 PM »
It would shock the hell out of me.  Texas stands to have all three of its traditional rivals back on the schedule regularly.  Why would the Horns go elsewhere?

This sounds like wishful aggie thinking.
Maybe just fanciful thinking on my part.  I think both teams would be better served being in different conferences.  

What are the 3 rivals?  OU, A&M, and Ark?  Is Ark still really a traditional rival?  Afterall, it's been 30+ years since Ark left the SWC, and I'd like to see what most younger fans think about them being a rival.  

I really like what Jimbo said at the SEC meetings about being permanent rivals with LSU and Texas and Miss State.  I have no desire to rehash the Big 12 and get in a pod or alignment with Texas, OU, and Missouri.  There has even been talk that LSU will remain the last game of the season, possibly making Texas an early rival game.  I'm not opposed.  

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2022, 12:16:59 PM »
For anyone over 45, yeah, Arkansas is a traditional rival.  Young people don't know squat, and don't decide anything.  The kids enrolling at UT today, were 5 or 6 years old the last time A&M and Texas played. Do they view TAMU as a rival?  Who knows?  More importantly, who cares?  They're not making the decisions.  The people with money are, and they're all old like me.

And I'm sure you think A&M is better off with Texas in a different, landlocked, economically dying conference, with no hope of ever keeping up financially with the SEC and B1G.  No duh.  Clearly that's not an ideal situation for Texas, which is why the situation is now changing.

And I, too, don't think we need to lock in on specific pods, but rather 3-4 set annual games, that are protected, but aren't the same for all teams involved.  So if you like, the ags can play LSU,Texas, and MSU, while Texas plays A&M, Arkansas, and Oklahoma, and the Sooners can play Texas, and maybe Arkansas, and Missouri?  Not sure who they'd pick as their 2 and 3 but there's no need for it to be TAMU if neither school values that as an annual game.

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2022, 12:51:39 PM »
Money won’t ever be an issue for Texas. I’m not sure that the money the athletic dept receives is even as important now that NIL is here. 

I’m not clear, are you referring to the B1G as dying and land locked?  Clearly the SEC is tops, but the B1G has a bright future. 

Because if you’re referring to the Big 12 as dying I’m puzzled why Texas chose to stay for 10 plus years when it was evident it was dying over ten years ago. Texas always could have went to the SEC, obviously A&M couldn’t block it then and can’t stop it now. Maybe in a world where Texas did not tank for a decade the Big 12 would have been in better shape but even then would the Big 12 survive as this hodgepodge of a conference. 

The funny thing is that by most accounts CU is looking to get back in, and so may UofA and ASU. it will really be a hodgepodge then with Cincinnati, WV, Tcu, UH. 

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #63 on: July 23, 2022, 01:00:15 PM »
Yes I'm saying the B12 is dying.  I wasn't referring to the B1G at all.

And the B12 is not necessarily completely dying, but vis a vis the the B1G and SEC, there's no way it can keep up financially.  And regradless of donor money or NIL, the Texas athletics budget might be able to tolerate a deficit of $10M or so compared to the B1G and SEC, which is about what it has been in recent years.  But in a couple more years when the SEC and B1G renew their TV contracts, that deficit was going to jump to $50M/year or more.  And that kind of deficit just doesn't allow Texas to remain competitive against schools competing in the same geographic region, such as your very own ags.  So as long as the B12 and the LHN money could keep Texas even or only slightly behind the SEC and the B1G, then Texas preferred to stay home in the B12.  But in a couple of years, the disparity will be so great, that Texas just couldn't continue.

The PAC is in even worse economic shape than the B12, so it makes sense for Colorado to look to move back.

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #64 on: July 23, 2022, 01:16:38 PM »
At the time of our Big 12 departure A&M was in the midst of some very lean years, not unlike what UT is experiencing now. We had been changing coaches, had some close but no cigar type seasons, and generally speaking we were adrift. OU and Texas both had dominated the Big 12, playing in multiple BCS championship games, winning the conference 9/10 years, and generally speaking just kicking mostly everybody’s butt.

When it first came up in 2009 or 2010 that A&M was considering leaving it was laughed about by a lot of Texas boosters including DeLoss Dodds. There is even a quote about us not having any media market from him except for “ a sliver of East Texas”. In or about this same time Texas Explored going to the PAC. It was reported that they let A&M know that they would take care of us poor Aggies.

When A&M decided to leave, it did so on our own grounds and our own strength. I think most Texas people were shocked that we did not need them or any other help to get into the SEC. Mud was slung, from us and to us. The press loved it. Still loves it. It’s the nature of public breakups. 

I think we were ahead of the game, and being in the sec has tremendously benefitted our program. It’s almost kind of weird that it’s almost a given that A&M would have won the Big 12 in 2012 if we had stayed. And we came damn close to winning the SECW that year as well. But  we have mostly been a strong, if not great SEC program, much more so than our Big 12 days.

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2022, 01:22:26 PM »
The move has been good for A&M.  I don't begrudge y'all any of that.

All of the shit-talking A&M fans AND administrators did on the way out, including and especially your stupid-ass assertion above that Texas somehow "ended the original B12" is precisely what Texas fans have a problem with, and precisely why we call you and yours out for being whiney little crybabies any time you repeat those tired lies.

If you did it solely for A&M and entirely on your own, great.  But your insistence even a decade later, that Texas somehow caused it, belies your statements that it was all about A&M.  If it really was a 100-year decision for the good of the ags, then why on earth do you and yours keep on bringing up Texas when the topic comes up?

Just stop talking about Texas.  Be proud of the move,  It's served you well.  And for sure, even make fun of Texas for "following you"-- that's standard and appropriate fare for rivalry smack-talk.  I think it's funny.  I can take the digs.

But the bullshit about Texas causing the demise of the original B12, is nothing but lies and propaganda made up by YOUR school and Nebraska, in order to deflect the heat caused by your own departures, and I'm going to call it out as stupid bullshit repeated by morons with zero critical thinking skills, every single time I see or hear the lies repeated.

Every.  Single.  Fucking.  Time.
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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2022, 01:40:54 PM »
I'll add that I think it's been good for both schools and fan bases to have a cooling off period over the past decade, as well.  No matter how it happened, even if no words had been spoken at all by the TAMU administration on the way out, there were going to be hard feelings. 

I've always been in favor of playing the game annually again, because the regional rivalries are what I value most about college football.  But I understand that the war of words left a lot of open wounds, and those no doubt needed time to heal.

I'll be glad to play A&M annually in the SEC and I hope it works out that way.  It's good for the state of Texas and it's good for college football, IMO.

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2022, 02:29:27 PM »
until then guess what


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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2022, 09:40:31 PM »

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Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
« Reply #69 on: July 23, 2022, 09:53:17 PM »
dont worry aggie when your Daddy joins the sec all will be right in the universe and you will once again be looking up at the Horns

maybe the Big will take you
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