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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #14 on: Today at 02:54:26 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on Today at 02:46:37 PM
Well sure. If you only have to play a third of the time, you will be more effective. But it's at the expense of toughness.
I'm not sure how you got from players subbing to making the argument that football players lack toughness...

...and especially in a WC thread where you can compare them to THIS level of toughness!


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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #15 on: Today at 03:09:16 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on Today at 02:54:26 PM
I'm not sure how you got from players subbing to making the argument that football players lack toughness...

...and especially in a WC thread where you can compare them to THIS level of toughness!



Because toughness is being able to keep playing when you are tired, or sore, or mentally beat. Pretending to get fouled is annoying but has nothing to do with toughness. Football players pretend to have injuries so the game slows down, which is also annoying and has nothing to do with toughness.

The proverbial "wear them down in the fourth quarter" is the definition of toughness. Also a bit of a throwback because the style of pro football doesn't lend itself to that much anymore. 
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #16 on: Today at 03:14:01 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 02:50:55 PM
I'm 99% sure the players wanted to stay 1-platoon.  But tired tough guys in the 4th quarter aren't very fun to watch. 
Well that's when we see who is tougher. 

In any event, I've always felt football is overcoached and while that is part of the game, I wouldn't mind rules that helped it be a bit more player controlled. 
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #17 on: Today at 03:56:47 PM »
I see no point in running down the soccer guys.  I used to be that guy --- soccer guys are wimps!

Anyone that can run the pitch for 90-100 minutes straight has my respect.  Oh no, they got a drink of water --- pansies.

Do we expect them to drop dead on the field?

Relax....
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #18 on: Today at 04:07:17 PM »
International football players could stand to flop less, but there's a reason they do it--fouls are a little more precise / nuanced than in other sports, and they want "to help the referees see the foul." That's unfortunate. But the game is beautiful and exciting when played well. And it's being played well right now. Because of the low scoring nature of it, it makes underdogs feel like they have a chance (even when they really do not). The global nature of the game is also remarkable. There is no tournament like it, not even the Olympics.
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #19 on: Today at 04:18:33 PM »
Quote from: jgvol on Today at 03:56:47 PM
I see no point in running down the soccer guys.  I used to be that guy --- soccer guys are wimps!

Anyone that can run the pitch for 90-100 minutes straight has my respect.  Oh no, they got a drink of water --- pansies.

Do we expect them to drop dead on the field?

Relax....
I'm perfectly calm, dude.
No one is dying, they get subbed out.  Easy.  You know, a 2nd platoon.  

Anyway, if acting is part of your sport, your sport isn't tough.  
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #20 on: Today at 04:22:28 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 04:18:33 PM
I'm perfectly calm, dude.
No one is dying, they get subbed out.  Easy.  You know, a 2nd platoon. 

Anyway, if acting is part of your sport, your sport isn't tough. 
We prove our toughness by not playing when we hit adversity
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #21 on: Today at 04:27:29 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 02:36:10 AM
Also, I come to find there are water breaks.  So we have flopping/acting and now water breaks.  It's like viewing repellant, lol.  It's really hard to respect them.  I know they're great athletes and I couldn't do any of that, but jesus christ, man.  Fucking man up.
Are you saying you believe they're having these water breaks because the players need them?
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #22 on: Today at 04:42:27 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 04:18:33 PM
I'm perfectly calm, dude.
No one is dying, they get subbed out.  Easy.  You know, a 2nd platoon. 

Anyway, if acting is part of your sport, your sport isn't tough. 

CFB in a nutshell these days.  

The acting is having to be legislated out.  So......
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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #23 on: Today at 04:43:38 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on Today at 03:09:16 PM
Because toughness is being able to keep playing when you are tired, or sore, or mentally beat. Pretending to get fouled is annoying but has nothing to do with toughness. Football players pretend to have injuries so the game slows down, which is also annoying and has nothing to do with toughness.

The proverbial "wear them down in the fourth quarter" is the definition of toughness. Also a bit of a throwback because the style of pro football doesn't lend itself to that much anymore.
I do get angry at the pretended injuries in football. 

That said, I don't think you can compare the two. Football is about extreme exertion for short bursts. Futbol is about a long endurance effort with spurts of heavier output. 

One of the Peloton ride types I've done is called "Sprint Interval Training". These are short bursts where you're supposed to push high enough output that you're reaching failure at the end. One of the recent 45 minute rides has (2) 30s bursts, (2) 20s bursts, (2) 15s bursts, and (6) 10s bursts in the main set (after warmup). So in 33 minutes of that main set, you're only doing 3 minutes and 10 seconds of hard effort, with the rest being recovery effort. 

Another 45 minute ride type I do is called "Power Zone Endurance". After warmup, a recent ride with a 32 minute main set is spent with zero recovery. You alternate between two different cardio endurance levels (zones 2 and 3), and you're putting out constant output for that entire 32 minutes. 

Which one do you think leaves you more exhausted?
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #24 on: Today at 04:49:14 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on Today at 04:43:38 PM
I do get angry at the pretended injuries in football.

That said, I don't think you can compare the two. Football is about extreme exertion for short bursts. Futbol is about a long endurance effort with spurts of heavier output.

One of the Peloton ride types I've done is called "Sprint Interval Training". These are short bursts where you're supposed to push high enough output that you're reaching failure at the end. One of the recent 45 minute rides has (2) 30s bursts, (2) 20s bursts, (2) 15s bursts, and (6) 10s bursts in the main set (after warmup). So in 33 minutes of that main set, you're only doing 3 minutes and 10 seconds of hard effort, with the rest being recovery effort.

Another 45 minute ride type I do is called "Power Zone Endurance". After warmup, a recent ride with a 32 minute main set is spent with zero recovery. You alternate between two different cardio endurance levels (zones 2 and 3), and you're putting out constant output for that entire 32 minutes.

Which one do you think leaves you more exhausted?
I get your point but the Sprint Interval Training is much closer to soccer than the other one. It's really much closer to soccer than it is to football.
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #25 on: Today at 04:49:24 PM »
Quote from: jgvol on Today at 03:56:47 PM
I see no point in running down the soccer guys.  I used to be that guy --- soccer guys are wimps!

Anyone that can run the pitch for 90-100 minutes straight has my respect.  Oh no, they got a drink of water --- pansies.

Do we expect them to drop dead on the field?

Relax....
Yeah, I'm not trying to denigrate soccer players. 

I was more just picking at Sam for insinuating football players are somehow less tough. 
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #26 on: Today at 04:50:45 PM »
Also, don't like soccer/international football, no need to comment on the World Cup thread.

But as someone who does like international football (and American football), I'm annoyed at the three minute advertising breaks in the middle of each half. I'm fine with hydration breaks when the weather demands it, but programming it in? That's FIFA searching for advertising dollars. The game I'm going to tonight will not be hot enough to demand a hydration break, let alone two.

FWIW, OAF, in international football, once subbed off, one cannot sub back on.
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Re: World Cup 2026
« Reply #27 on: Today at 05:09:53 PM »
Quote from: jgvol on Today at 03:56:47 PM
I see no point in running down the soccer guys.  I used to be that guy --- soccer guys are wimps!
Ronaldo looks pretty big and freaking jacked. he could probably beat the absolute fuck out of any keyboard warriors calling him a wimp. just my guess.
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