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Title: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on November 28, 2021, 05:07:17 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lincoln-riley-oklahoma-usc-reports
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: MrNubbz on November 28, 2021, 05:46:14 PM
Fickell to Norman
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on November 28, 2021, 05:51:08 PM
Hearing rumors of OU chasing Kilff Kingsbury.  Seems odd.  Kingsbury seems to have found a great spot.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on November 28, 2021, 06:34:54 PM
Makes no sense

Money made that decision
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on November 28, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
He didn't want to go to the SEC--has been opposed to it from the start.

That's from pretty good sources.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on November 28, 2021, 07:08:04 PM
And some things that haven't made sense to me all year start to add up.

This year's team has for the most part looked like less than the sum of its parts.  The opposite of the old Scipio Tex quote about Bob Stoops winning the Big 12 with a band-aid and a Paul Thompson bobble-head doll.

Maybe Lincoln's been overwhelmed wearing 3 hats--HFC, OC, and QB coach.  I've argued for a couple of years that he wasn't taking care of other elements of the program, like the defense and special teams, like team chemistry, like dealing with miscreants and knuckleheads.  Maybe defenses have adjusted to Lincoln's incredibly brilliant play-calling faster than he's adjusted to their adjustments.

So, maybe on top of all that, Lincoln hasn't really been into OU football this year.  Especially not since Clay Helton got fired at USC last--IRRC--September.

After two weeks on semi-denial answers on the LSU rumors, he finally told the media last night that he was "not going to be the next coach at LSU--next question?"

Nope.  Not gonna be the next coach at LSU.  Didn't say anything about USC though.

I think we'll take some hits in recruiting before whoever the next head coach is going to be shows up and gets to work, but I think we'll be OK.

Bob Stoops is going to be the interim HFC for the bowl game.  Heck, I wouldn't mind if he came back for a year or two.  He's sitting at 190 wins right now.  It would be cool to see him reach 200.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2021, 07:39:41 PM
git yerself a nice beach house, make the wife and family happy, grab a huge contract with a huge buyout clause

what could go wrong???

nothing as bad as getting your head kicked in the SEC SEC SEC
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on November 28, 2021, 07:42:17 PM
Having Bob Stoops in the wings is a comfort and keeps OU from doing a panic hire.  I just fear OU getting into a cycle like rivals Texas & Nebraska.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on November 28, 2021, 07:47:30 PM
Just realized it Stoops could be coaching against Mike Leach in the SEC again, just like the '90's.  And against his old QB/OC Heupel.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on November 28, 2021, 07:52:44 PM
It would be fun to see him beat both their asses.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2021, 07:55:40 PM
Stoops would make Stupid money if that's the case

of course, any P5 coaches will be making Stupid money next season
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on November 28, 2021, 09:07:41 PM
It will be Stoops. Book it. He’s young enough. Still got the fire. Still got something to prove. I’m betting he’s the one that told the admin he wanted back which set the whole thing in motion. 
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on November 28, 2021, 09:11:13 PM
apparently, giving Frost one more year in Lincoln triggered Stoops to OU

we all know Stoops wanted to coach the Huskers next season, against the Sooners
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on November 28, 2021, 10:43:39 PM
It will be Stoops. Book it. He’s young enough. Still got the fire. Still got something to prove. I’m betting he’s the one that told the admin he wanted back which set the whole thing in motion.
I don't think so.
I think he might have the itch, but not the fire.
But it makes a good story!
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on November 29, 2021, 09:25:08 AM
Recruiting took a brutal hit with Riley leaving.  
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2021, 12:33:10 PM
Well this definitely took me by surprise.

Bringing in Stoops to coach the bowl game is a very smart move, and if the Sooners don't know what direction they want to go, then I could definitely see them asking Stoops to stay for next season, too, to stabilize the program and hold together the recruiting as much as possible.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 29, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
I'm hoping and praying that this causes some OL (either recruits or players) to fall Texas' way. With 2 weeks before early signing day, this really sets the table for Texas to plug a ridiculous need.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on November 29, 2021, 01:51:18 PM
I'm hoping and praying that this causes some OL (either recruits or players) to fall Texas' way. With 2 weeks before early signing day, this really sets the table for Texas to plug a ridiculous need.
From your mouth to Sark's ears.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on November 30, 2021, 10:39:44 AM
There's a lot of smoke about Brent Venables returning to Norman.  Of course, there was a lot of smoke about Lincoln Riley going to Baton Rouge, and we know how that turned out.

If Brent is the guy, I would feel like it was a home run hire.

He would need to get a great OC, though.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2021, 10:59:03 AM
Kirby Smart to OU
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2021, 11:09:32 AM
Mark Stoops to OU, bringing back Brother Mike as DC
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on November 30, 2021, 01:15:21 PM
Butter me a biscuit and pour the coffee ...
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on November 30, 2021, 03:12:01 PM
There's a lot of smoke about Brent Venables returning to Norman.  Of course, there was a lot of smoke about Lincoln Riley going to Baton Rouge, and we know how that turned out.

If Brent is the guy, I would feel like it was a home run hire.

He would need to get a great OC, though.
Of all the rumors I've heard, I like the HC Venables with Jeff Lebby as OC one the best.  Might as well dream big.  Still need OL & strength coaches.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on November 30, 2021, 04:03:32 PM
Venables has been a HC target many many times in the past ten seasons, seems to me he's smart enough to just coordinate a great defense and skip the drama

and with coordinator's salaries, who could blame him?
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Mr Tulip on November 30, 2021, 05:03:27 PM
I've been a volunteer assistant coach for the Texas Longhorns going on three decades now. I have the uncanny ability to watch a replay and tell you which players suck and what play they should have run. 

I believe I've earned my shot.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on November 30, 2021, 06:08:54 PM
Mark Stoops to OU, bringing back Brother Mike as DC
B-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on November 30, 2021, 06:13:38 PM
Of all the rumors I've heard, I like the HC Venables with Jeff Lebby as OC one the best.  Might as well dream big.  Still need OL & strength coaches.
I'm not on board with Lebby, despite him being an OU grad.
I still remember him being on the Art Briles Baylor staff and attending the OU-Tulsa game of 2015 as a the sideline guest of Tulsa's HFC Phillip Montgomery--who proudly proclaimed that Art Briles was like a 2nd father to him--dressed in Tulsa gear.  OU had him escorted out of the stadium
Seemed slimy at the time and it still does.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on November 30, 2021, 06:45:30 PM
OK, who would you like to see instead?  I don't know if Lincoln's garbage dumped on Garret Riley but I like what he was doing at SMU.  He had Tanner Mordecai outperforming OU's 5 star QB's.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on December 01, 2021, 08:00:32 AM
I don't know, Thumper.  A list of the best offensive coordinators in America I do not have.

I'd be leery of Garrett Riley just because of the family connection.

I'm on another board where one of the posters has known Lebby for a long time and says he is a great guy, that the incident I described was just a stupid, boneheaded mistake.  But the  Art Briles connection still bothers me.

Whomever we hire as HFC will probably have his own ideas about whom he wants to fill that position.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on December 03, 2021, 07:04:12 PM
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Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on December 04, 2021, 10:10:34 PM
:s_cool:
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on December 05, 2021, 12:05:56 AM
OU hired the Fonz?
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2021, 02:06:28 PM
so, Venebles might take the shot?
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on December 05, 2021, 05:31:45 PM
That's the official unofficial word.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on December 05, 2021, 06:42:11 PM
his defense was very good this season at Clemson

just wonder why he would take the leap now as opposed to any other season

possibly the money being waved around
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on December 05, 2021, 11:42:11 PM
It's official.

As to why now, maybe it's because he's got a warm spot in his heart for OU and OU never has offered him the job of HFC until now.

It was a happy scene at Max Westheimer Field (Norman's airport) tonight.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on December 06, 2021, 10:11:32 AM
He has had several HFC offers including Auburn earlier this year.  I was beginning to suspect he just preferred being a DC and it didn't hurt that he was the highest paid assistant in CFB.
I'm very optimistic for him but there are a lot of coaching slots to fill, starting with OC that are critical.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on December 06, 2021, 07:14:19 PM
He has had several HFC offers including Auburn earlier this year.  I was beginning to suspect he just preferred being a DC and it didn't hurt that he was the highest paid assistant in CFB.
I'm very optimistic for him but there are a lot of coaching slots to fill, starting with OC that are critical.
I'd like to see Joe (?) Brady (LSU 2019) as the OC, but I don't think it's going to be him.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on December 06, 2021, 09:04:21 PM
What Brady did at LSU was awesome.  I haven't heard why the Panthers let him go.  I would be happy to see him at OU but I think it is going to be Lebby.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Thumper on December 07, 2021, 07:30:07 PM
Lincoln Riley's 3".

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951202-oklahoma-senator-proposes-naming-desolate-highway-after-usc-hc-lincoln-riley
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 18, 2022, 01:56:33 PM
Muleshoe seems to be encountering trouble in Paradise.

Per Rivals (https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2023/all-teams/football), OU currently has the #11 recruiting class for 2023, but, out in talent-rich SoCal, with beaches, mountains, beautiful girls, plenty of weed, and plenty of NIL money, USC is at #21.

I don't think that the recruits he is signing will see him around if/when they graduate.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 18, 2022, 02:27:07 PM
I'm seeing USC in some preseason top ten rankings.:smiley_confused1:
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 18, 2022, 02:49:33 PM
I don't get that at all. Muleshoe inherited a program even more broken (4-8) than OU was (5-6) when Bob Stoops took over after the 1998 season.

Bob engineered a great turnaround, but the Sooners still only improved to 7-5 in 1999.

OU went 11-2 in 2021 and finished AP #10. The first 3-loss team was Ole Miss (10-3) at #11.

Is USC going to go from 4-8 to 11-2?  I can't see that.  It will be an amazing turnaround if Muleshoe gets the Trojans to 8-4.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 18, 2022, 02:53:33 PM
Maybe the Pac is that weak now?  Dunno, Utah and Oregon get ranked pretty high also.  And I think UCLA could possibly make 10-2.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 18, 2022, 03:15:06 PM
I forgot about this--probably the most overblown of all the predictions for USC--Pete Fiutak at College Football News has USC meeting Alabama in the Peach Bowl, a CFP semi-final game.

Too much of Dr. Muleshoe's Snake Oil Elixir has been passed around, I think.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 22, 2022, 06:55:27 PM
OU football still seeks first all-American of Lincoln Riley era
Berry Tramel
Oklahoman


CeeDee Lamb signed with OU football in February 2017. That autumn, Lamb was playing for the Sooners. Even caught six passes in the national semifinals against Georgia.

Lamb was a great player. And in 2019, Lamb was named first-team all-American.

No big deal, really. Great player at a great program. Lamb was the 39th Sooner of the 21st century to make first-team all-American; all but Rocky Calmus, Jeff Ferguson and J.T. Thatcher were recruited by Bob Stoops staffs.

Stoops retired in June 2017, Lincoln Riley immediately was named Stoops’ successor and the Sooners continued to roll. Great teams. Great games. Great players.

But now Riley is gone to Southern Cal, and OU still is waiting for one of the recruits from his classes to make first-team all-American.

That’s right. OU has not had a Riley-recruited all-American.

Tramel: Did Lincoln Riley find harder road in the Big Ten with USC than in SEC with OU? (https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/football/2022/07/02/usc-football-lincoln-riley-finds-harder-road-big-ten-than-sec-ou-sooners/7786146001/)

That’s Riley as head coach. Kyler Murray, who in 2018 quarterbacked as well as anyone ever has in crimson and cream, came to Norman in 2016, primarily because of Riley, who then was Stoops’ offensive coordinator. Murray won the 2018 Heisman Trophy and indeed made all-American.

So this is no knock on Riley’s status as a quarterback whisperer. Even down to Caleb Williams, who in January followed Riley to USC, Riley brought in elite quarterbacks.

But the rest of the roster hasn’t seemed to flourish as much, a point I made last week when only one Sooner, punter Michael Turk, showed up on the preseason all-Big 12 team.

It wasn’t so much the lack of heralded Sooners, it was the lack of Sooner candidates. No one stood in the gap as an overlooked all-Big 12 player.

And the gradual talent slide is apparent. None of Riley’s four recruiting classes as head coach – 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 – have produced a first-team all-American.

Lamb made all-American in 2019. The 2018 all-Americans were Murray, Marquise Brown and Ben Powers, all signed under the Stoops regime.

Not since 1996-99 has OU gone two straight seasons without a first-team all-American. The only Stoops years without a first-team all-American was 2005, 2012 and 2014.

Stoops seemed to rally whenever a talent deficiency arose. By 2008, OU had four first-team all-Americans – Sam Bradford, Duke Robinson, Jermaine Gresham and Gerald McCoy. By 2017, OU had four more – Baker Mayfield, Orlando Brown, Mark Andrews and Obo Okoronkwo.

But now, with Brent Venables taking over as head coach, the Sooners face a potential third straight season without a first-team all-American.

The talent slide has resulted in two straight seasons in which OU failed to finish atop the Big 12 standings. The Sooners beat Iowa State in the 2020 Big 12 Championship Game but didn’t so much as make the Big 12 title game in 2021.

OU is headed for the Southeastern Conference sometime between now and 2025. The plan was to build up the program and be ready for the SEC rigors when the move took place. That’s still the plan.

But the Sooners suddenly are scrambling to keep pace in the Big 12, much less the SEC.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 22, 2022, 06:57:26 PM
Man y'all sure love to hate on Lincoln Riley.  No fury like a football fanbase scorned I guess.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 22, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
It's not the leaving as much as it is the way he left, as well as the lies he continues to tell about his leaving.

We'll see how he does at USC. If he's the great success that Colin Cowherd and Pete Fiutak think he's going to be, and if Brent Venables turns out to be in over his head as HFC, then maybe we'll wake up and wish we had kept him.  But right now, 99 and 44/100ths percent of Sooner fans feel like we got an upgrade.

As I was pointing out long before he left (albeit maybe not on this board), he was getting a little-less-great results with each passing year. I wasn't calling for him to be fired, but I feared that there was not going to be a turnaround any time soon.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 22, 2022, 07:23:16 PM
It's not the leaving as much as it is the way he left, as well as the lies he continues to tell about his leaving.

Oh I get it, completely.  After watching Nebraska and A&M ditch the B12, and lying and bullshitting whilst running Texas through the mud the entire time, despite both schools aligning 100% and voting lock-step with Texas on every single major financial decision made in the history of the conference...

Yeah I get it.  You better believe I do.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 23, 2022, 08:13:33 AM
Oh I get it, completely.  After watching Nebraska and A&M ditch the B12, and lying and bullshitting whilst running Texas through the mud the entire time, despite both schools aligning 100% and voting lock-step with Texas on every single major financial decision made in the history of the conference...

Yeah I get it.  You better believe I do.
I'm missing the connection to Lincoln Riley's departure.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 23, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
Not the leaving but the way it happened.  I can understand anger about that kind of thing,
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 23, 2022, 10:20:17 AM
Hilarious. 

Let’s get it straight that A&M was not the first school that left the Big 12 and  Texas was trying to get us to go with them to the PAC-12. A&M and the SEC was always going to happen.  Had political forces not intervened in the 90’s it would have happened then. 

Texas always had the option of the SEC or Big 10. They wanted the PAC. It would not surprise me in the least if Texas canceled their SEC deal and swapped to the B1G. 
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 23, 2022, 10:31:20 AM
Hilarious.

Let’s get it straight that A&M was not the first school that left the Big 12 and  Texas was trying to get us to go with them to the PAC-12. A&M and the SEC was always going to happen.  Had political forces not intervened in the 90’s it would have happened then.

Texas always had the option of the SEC or Big 10. They wanted the PAC. It would not surprise me in the least if Texas canceled their SEC deal and swapped to the B1G.
not sure what your point is

nobody said aggie was the first to leave the Big 12

the previous post was the crap that was said after leaving
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 23, 2022, 10:33:37 AM
It would not surprise me in the least if Texas canceled their SEC deal and swapped to the B1G.
It would shock the hell out of me.  Texas stands to have all three of its traditional rivals back on the schedule regularly.  Why would the Horns go elsewhere? 

This sounds like wishful aggie thinking.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 23, 2022, 10:36:48 AM
silly aggie
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2022, 11:20:17 AM
It would shock the hell out of me.  Texas stands to have all three of its traditional rivals back on the schedule regularly.  Why would the Horns go elsewhere?

This sounds like wishful aggie thinking.
I would also be shocked, but I'm just a little bit hopeful
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 23, 2022, 11:23:43 AM
In true B12 message board fashion, we now have realignment talk on the Lincoln Riley hate-thread, and the realignment thread is discussing BBQ and steak.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2022, 11:25:26 AM
just a few Backporchers can have the same affect on the Big Ten board

they're not even complaining about it too much anymore
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 23, 2022, 11:31:58 AM
just a few Backporchers can have the same affect on the Big Ten board

they're not even complaining about it too much anymore
I am respectful and stay off the B1G threads about who's the 8th-best interior d-lineman from 1982 and such.  
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 23, 2022, 12:03:32 PM
not sure what your point is

nobody said aggie was the first to leave the Big 12

the previous post was the crap that was said after leaving
Mud slinging went both ways.  Lots of mud was slung back at A&M.  Many people, not just aggies, believe that cow was behind the demise of the original Big 12.  

I'm of the opinion that A&M was always destined for the SEC, and the Big 12 was simply a pitstop while political forces shifted and A&M outgrew any opposition.  Mind you, I was always a fan of the Big 12, I literally grew into CFB while we were in the Big 12's formative years.  But the SEC was always our destination.  And now it's yours too.  We just realized it sooner.  
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 23, 2022, 12:09:35 PM
It would shock the hell out of me.  Texas stands to have all three of its traditional rivals back on the schedule regularly.  Why would the Horns go elsewhere?

This sounds like wishful aggie thinking.
Maybe just fanciful thinking on my part.  I think both teams would be better served being in different conferences.  

What are the 3 rivals?  OU, A&M, and Ark?  Is Ark still really a traditional rival?  Afterall, it's been 30+ years since Ark left the SWC, and I'd like to see what most younger fans think about them being a rival.  

I really like what Jimbo said at the SEC meetings about being permanent rivals with LSU and Texas and Miss State.  I have no desire to rehash the Big 12 and get in a pod or alignment with Texas, OU, and Missouri.  There has even been talk that LSU will remain the last game of the season, possibly making Texas an early rival game.  I'm not opposed.  
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 23, 2022, 12:16:59 PM
For anyone over 45, yeah, Arkansas is a traditional rival.  Young people don't know squat, and don't decide anything.  The kids enrolling at UT today, were 5 or 6 years old the last time A&M and Texas played. Do they view TAMU as a rival?  Who knows?  More importantly, who cares?  They're not making the decisions.  The people with money are, and they're all old like me.

And I'm sure you think A&M is better off with Texas in a different, landlocked, economically dying conference, with no hope of ever keeping up financially with the SEC and B1G.  No duh.  Clearly that's not an ideal situation for Texas, which is why the situation is now changing.

And I, too, don't think we need to lock in on specific pods, but rather 3-4 set annual games, that are protected, but aren't the same for all teams involved.  So if you like, the ags can play LSU,Texas, and MSU, while Texas plays A&M, Arkansas, and Oklahoma, and the Sooners can play Texas, and maybe Arkansas, and Missouri?  Not sure who they'd pick as their 2 and 3 but there's no need for it to be TAMU if neither school values that as an annual game.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 23, 2022, 12:51:39 PM
Money won’t ever be an issue for Texas. I’m not sure that the money the athletic dept receives is even as important now that NIL is here. 

I’m not clear, are you referring to the B1G as dying and land locked?  Clearly the SEC is tops, but the B1G has a bright future. 

Because if you’re referring to the Big 12 as dying I’m puzzled why Texas chose to stay for 10 plus years when it was evident it was dying over ten years ago. Texas always could have went to the SEC, obviously A&M couldn’t block it then and can’t stop it now. Maybe in a world where Texas did not tank for a decade the Big 12 would have been in better shape but even then would the Big 12 survive as this hodgepodge of a conference. 

The funny thing is that by most accounts CU is looking to get back in, and so may UofA and ASU. it will really be a hodgepodge then with Cincinnati, WV, Tcu, UH. 
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 23, 2022, 01:00:15 PM
Yes I'm saying the B12 is dying.  I wasn't referring to the B1G at all.

And the B12 is not necessarily completely dying, but vis a vis the the B1G and SEC, there's no way it can keep up financially.  And regradless of donor money or NIL, the Texas athletics budget might be able to tolerate a deficit of $10M or so compared to the B1G and SEC, which is about what it has been in recent years.  But in a couple more years when the SEC and B1G renew their TV contracts, that deficit was going to jump to $50M/year or more.  And that kind of deficit just doesn't allow Texas to remain competitive against schools competing in the same geographic region, such as your very own ags.  So as long as the B12 and the LHN money could keep Texas even or only slightly behind the SEC and the B1G, then Texas preferred to stay home in the B12.  But in a couple of years, the disparity will be so great, that Texas just couldn't continue.

The PAC is in even worse economic shape than the B12, so it makes sense for Colorado to look to move back.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 23, 2022, 01:16:38 PM
At the time of our Big 12 departure A&M was in the midst of some very lean years, not unlike what UT is experiencing now. We had been changing coaches, had some close but no cigar type seasons, and generally speaking we were adrift. OU and Texas both had dominated the Big 12, playing in multiple BCS championship games, winning the conference 9/10 years, and generally speaking just kicking mostly everybody’s butt.

When it first came up in 2009 or 2010 that A&M was considering leaving it was laughed about by a lot of Texas boosters including DeLoss Dodds. There is even a quote about us not having any media market from him except for “ a sliver of East Texas”. In or about this same time Texas Explored going to the PAC. It was reported that they let A&M know that they would take care of us poor Aggies.

When A&M decided to leave, it did so on our own grounds and our own strength. I think most Texas people were shocked that we did not need them or any other help to get into the SEC. Mud was slung, from us and to us. The press loved it. Still loves it. It’s the nature of public breakups. 

I think we were ahead of the game, and being in the sec has tremendously benefitted our program. It’s almost kind of weird that it’s almost a given that A&M would have won the Big 12 in 2012 if we had stayed. And we came damn close to winning the SECW that year as well. But  we have mostly been a strong, if not great SEC program, much more so than our Big 12 days.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 23, 2022, 01:22:26 PM
The move has been good for A&M.  I don't begrudge y'all any of that.

All of the shit-talking A&M fans AND administrators did on the way out, including and especially your stupid-ass assertion above that Texas somehow "ended the original B12" is precisely what Texas fans have a problem with, and precisely why we call you and yours out for being whiney little crybabies any time you repeat those tired lies.

If you did it solely for A&M and entirely on your own, great.  But your insistence even a decade later, that Texas somehow caused it, belies your statements that it was all about A&M.  If it really was a 100-year decision for the good of the ags, then why on earth do you and yours keep on bringing up Texas when the topic comes up?

Just stop talking about Texas.  Be proud of the move,  It's served you well.  And for sure, even make fun of Texas for "following you"-- that's standard and appropriate fare for rivalry smack-talk.  I think it's funny.  I can take the digs.

But the bullshit about Texas causing the demise of the original B12, is nothing but lies and propaganda made up by YOUR school and Nebraska, in order to deflect the heat caused by your own departures, and I'm going to call it out as stupid bullshit repeated by morons with zero critical thinking skills, every single time I see or hear the lies repeated.

Every.  Single.  Fucking.  Time.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 23, 2022, 01:40:54 PM
I'll add that I think it's been good for both schools and fan bases to have a cooling off period over the past decade, as well.  No matter how it happened, even if no words had been spoken at all by the TAMU administration on the way out, there were going to be hard feelings. 

I've always been in favor of playing the game annually again, because the regional rivalries are what I value most about college football.  But I understand that the war of words left a lot of open wounds, and those no doubt needed time to heal.

I'll be glad to play A&M annually in the SEC and I hope it works out that way.  It's good for the state of Texas and it's good for college football, IMO.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 23, 2022, 02:29:27 PM
until then guess what


SCOREBOARD!!!
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 23, 2022, 09:40:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4fMPRMc.jpg)
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 23, 2022, 09:53:17 PM
dont worry aggie when your Daddy joins the sec all will be right in the universe and you will once again be looking up at the Horns

maybe the Big will take you
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 24, 2022, 07:49:47 AM
I am interested in how Riley fares out west, especially now that he's headed to the B1G (if he lasts that long).  I keep seeing various ten tops that include USC this year, and am dubious.  Maybe so, probably not.  I THINK there is a talent separation between the top three and the next group that is substantial, not to say upsets won't happen.

OSU-Bama would be a heckuva game I think, two gunslingers slinging.

CWS is down on Riley and I get why, it's not sour grapes I think.  More good riddance.  But most first year coaches need that year to adjust the program how they need it.  They can do pretty well the next year.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2022, 08:30:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/4fMPRMc.jpg)

There are folks on both sides that claim that the other isn't a rival.  I have no idea who those people are trying to fool.

Gonna be some fun games in the future!
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2022, 08:34:52 AM
I am interested in how Riley fares out west, especially now that he's headed to the B1G (if he lasts that long).  I keep seeing various ten tops that include USC this year, and am dubious.  Maybe so, probably not.  I THINK there is a talent separation between the top three and the next group that is substantial, not to say upsets won't happen.

OSU-Bama would be a heckuva game I think, two gunslingers slinging.

CWS is down on Riley and I get why, it's not sour grapes I think.  More good riddance.  But most first year coaches need that year to adjust the program how they need it.  They can do pretty well the next year.

I think Riley's a pretty good coach.  Not Bob Stoops good, but better than a whole lot of other college coaches out there.  But USC is fractured and troubled in a lot of different ways, much like Texas has been for the past decade.  It's going to take more than just good coaching to right that ship, it's going to take someone with CEO-type abilities as well, to manage the various factions and get everyone moving in the same direction.  At OU, Riley was handed a team in one of the smoothest transitions a coach could ever hope for.  His early tenure at USC will be almost exactly the opposite.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 24, 2022, 10:07:15 AM
There are folks on both sides that claim that the other isn't a rival.  I have no idea who those people are trying to fool.

Gonna be some fun games in the future!
Nope were not rivals at all

Just because each of us has the other schools name in their fight song means nothing
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2022, 11:14:09 AM
Nope were not rivals at all

Just because each of us has the other schools name in their fight song means nothing
This obvious non-rivalry might deserve its own thread.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 24, 2022, 11:20:55 AM
This obvious non-rivalry might deserve its own thread.
aggie will have to do that himself

I aint gonna set up no aggie thread

and by the way I have all the respect and admiration in the world for Texas A&M

my niece whom Im very close to and her husband both have a degree from there

my brother got his doctorate from there

its a very good institution but never the less theres always the fact that we have

scoreboard
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2022, 11:24:01 AM
Heck I'm married to an Aggie.   She's awesome.  
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 24, 2022, 11:35:03 AM
Heck I'm married to an Aggie.  She's awesome. 
I bet she likes Blue Bell
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2022, 11:36:52 AM
I bet she likes Blue Bell
She's the one that started buying the HEB brand stuff in the first place.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 24, 2022, 11:41:45 AM
She's the one that started buying the HEB brand stuff in the first place.
I knew an aggie had to be at the bottom of all this

BTW did you know that theres hardly any difference chemically between HFSC 50 which is what BB uses and regular sugar

at least thats according to all the articles Ive read

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2022, 11:44:10 AM
I'll stick with the good stuff, thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 24, 2022, 12:56:39 PM
Definitely looking for some payback.

I’d like to think A&M as a university and as an athletic dept have grown and learned since our last meeting. I’m not blind to the fact that being in the SEC will have strengthened Texas and remaining in the Big 12 has weakened them.

Looking forward to some payback. Wouldn’t it be grand if both A&M and UT could become perennial contenders in the SEC instead of Alabama and Georgia.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 24, 2022, 01:26:51 PM
Definitely looking for some payback.

I’d like to think A&M as a university and as an athletic dept have grown and learned since our last meeting. I’m not blind to the fact that being in the SEC will have strengthened Texas and remaining in the Big 12 has weakened them.

Looking forward to some payback. Wouldn’t it be grand if both A&M could become perennial contenders in the SEC instead of Alabama and Georgia.
Yes it would be grand
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2022, 01:48:51 PM
Cool.  I'm looking for some payback too.  Guess we're all looking for some payback.  Don't think it'll matter one bit, on the field.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2022, 07:56:47 AM
Payback is over rated.

Well, no it's not.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2022, 09:42:38 AM
Looking forward to some payback. Wouldn’t it be grand if both A&M could become perennial contenders in the SEC instead of Alabama and Georgia.
keep dreaming
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2022, 09:50:48 AM
Folks often think X and Y are on top and will be "forever", but we can look back 10-15 years and see that can't be expected.  I think we can expect Ohio State to be near the top for a long time, but other programs have drifted off, and some will drift back, and some unknowns will get good.  Remember Boise State?  FSU?  Miami?  Of course.

I don't know if we've ever had a time in the last 50 years when so many BBs were down - USC, Texas, Nebraska.  Bama has been on an impressive run obviously but that may wain in time post-S.  UGA will probably stay pretty good for a while.  Michigan may lapse into 9-4 ishness.  Clemson?  No idea really.  Probably can win in the ACC.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2022, 10:05:31 AM
Saban can't coach forever
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2022, 10:07:46 AM
You'd think.  But then again, what if he really IS Satan?
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 25, 2022, 10:10:53 AM
When we formed the Big 12 and had North and South divisions, the big promise was that no one would play both Nebraska and Colorado in the same season because, well, it'd be unfair to face both national contenders.

Things change.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2022, 10:28:17 AM
When we formed the Big 12 and had North and South divisions, the big promise was that no one would play both Nebraska and Colorado in the same season because, well, it'd be unfair to face both national contenders.

Things change.
Yup.  And Texas and OU were down, and A&M was the best team in the South, heading into that first B12 season.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2022, 11:37:11 AM
Saban can't coach forever
Nope, and it's a recruiting line for competing programs now, not as yet very effective.  I'm sure Smart's ten year contract has recruiting in mind.

The preseason top ten in 2032 could well look quite different than today's, duh.


2012 Final Football Polls | College Poll Archive

D (http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?seasonid=2012)espite the name, that is preseason, and the top six are ranked teams today, but then follows Stanford, South Carolina, Florida, and FSU.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2022, 11:41:12 AM
Stanford, South Carolina, Florida, and FSU.

different coaches for all
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 25, 2022, 01:37:29 PM
keep dreaming
Well, a fellas got to have hope if nothing else.  There was a time when it would make me laugh if you told me that Baylor was the top Big 12 team.  Them and oSu.  Now?  It just makes me cringe !  

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2022, 01:46:29 PM
hey, I keep dreaming too

and that's not even of the mid-90s

99-2001

or

1973-1993
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2022, 01:53:01 PM
Dream on.  Dream on.  Dream on, dream until your dreams come true.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2022, 01:59:16 PM
I'm experienced - became a Husker fan in 1981

dreamed until the dream came true in 1994
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2022, 02:29:37 PM
Yup, same here.  Lived through some lean years for Texas in the 80s and early 90s, but then the dream came true in 2005.

I can dream some more.  

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2022, 03:31:23 PM
I'd guess there are thirty programs with legitimate chances to win an NC in a decade.  Maybe twenty.  Maybe 7 end up doing it.

A very good team can hit a fantastic QB and win it.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2022, 09:11:16 AM
Definitely fewer than 30.  20 is probably also an exaggeration.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 09:27:26 AM
with Bama's run the past decade it hasn't been close to 20

the 4-team playoff doesn't help an underdog to snatch the cheese
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2022, 09:34:28 AM
Yeah, I'm talking about going forward, not the past.  I probably could name 20 programs with a ~>5% chance of winning an NC in a decade.

I'd include USC and Texas and anyone who seems to be able to recruit well.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 09:46:59 AM
I might narrow it to the top 12 recruiting programs in the next decade

It would help if it was spread out a bit more from the top 4 or 5

Bama, Georgia, A&M, Ohio St. seem to gobble up the majority of top recruits

A&M the newcomer, replacing Clemson
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2022, 09:50:08 AM
Florida LSU Bama UGA  Tenn  Texas OU  A&M

Clemson FSU Miami

Ohio State Michigan  USC  UCLA?  PSU  Iowa?  ND

Oregon  Utah?  UDubb?

Yeah, somewhere 12-20 if we account for some team out of the blue.


Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2022, 09:53:54 AM
I don't feel the need to account for "some team out of the blue" because it really just doesn't happen.
  
Over the next decade, I'd say:

Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oklahoma, USC... and I'll throw in Texas just for grins.

So 10-12 sound about right to me.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 10:00:35 AM
Florida LSU Bama UGA  Tenn  Texas OU

Clemson FSU Miami

Ohio State Michigan  USC  UCLA?  PSU  Iowa?  ND

Oregon  Utah?  UDubb?

Tenn, ND big stretch - out of the blue
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2022, 10:00:50 AM
I forgot A&M and added them, and almost had forgotten Notre Dame, who could do it.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 26, 2022, 10:28:15 AM
Tenn, ND big stretch - out of the blue
I wouldn't scratch Oregon.  The FDucks made it to the championship game after the 2014 season.
OTOH, their opportunities will be fewer if the Pac-12 declines to a non-power conference.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2022, 10:34:29 AM
I don't discount Oregon's ability to make it into the CFP, especially after it expands.

I just don't think they'll win the NC.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 11:20:23 AM
2014 was almost a decade ago

they haven't been recruiting at that level
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 26, 2022, 11:26:43 AM
I wouldnt include Texas until they do something to earn it
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 11:27:59 AM
they recruit well, but that's always been the case
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 26, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
2014 was almost a decade ago

they haven't been recruiting at that level
Yes, it is, and no, they haven't.
I wonder what happened.
To be clear, I don't like Oregon and I don't like Phil Knight. They reflect a lot of what I don't like about CFB these days.
And their loss in the 2014 (season) national championship game wasn't a close one.  42-24, IIRC.
But I think they've got as much of a chance as some other teams who have been named upthread.
Like Tennessee, for example, which has had 10 losing seasons in the last 20 years.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 26, 2022, 11:32:08 AM
I wouldnt include Texas until they do something to earn it
It takes a bold and clear-eyed man to say that about his own program, a top-10 all-time blueblood, 320.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2022, 11:35:48 AM
I look at established traditional programs able to recruit at a high level as programs with a >5% shot.  Maybe it's >2%, dunno, I'd say under 2% is Vandy.

I'd consider Auburn for example.  There are enough programs on the fringe of this to comprise a "field" that could win it.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 26, 2022, 12:22:25 PM
I look at established traditional programs able to recruit at a high level as programs with a >5% shot.  Maybe it's >2%, dunno, I'd say under 2% is Vandy.

I'd consider Auburn for example.  There are enough programs on the fringe of this to comprise a "field" that could win it.
well we at Texas are spending just as fast as we can to make that happen
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2022, 12:29:58 PM
I wouldnt include Texas until they do something to earn it
Nor would I, I just did it for grins. I'd need to see a pretty massive step-function improvement in player development and gameday coaching, before I'd ever even begin to believe that the Horns might have a shot.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2022, 12:58:35 PM
I think one way or the other, Texas will get back to being very good within a decade.  If the current coach doesn't do it, the next one has a shot if recruiting stays the same.

If their best season is say 8-5, their recruiting will likely start to ebb.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 01:06:02 PM
well we at Texas are spending just as fast as we can to make that happen
National Analysts Rip Jimbo Fisher, Aggies Recruiting


The Aggies struggles on the recruiting trails are not a surprise, per national pundits

The Texas A&M Aggies have struggled on the recruiting trail in the 2023 cycle, sitting with six total commitments, including a punter.

And while the talent they do have committed is solid, the momentum is nowhere near the same for Jimbo Fisher as it was in the 2022 class, when the Aggies finished with arguably the greatest recruiting class of all time.

In fact, after finishing with the nation's unanimous No. 1 class, the Aggies currently sit with the No. 35 class per On3, the No. 52 class by Rivals, and sit at No. 58 class per 247Sports.

They are unranked by ESPN.

And now national analysts are beginning to take notice, with Fox Sports' Brady Quinn, ripping the Aggies for their haul thus far.

"It’s a direct correlation to the microscope has been put on us," Quinn said on an episode of the Outkick The Coverage podcast." We can’t do what we did last year and our recruits look a little different right now. I haven’t seen that dramatic of a swing in recruiting ever. When Nick Saban comes out and basically says, ‘Yeah, dude, you bought that class.’ This justifies it."

However, Quinn wasn't the only analyst to rip the Aggies, with former Penn State star linebacker LaVar Arrington giving Alabama's Nick Saban the credit for the Aggies struggles.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 26, 2022, 01:10:09 PM
If you consider that, in order to win it, you have to be invited to the playoff, then the formula for Texas is to go undefeated in the Big 12 and try not to get destroyed by Bama on Sept 10.

The Big 12 made themselves look competitive last year. This year, it could be anything. The players that made oSu and ISU competent are gone. Likewise, Baylor is going to have to do something besides waste time and hold opponents to less than 20 points. These programs don't typically have an All-American waiting to be discovered.

In short, a moderately competent football program has a decent shot at winning the Big 12 - possibly undefeated before the CCG (why?). I'd argue that it wouldn't be hard to find 5 (or 8) other programs better than the Big 12 champ, but the fact remains that, by that point, a Texas or OU team with those credentials stands a chance of being promoted.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 26, 2022, 01:14:14 PM
National Analysts Rip Jimbo Fisher, Aggies Recruiting


The Aggies struggles on the recruiting trails are not a surprise, per national pundits

The Texas A&M Aggies have struggled on the recruiting trail in the 2023 cycle, sitting with six total commitments, including a punter.

And while the talent they do have committed is solid, the momentum is nowhere near the same for Jimbo Fisher as it was in the 2022 class, when the Aggies finished with arguably the greatest recruiting class of all time.

In fact, after finishing with the nation's unanimous No. 1 class, the Aggies currently sit with the No. 35 class per On3, the No. 52 class by Rivals, and sit at No. 58 class per 247Sports.

They are unranked by ESPN.

And now national analysts are beginning to take notice, with Fox Sports' Brady Quinn, ripping the Aggies for their haul thus far.

"It’s a direct correlation to the microscope has been put on us," Quinn said on an episode of the Outkick The Coverage podcast." We can’t do what we did last year and our recruits look a little different right now. I haven’t seen that dramatic of a swing in recruiting ever. When Nick Saban comes out and basically says, ‘Yeah, dude, you bought that class.’ This justifies it."

However, Quinn wasn't the only analyst to rip the Aggies, with former Penn State star linebacker LaVar Arrington giving Alabama's Nick Saban the credit for the Aggies struggles.


I implore you to read the TexAgs recruiting forum. They'll tell you exactly how (a) there's no reason to worry because Jimbo is an elite recruiter and has a ton of guys on standby to close strong (b) the Pool Party (tm) is coming at the end of July and errbody will commit then and there and (c) Texas is a bunch of cheating cheatersons who, according to this guy I work with who's "pretty high up in the NCAA", are being investigated and will be given the Death Penalty quickly.

Seriously, the whole thing's a conspiracy! They can prove it!
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 01:17:44 PM
Implore as you will, I'm not going there

I'll take your word for it, as I do most things you post
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2022, 01:24:23 PM
Reading TexAgs will rot your brain.  It is to be avoided at all costs.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2022, 01:27:51 PM
A 12-1 P5 conference champ will generally make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 01:55:11 PM
generally, but we're talkin bout the Big12 here
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2022, 02:12:13 PM
generally, but we're talkin bout the Big12 here
A 12-1 conference champ Texas or OU is pretty much a CFP lock.

Other B12 schools?  Maybe not.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 02:13:13 PM
there ya go - Baylor
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 26, 2022, 02:19:07 PM
OU has made the CFP four times, each time as Big 12 champ with one loss. Those are the only four times of the CFP era in which OU finished the regular season and CCG with only one loss.

I other words, if you're OU (or, presumably, UT) you'll probably make it into the CFP if you win the Big 12 championship with one loss.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 26, 2022, 02:19:47 PM
I implore you to read the TexAgs recruiting forum. They'll tell you exactly how (a) there's no reason to worry because Jimbo is an elite recruiter and has a ton of guys on standby to close strong (b) the Pool Party (tm) is coming at the end of July and errbody will commit then and there and (c) Texas is a bunch of cheating cheatersons who, according to this guy I work with who's "pretty high up in the NCAA", are being investigated and will be given the Death Penalty quickly.

Seriously, the whole thing's a conspiracy! They can prove it!
A)  Click-bait
B)  Texags will rot your brain.  
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 26, 2022, 02:21:54 PM
And it's nice to have a high ranking WRT recruiting than a low one, but it doesn't guarantee success.  Especially with the portal in full effect, and maybe more so when they eliminate the one transfer limit.  

I think a lot of recruits want to see how the season shakes out before they are fully commmited anyways, and lots will change now between now and December.  
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 26, 2022, 02:37:09 PM
there ya go - Baylor
In 2014, both Baylor and TCU were left out as 11-1 Big 12 co-champs (back when the Big 12's slogan was "One True Champion").
The only other time a 1-loss P5 conference champ was not selected was in 2018, when 12-1 Ohio State (CFP #6) was left out. 12-1 OU was #4 and 11-2 non-champ Georgia was #5.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 26, 2022, 04:12:57 PM
And it's nice to have a high ranking WRT recruiting than a low one, but it doesn't guarantee success.  Especially with the portal in full effect, and maybe more so when they eliminate the one transfer limit. 

I think a lot of recruits want to see how the season shakes out before they are fully commmited anyways, and lots will change now between now and December. 
Yeah. I try not to get overly invested on where 16-17 year old kids decide to play a sport. I know Texas is a pratfall away from seeing them all head someplace else. I think, right now, the players and coaches are painting a picture of a player-led program with a healthy culture.
The wins gotta show up, though.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 26, 2022, 04:17:45 PM
getting a 5 star QB seems to help recruiting
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2022, 04:35:22 PM
Like Gigem said, getting highly ranked recruits is better than not.

But then, it's what you do with them.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 04:56:25 PM
Arch Manning has long been regarded as the consensus No. 1 prospect for the class of 2023. A 5-star QB, son of Cooper Manning and nephew of NFL greats Peyton and Eli, Arch recently committed to Texas at the end of June.

However, another prospect – and one that could be seen in the B1G in a few seasons – has overtaken Manning in one publication. ESPN recently dropped Manning to No. 2 on its list of prospects behind QB Malachi Nelson out of Los Alamitos, California. Nelson is committed to USC who is set to begin play in the B1G during the fall of 2024.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 26, 2022, 05:01:53 PM
Arch Manning has long been regarded as the consensus No. 1 prospect for the class of 2023. A 5-star QB, son of Cooper Manning and nephew of NFL greats Peyton and Eli, Arch recently committed to Texas at the end of June.

However, another prospect – and one that could be seen in the B1G in a few seasons – has overtaken Manning in one publication. ESPN recently dropped Manning to No. 2 on its list of prospects behind QB Malachi Nelson out of Los Alamitos, California. Nelson is committed to USC who is set to begin play in the B1G during the fall of 2024.

yep I saw this coming

Manning aint shit

but we'll try to limp along in spite of this
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 05:07:42 PM
I figured Saban and Bama signed a QB, but it was ol muleshoe
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 26, 2022, 05:16:22 PM
I figured Saban and Bama signed a QB, but it was ol muleshoe
yep its gonna you guys problem in the years to come
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2022, 05:19:02 PM
yup, bringing those soft cali boys onto the frozen tundra in November is gonna be trouble
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 26, 2022, 07:34:18 PM
As good as Texas was in the mid-2000’s it took a really special player to get them over the top. As good as OU has been in the last 20 years they have only won it once. Close a few times. 

Clemson and LSU have not been traditional football powers over the last 50 years. Despite that they have had more individual success than either the two blue bloods of Texas and OU. Or Michigan, Nebraska, UTenn, pretty much everybody else except maybe Alabama. And Ohio St. 

LSU is probably right at the cusp of blue blood status, assuming the top ten aren’t set in stone. I think the chances of a #10-20 type program winning the whole thing is just as good as about 7 out of the top 10. 

I often wonder if the old guard of Nebraska, Norte Dame, UTenn, and a few others maybe it’s just over for them. If the special set of circumstances that allowed them to thrive will also deny them to evolve. 

I couldn’t tell you exactly what those circumstances are, but it appears that being in a populated southern state is one of the new ones, which maybe does it for Nebraska and ND. It seems that winning big in the past may not be enough for these programs. Now it’s more about resources, location, media, alumni.  


Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 27, 2022, 01:42:42 AM
Muleshoe supposedly thought that Malachi Nelson was better than Arch Manning. That might have been cover for "we don't think we can get Arch Manning." Or not.

Anyway, Nelson was an OU commit until Muleshoe departed, then he decommitted and soon committed to USC.

I don't know how well Sark and staff are at developing QBs, but I don't think Muleshoe is great at it. As offensive coordinator, he put good QBs in position to do the best with what they had, but they didn't actually progress while under his tutelage at OU.

So, I think he's not special as a QB coach and not special as an HFC. I think his strongest calling is OC.

I think that about Mike Leach too, and there's the obvious connection between the two of them.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 28, 2022, 01:43:06 PM
Wait, is Muleshoe your name for Riley?

Why is that, again?
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
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Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 28, 2022, 02:14:59 PM
Wait, is Muleshoe your name for Riley?

Why is that, again?
Are you just catching that?

He's from Muleshoe, Texas.

It's not a perfect comparison by any means, but his rise from obscurity in Muleshoe to celebrity in Los Angeles reminds me of "Lonesome" Rhodes in A Face in the Crowd.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 28, 2022, 02:28:26 PM
Yeah I thought you were talking about some recruit or something.  It didn't make much sense to me but I don't follow Lincoln Riley and his exploits very closely.

So is your current coach, then, referred to as Salina?
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 28, 2022, 02:34:12 PM
We can call Kirby Paul Smart "Montgomery" now.

I didn't know his middle name.

Stetson Bennett IV was born in Atlanta but did HS in Blackshear, which sounds a lot cooler I think.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2022, 12:18:02 AM
Yeah I thought you were talking about some recruit or something.  It didn't make much sense to me but I don't follow Lincoln Riley and his exploits very closely.

So is your current coach, then, referred to as Salina?
No, because he hasn't turned out to be a turd.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2022, 12:21:11 AM
Speaking of USC, look where they are on this list.

(https://cdn.buttercms.com/0DpWPUCxSdWLTdp834Hz)

I guess they haven't heard about the Song Girls.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 29, 2022, 09:30:07 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/5X3WkCG.png)
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 29, 2022, 09:44:58 AM
Well, that's MY concentration shot for today...
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 29, 2022, 09:47:32 AM
Speaking of first year coaches, which one has the most interesting season for you?  Riley?  Kelly?  Napier?  Notre Dame?  

I probably missed a few.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 29, 2022, 10:06:16 AM
Well since it impacts my team directly, I'm most interested in what Salina does at OU.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 29, 2022, 10:07:33 AM
I was thinking aside from how it impacts my team (otherwise it would be Napier of course).  I'd say either LSU or USC, both are interesting I think.  Both could be busts.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 29, 2022, 10:08:43 AM
Outside of my direct world?  

Sure, USC, Notre Dame, and LSU are all very interesting.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2022, 10:32:09 AM
I'm interested in anyone named Muleshoe

especially if there might be a Song Girl in the background or foreground 
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2022, 10:33:27 AM
Speaking of first year coaches, which one has the most interesting season for you?  Riley?  Kelly?  Napier?  Notre Dame? 

I probably missed a few.
Brian Kelly at LSU.  That is the oddest fit I can remember.  A Massachusetts Yankee cosplaying a Cajun.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2022, 10:40:13 AM
Sources: USC commit Malachi Nelson, No. 1 recruit in 2023, to visit Texas A&M

Just a few days after overtaking Arch Manning for the top spot in ESPN's 2023 player recruiting rankings, five-star USC commit Malachi Nelson is taking a visit to Texas A&M this weekend, sources confirmed to ESPN on Thursday night.

Nelson, a 6-foot-3 quarterback out of Los Alamitos High School in Los Alamitos, California, did inform USC head coach Lincoln Riley and the program that he would be visiting College Station, Texas, sources said. Under head coach Jimbo Fisher, the Aggies put together the top recruiting class in 2022.

Nelson flipped his commitment from Oklahoma to USC in November after the Trojans hired Riley away from the Sooners to be USC's next head coach. The coaching move had a ripple effect that prompted multiple decommitments from Oklahoma, including Nelson, who immediately committed to Riley and USC.

As a source close to Nelson described the move soon after it happened, Nelson was committed to Riley more than he was committed to Oklahoma, which made the flip more or less a formality.

Despite what seems to be a surprise visit to Texas A&M this week, Nelson remains officially committed to the Trojans and Riley.

Should it remain that way, Nelson will headline Riley's first full recruiting class next year and arrive on campus as the likely quarterback of the future for the Trojans.

Nelson's visit was first reported by TexAgs.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2022, 10:42:11 AM
I hope the kid flips to A&M
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2022, 10:43:05 AM
It would be interesting.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2022, 10:44:49 AM
I don't need Muleshoe coming to the Big Ten West with a hotshot QB
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 29, 2022, 10:46:39 AM
He's been committed to Riley for over a year now, I think.  That would be a really big flip, if it happens.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 29, 2022, 11:12:01 AM
He's been committed to Riley for over a year now, I think.  That would be a really big flip, if it happens.
Makes one wonder why hes doing this

is it a negotiation ploy concerning NIL

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 29, 2022, 11:33:20 AM
No coach is going to say, "Sorry. You can't come to our recruiting party if you're already committed elsewhere," to him. The Ags know full well there's zero chance of him flipping, but if he wants to come to the event, you let him in.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2022, 11:39:37 AM
maybe better than zero, but not much
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 29, 2022, 11:57:10 AM
The old Tech coach would rescind your offer if you did this.  Of course, he lost a lot of games too and left.



Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2022, 12:02:12 PM
As I understand it, Venables doesn't want a commitment until the kid is through making visits. He wants the kid to be sure. And if you're sure, you don't keep taking visits.

That philosophy is a change from the Muleshoe days.

Malachi Nelson is a loss to OU, wherever he ends up. But it would be interesting, especially considering that he and Arch are #1 and #2 (in some order), if he ended up at A&M.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 29, 2022, 12:04:03 PM
As I understand it, Venables doesn't want a commitment until the kid is through making visits. He wants the kid to be sure. And if you're sure, you don't keep taking visits.

That philosophy is a change from the Muleshoe days.

Malachi Nelson is a loss to OU, wherever he ends up. But it would be interesting, especially considering that he and Arch are #1 and #2 (in some order), if he ended up at A&M.


Yup it would make for some fun showdowns in a few years.

I'm not so sure Malachi is a 0% chance to flip.  Nobody goes to College Station just for fun.  This is a business trip.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2022, 12:12:22 PM
Yup it would make for some fun showdowns in a few years.

I'm not so sure Malachi is a 0% chance to flip.  Nobody goes to College Station just for fun.  This is a business trip.
I agree.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 29, 2022, 01:28:12 PM
Awesome. 
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: utee94 on July 29, 2022, 05:17:15 PM
Awesome.
You smug bastage. ;)

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 29, 2022, 05:43:29 PM
I probably stated this somewhere but I really don’t follow recruiting that much. A&M has consistently signed top ten and 20 classes the entire 5ime I’ve been a fan and sometimes they pan out and sometimes they don’t. Obviously id rather sign top classes than unranked but I don’t dwell on it too much. 

Besides, the fishing has been on fire and we’re catching double limits of redfish with trout and flounder thrown in. Life is good 😁
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 29, 2022, 05:50:49 PM
I probably stated this somewhere but I really don’t follow recruiting that much. A&M has consistently signed top ten and 20 classes the entire 5ime I’ve been a fan and sometimes they pan out and sometimes they don’t. Obviously id rather sign top classes than unranked but I don’t dwell on it too much.

Besides, the fishing has been on fire and we’re catching double limits of redfish with trout and flounder thrown in. Life is good 😁
where
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2022, 05:52:59 PM
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Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 30, 2022, 12:19:48 AM
where
In the water!  
are you a fisherman ?
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 30, 2022, 12:56:21 AM
In the water! 
are you a fisherman ?
raised in Galveston
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Gigem on July 30, 2022, 09:27:18 AM
We’ve been fishing shallow lakes off the ICW around Freeport. By shallow I mean about a foot of depth in places, some times less. There are places I have to run on plane to get into and if I stop in the wrong place I’m sitting firmly on bottom. My boat will float about 6-8” of draft and run in spit lol. 
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on July 30, 2022, 09:40:29 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/znC_32J0mMM/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 30, 2022, 09:52:32 AM
We’ve been fishing shallow lakes off the ICW around Freeport. By shallow I mean about a foot of depth in places, some times less. There are places I have to run on plane to get into and if I stop in the wrong place I’m sitting firmly on bottom. My boat will float about 6-8” of draft and run in spit lol.
Ive caught a lot of big fish in knee deep water so I can identify with you
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 30, 2022, 10:36:55 AM
Which first year coach will be the first fired?
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 30, 2022, 01:28:56 PM
Which first year coach will be the first fired?
So, we've got:
- Muleshoe (USC)
- Brent Venables (OU)
- Marcus Freeman (ND)
- Brian Kelly (LSU)
- Mario Cristobal (Da U)
- Billy Napier (UF)
- Dan Lanning (UO)
- Sonny Dykes (TCU)
- Brent Prye (VPI)
- Tony Elliott (UVa)

I'm going to make a WAG that it's Brian Kelly. He's an odd fit in Baton Rouge, and the PTBs there have had a relatively quick trigger since Saban left.
But I could make a case for Muleshoe. If he loses Malachi Nelson to ATM, it might start an exodus. Even before the news about Nelson's official visit to College Station, there were whisperings that all was not well in Paradise. However, I think Muleshoe would jump to some idiot-run NFL team like the Browns before things got bad enough to warrant a firing.
I think that Marcus Freeman might struggle, but I also think that Notre Dame will give him a lot of rope. They took a lot of heat for the quick-trigger firing of Tyrone Willingham compared to what it took to get Charlie Weis fired, and I don't think they want to repeat that experience.
I have virtually no knowledge of Prye and Elliott.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 30, 2022, 01:35:34 PM
I think Kelly also.  They probably have some 8-5/9-4 seasons there for the next four years which won't make fans happy.  Napier at Florida could be in a similar spot but I think he is more likely to turn things around a bit, Florida has had a bad culture issue with players for a while now I think.

ND, Miami, and Oregon don't seem to be places with quick triggers.  I guess Venables can keep OU well above water.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: longhorn320 on July 30, 2022, 02:31:21 PM
no one gets fired with only 1 year unless some other factor besides the W/L record is involved
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on July 30, 2022, 05:55:51 PM
no gets fired with only 1 year unless some other factor besides the W/L record is involved
0-12 might do it, but probably not.
Speaking of hot seats, surely Scott Frost must show significant progress this year if he wants to coach the Huskers in 2023.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on July 31, 2022, 08:31:48 AM
The question is not who gets fired after the first year, but who gets fired first, which likely would be 4-5-6 years out, except fot cause.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on August 01, 2022, 09:32:30 AM
0-12 might do it, but probably not.
Speaking of hot seats, surely Scott Frost must show significant progress this year if he wants to coach the Huskers in 2023.
gotta win at least 6 and go to a bowl or he's gone
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on August 01, 2022, 11:35:31 AM
gotta win at least 6 and go to a bowl or he's gone
Just as I thought that Charlie Strong would tear it up at Texas, I thought that Scott Frost would be a big-time success at Nebraska. When he was hired, what was there not to like?
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on August 01, 2022, 11:40:14 AM
This new coach thing seems to be a crap shoot to me.  You can easily do a Tennessee.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on August 01, 2022, 11:48:31 AM
This new coach thing seems to be a crap shoot to me.  You can easily do a Tennessee.
Yep.

What seem at the time to be great hires can turn out to look really stupid in 20-20 (or 50-50 if you're Cam Newton) hindsight.
Howard Schnellenberger and John Blake at OU, for example.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on August 01, 2022, 11:54:07 AM
I think it's been a long time since three Blue Bloods have been lagging to this degree, and it looks like it's coaching, to me.  Even Michigan was on the edge of that before last season I think.  UGA has been lucky, I think, Goff was not a good hire, then Donnan, who didn't do terribly but lost to rivals (who were up at the time) and then Richt who did pretty well but couldn't seal the deal.

Tennessee MAY be coming out of its slump, maybe, remains to be seen of course, their offense should be a problem for opponents this season.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on August 01, 2022, 12:16:02 PM
Jim Donnan was one of the OU fanbase's favorites as the miserable John Blake era in Norman was reaching its miserable end.

Bob Stoops was much less known.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on August 01, 2022, 12:39:18 PM
I thought Frost would be an 8-9 win per season coach similar to Pelini when hired

perhaps better

I think that could still pan out, but a 6 or 7 win season needs to happen now or he won't get the chance

Riley left a bigger mess than Billy C., but ya gotta be able to clean up a mess in 4 seasons
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on August 01, 2022, 12:45:08 PM
Donnan is probably a decent enough coach at the right place, he could perhaps survive nicely at Marshall et al., but not at a program wanting the NC.

Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on August 01, 2022, 04:36:16 PM
I thought Frost would be an 8-9 win per season coach similar to Pelini when hired

perhaps better

I think that could still pan out, but a 6 or 7 win season needs to happen now or he won't get the chance

Riley left a bigger mess than Billy C., but ya gotta be able to clean up a mess in 4 seasons
8-9-win seasons are well below the standards set by the Huskers of the '90s and early '00s.
But they would stop the bleeding and provide a reason to hope for better.
Nebraska seems to have never been the same since taking 2 bad losses to end the 2001 season.
You've said it before, and I agree . . . firing Frank Solich was a mistake.
If the Husker PTBs had had that quick a trigger in the '60s and '70s, Devaney and Osborne wouldn't have lasted long enough to win their NCs.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on August 01, 2022, 04:54:35 PM
8-9-win seasons are well below the standards set by the Huskers of the '90s and early '00s.
But they would stop the bleeding and provide a reason to hope for better.
Nebraska seems to have never been the same since taking 2 bad losses to end the 2001 season.
You've said it before, and I agree . . . firing Frank Solich was a mistake.
If the Husker PTBs had had that quick a trigger in the '60s and '70s, Devaney and Osborne wouldn't have lasted long enough to win their NCs.
9 win seasons was Osborne's low bar for his career
the mid 90's might not be attainable again
I'd settle for the 70's & 80's.  9-11 wins, a conference championship once in a while, and a long shot for a national title

Frank was probably going to be fired at some point, but it shouldn't have been the season that the team won 10 games and Billy C. was your best choice at a replacement
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: CWSooner on August 01, 2022, 05:24:16 PM
Bill Callahan was a disastrous hire.  Really, an embarrassment.

But Mike Riley was even worse.
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: FearlessF on August 01, 2022, 05:28:15 PM
agreed
Title: Re: Lincoln Riley to USC
Post by: Cincydawg on August 02, 2022, 09:28:02 AM
Yup, as noted, you fire a guy who averages 9 wins a season and things CAN get much worse ...