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ELA

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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2021, 12:29:15 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 05, 2021, 11:50:14 PM
Yeah, that's just from having an overall great defense and a NC-to-be team making opponents play catch-up.  And running on them wasn't fun, either.
Is Gerod Holliman's 14 INTs in 2014 a sneaky choice for unbreakable record?
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2021, 01:32:42 AM »
With all the passing now (albeit much more efficient), some safety on a team playing 13-15 games has got to reach that sometime.

Or, hell, the first CB who can read a back-shoulder throw will have 20, lol.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2021, 01:45:15 AM »
Quote from: ELA on January 05, 2021, 11:35:04 PM
Which makes it even crazier that Woodson had 7 during his Heisman year
He was just in another league than those guys. Springs and Winfield were great players in college and in the NFL. 

Woodson is in the convo with Deion, Rod Woodson, Ed Reed, and Ronnie Lott as greatest DB ever. Not saying he’s the best- but he’s certainly in that conversation.  

Woodson is arguably the greatest college DB ever. And he went on to be in that same conversation on Sunday’s. 

Woodson’s 65 INT’s are 5th all-time. His 13 defensive touchdowns scored are tied for 1st all-time with Rod Woodson. He also forced 33 fumbles. The only DB with more forced fumbles is Brian Dawkins. Woodson was a big-game player and natural born leader. Man was he fun to watch. 

You want to know why Aaron Rodgers and the Packers haven’t won another Super Bowl? They didn’t have anyone to replace Woodson. Woodson made big plays when they needed and he was the leader of that team, not Rodgers. As great a player as Rodgers is- and he’s an all-time great for sure- he just isn’t a leader imo. QB has to lead. That’s not in Rodgers’ make-up. That’s the single biggest reason why they haven’t been back to a Super Bowl imo.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2021, 09:30:28 AM »
The Packers needed a lot more than a good DB since then,injuries and attrition reared their ugly heads.And CW was 35 & banged up when he left GB
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2021, 09:41:56 AM »
the #1 NFC seed Packers have a shot this season w/o Woodson

sure hope they fold
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2021, 09:43:51 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 06, 2021, 12:20:02 AM
Down-ballot Heisman voting is a fun (crazy) study:
Going back to 1980 to now.....

1984:  Fralic must have fallen off, as his support to win the Heisman fell to 1 single voter.
1985:  Sports Illustrated put their pseudo ballot on its cover, advocating for RB Joe Dudek of Plymouth State over Bo Jackson or Chuck Long.  Dudek would finish 9th, with 12 first-place votes (11 more than Thurman Thomas).
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That's a lot for now, I can do another decade if anyone cares to read it. 

Fralic's team probably fell off.  It's still a team award, always has been.

Back in the day when a magazine had more influence than ESPN!!!

I loved the 80's.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #62 on: January 06, 2021, 09:46:11 AM »
Back to the Future ;D
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #63 on: January 06, 2021, 10:18:37 AM »
I don't remember the exact year, sometime in the early 90s, when the preseason mags went from Street n Smith's black-and-white to full color pages, it was beautiful.  
I want to say Sporting News was the first all-color throughout, so I jumped on that bandwagon.  I'm amazed at the grip the NFL has on our society when college is so much more diverse and plentiful.....the history goes back just as far (further, really), and the 4-year turnover cycle keeps the allegiance on the school and not individual players.

Meh, fantasy and gambling.  Whatever.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #64 on: January 06, 2021, 10:49:19 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 06, 2021, 10:18:37 AM
I don't remember the exact year, sometime in the early 90s, when the preseason mags went from Street n Smith's black-and-white to full color pages, it was beautiful. 
I want to say Sporting News was the first all-color throughout, so I jumped on that bandwagon.  I'm amazed at the grip the NFL has on our society when college is so much more diverse and plentiful.....the history goes back just as far (further, really), and the 4-year turnover cycle keeps the allegiance on the school and not individual players.

Meh, fantasy and gambling.  Whatever.
I think it might have been Athlon, that's why I jumped on it.  It just looked so amazing
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #65 on: January 06, 2021, 10:50:37 AM »
Down-ballot Heisman voting (continued)...
1990:  Virginia WR Herman Moore gets 6 first-place votes to Rocket Ismail's 237, despite 11 more receiving TDs and a higher ypc avg on almost twice as many receptions.
1991:  A defensive lineman finished 4th, with 29 1st-place votes (Emtman) and a CB finishes 8th, after a 12-interception season (officially, the most-ever - Buckley, FSU).  It earned him 1 first-place vote.
Our 3rd FR makes an appearance in 9th place, with zero 1sts...Marshall Faulk.
1992:  Faulk vaults to 2nd in the voting, despite a worse season.  Down-ballot, we have 3 defensive players (1st place votes in parenthesis):  FSU LB Marvin Jones (81), Miami LB Michael Barrow (10), and Alabama DE Eric Curry (3). 
1993:  With not many 1st place votes to go around (Ward won in a huge landslide), three mid-major programs boasted top-10 finishers: SDST's Faulk (7 1sts), NIU's LeShon Johnson (5), and Fresno's Trent Dilfer (2). 
1994:  Two linemen in the top 10 of voting garnered 1st place votes:  DT Warren Sapp had 17, while OT Zach Wiegert had 1.  Wiegert's RB also had a single 1st-place vote (Lawrence Phillips).
1995:  The only WR in the top 10 got 9 first-place votes, and it took 100+ catches to get them, for USC WR Keyshawn Johnson.  That was A LOT back then.
1996:  A 2,000 yard rushing season by TTU RB Byron Hanspard earned him just 15 1st-place votes.  Another WR with 100+ catches finished with 7:  Wyoming WR Marcus Harris.
OT Orlando Pace had 87 1sts to finish 4th.
1997:  10th-place finisher WV RB Amos Zereoue had the same number of 1st-place votes as 5th-place Texas RB Ricky Williams, despite an inferior statistical season.  Two WRs got 1st-place votes:  Randy Moss and despite only 653 yds receiving, Iowa WR Tim Dwight.  It may have been those punt returns...
1998:  The year after we had our first defensive winner of the Heisman, CB Champ Bailey finishes 7th, with 6 firsts.  And despite having the highest-rated season by a QB in history, Tulane's Shaun King got 1 first-place vote.
1999:  FR QB Michael Vick only had 4 more 1st-place votes than Marshall QB Chad Pennington.  4th-place Purdue QB Drew Brees had far fewer 1sts than any of the next 4 players who finished behind him in overall voting.  A LB got 3 first-place votes (as many as Brees):  Penn State's LaVar Arrington.
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2021, 10:51:16 AM »
Quote from: ELA on January 06, 2021, 10:49:19 AM
I think it might have been Athlon, that's why I jumped on it.  It just looked so amazing
Now I recall jumping from TSN to Athlon because it had the 2-deep with jersey numbers.  
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2021, 11:34:01 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 06, 2021, 10:50:37 AM
Down-ballot Heisman voting (continued)...

1993:  With not many 1st place votes to go around (Ward won in a huge landslide), three mid-major programs boasted top-10 finishers: SDST's Faulk (7 1sts), NIU's LeShon Johnson (5), and Fresno's Trent Dilfer (2). 
1994:  Two linemen in the top 10 of voting garnered 1st place votes:  DT Warren Sapp had 17, while OT Zach Wiegert had 1.  Wiegert's RB also had a single 1st-place vote (Lawrence Phillips).

1996:  A 2,000 yard rushing season by TTU RB Byron Hanspard earned him just 15 1st-place votes.  

1993, Charlie got the hypesman curse.  Yes he won the game, but got his ass kicked by the blackshirts
1994, Sapp got his ass kicked by Wiegert

1996 - wasn't it Hanspard that had a 0.0 GPA that season?
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2021, 11:34:41 AM »
TSN was the shit in the late 60's early 70's
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Re: Your vote for Hypesman?
« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2021, 11:40:08 AM »

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1990:  Virginia WR Herman Moore gets 6 first-place votes to Rocket Ismail's 237, despite 11 more receiving TDs and a higher ypc avg on almost twice as many receptions.
Man I love going down rabbit holes.  I remember Herman Moore with the Lions, had no idea he played at Virginia.  Also had no idea Virginia was ranked #1 for a few weeks that season before losing 4 of their last 5 and finishing unranked.  Rocket actually had more yards from scrimmage compared to Moore, he ran the ball for over 500 yards too.  And of course everyone remembers him as a return guy.  Anyway, Moore's running mate at receiver was Derek Dooley, best known for flaming out as the head coach at Tennessee.  


And Holy Hell ND's schedule that year.  They played 12 games and of that, in the final AP ranking, they played 5 in the top eleven and 7 in the top 20.  
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