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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #126 on: August 02, 2019, 10:16:18 AM »
The Vette is probably the best value supercar, in terms of price/performance, right?  It can do the things the $300,000+ cars can do at 1/4 the price.  
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #127 on: August 02, 2019, 10:23:36 AM »
Yes, if you are talking track performance.  Of course, a less capable car might be more rewarding to drive on regular roads, like a 911, if you value quality and some aspects of comfort and resale value.

I think "gearheads" - and I'm one of them - often value "numbers" over intangibles, we want to have something with high skidpad figures and low quarter mile times when that vehicle otherwise might not be that "fun to drive" 99% of the time.  You can't explore the limits of these cars safely on regular roads.  What's the point of have a car able to hit 60 in 3 seconds and pull 1.10 gs if you drive it like a Honda Accord and occasionally zoom off from a light?


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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #128 on: August 02, 2019, 10:40:30 AM »
the point is that you're a car guy, you know the numbers and other car guys also know the numbers and will be impressed

same with any "sports" or "performance" car.  No one really needs that type of performance for daily driving.

similar to many options on a Honda Accord. leather seats, high quality audio system, paint upgrades, fancy wheels, back up cameras, automatic parallel parking.

Just bells and whistles.  But folks like them. 
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #129 on: August 02, 2019, 10:41:33 AM »
The C8?  It will surpass the C7 in just about any performance category we could name.  The main issue with the C7 is that the ZR1 was no faster than the Z06 despite having a good bit more horsepower.  RWD had passed its limits of power.  I imagine the C8 ZR1 will be a track monster.

https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/corvette-zr1

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he ZR1 with 755 hp is slower 0-60 than the C8 regular car with 495 hp, by a tick.

The center of mass in the C8 should make for quicker turn in on the track, lower polar moment of inertia.  But these high hp versions are really track cars, they won't yield much on the street.
I was speaking to your comment about interior quality and build.
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #130 on: August 02, 2019, 10:59:32 AM »
The C8?  It will surpass the C7 in just about any performance category we could name.  The main issue with the C7 is that the ZR1 was no faster than the Z06 despite having a good bit more horsepower.  RWD had passed its limits of power.  I imagine the C8 ZR1 will be a track monster.

https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/corvette-zr1

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he ZR1 with 755 hp is slower 0-60 than the C8 regular car with 495 hp, by a tick.

The center of mass in the C8 should make for quicker turn in on the track, lower polar moment of inertia.  But these high hp versions are really track cars, they won't yield much on the street.
I opened the link, but didn't see anything about the ZR1 being no faster than the Z06, nor that it is slower than the new C8. Is this information that you know independently of the article?
I think some of the hood and grille treatment of the C7 ZR1 shows up in the C8.  Unfortunately.
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #132 on: August 02, 2019, 11:17:44 AM »
I should have said the ZR1 is only slightly faster.

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #133 on: August 02, 2019, 11:19:01 AM »
the point is that you're a car guy, you know the numbers and other car guys also know the numbers and will be impressed

same with any "sports" or "performance" car.  No one really needs that type of performance for daily driving.

similar to many options on a Honda Accord. leather seats, high quality audio system, paint upgrades, fancy wheels, back up cameras, automatic parallel parking.

Just bells and whistles.  But folks like them.
My new truck has cooled seats.  Down here in Texico, that's a game changer.

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #134 on: August 02, 2019, 11:28:17 AM »
my truck has heated seats for winter driving.  I rarely remember to turn them on.

As I told the salesman, I wear my long britches in the winter.
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #135 on: August 02, 2019, 11:31:53 AM »
Linked in the Automobile magazine story: 2020 Chevrolet Corvette C8 Design Analysis: “I’m Sorry, but I’m Disappointed”
Here's a representative quote: "I am deeply sorry to be severely disappointed by the styling of the C8. I hoped for something really new and exciting, not a boringly generic supercar, mostly indistinguishable from the many and varied unimaginative devices that show up regularly at the Geneva auto show. Its styling is confused—and downright messy in fact. I count a dozen horizontal lines, not to mention four convoluted taillights; four nice rectangular exhaust tips; plus varied slots, vents, grilles, indented surfaces, and wing elements . . . just across the rear fascia. The front is no better, and the profile with its short, stumpy nose is equally surprising. Maybe it’s all meant to look purposeful, but to me it seems just a careless, cluttered graphic composition, not worthy of Corvette history and what we expect of this technically brilliant descendant of the Jaguar-inspired elegant original C1 from 1953."
I think that we've seen so much "careless, cluttered graphic composition" in car design that we now just take it for granted.  We don't expect, or even look for, elegant design.  30 years ago, this C8 Corvette would have evoked cries of "UGG-LEE!" But now it fits in with all the other careless, cluttered designs on the road--and I include my Boss 302 Mustang in this description--so we just shrug and move on.
It looks like a cartoon of a car.  A caricature.
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #136 on: August 02, 2019, 11:33:30 AM »
My new truck has cooled seats.  Down here in Texico, that's a game changer.
I've got those too. Comes in handy with a black/black car in the summer.
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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #137 on: August 02, 2019, 11:56:39 AM »
Yes, if you are talking track performance.  Of course, a less capable car might be more rewarding to drive on regular roads, like a 911, if you value quality and some aspects of comfort and resale value.

I think "gearheads" - and I'm one of them - often value "numbers" over intangibles, we want to have something with high skidpad figures and low quarter mile times when that vehicle otherwise might not be that "fun to drive" 99% of the time.  You can't explore the limits of these cars safely on regular roads.  What's the point of have a car able to hit 60 in 3 seconds and pull 1.10 gs if you drive it like a Honda Accord and occasionally zoom off from a light?
Agreed. Old quote that I first heard in relation to motorcycles but applies equally to cars: "It's a lot more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow."

Again, I go back to the Ariel Atom. It's nothing in comparison to a modern supercar. It doesn't have launch control. It doesn't have a flappy paddle dual clutch gearbox (in fact, I think it ONLY comes in 6spd manual). It doesn't have ABS. I think they tried to give it downforce, but with a tubular steel half-open frame and exposed front wheels, I'll bet the coefficient of drag is dreadful, so top speed is probably not very high. I'm sure the "numbers" are probably far worse than even the base model C8 Vette.

And I'll bet it's impossible to drive without a smile...

...not that you can see it behind the full-face helmet you probably should wear while driving it since there's no windscreen. 

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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #138 on: August 02, 2019, 11:59:08 AM »
My new truck has cooled seats.  Down here in Texico, that's a game changer.
I've got those too. Comes in handy with a black/black car in the summer.
Absolutely. Heated seats are a lot easier and a lot cheaper (hence why cars have them), but I don't even use them when I'm on business travel to cold places. I generate enough heat.

Cooled seats are amazing.


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Re: You are the sports car
« Reply #139 on: August 02, 2019, 12:14:07 PM »
Yeah my last several cars have had heated seats.  I don't ever use them, just not much need down here.  

But the cooled seats are bomb.

 

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