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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2017, 09:48:39 AM »
I'm guessing that if the government did not foot the bill to rebuild areas in repeated peril of natural disasters, many folks wouldn't live there.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2017, 01:07:13 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on September 02, 2017, 09:48:39 AM
I'm guessing that if the government   certain if taxpayers like us did not foot the bill to rebuild areas in repeated peril of natural disasters, many folks wouldn't live there.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2017, 01:09:18 PM »
Harvey is NOT a natural disaster. It's man-made because man put a city in harm's way, and they knew it.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2017, 08:58:33 AM »
We just drove along the Gulf Coast from NOLA to Mobile and a lot of the houses that used to be there are gone now.  You have the beach, a four lane highway, and then large lots where apparently nice houses once existed.  I didn't see much/any construction on those parcels.  The cities/towns of course remain in the region with casinos right on the Gulf, though often I noted thin islands, possibly man made break waters, about half a mile off shore.

They help with waves but not storm surge/high tide.

The newer buildings were all elevated, only parking underneath.

This notion that climate change intensified Harvey is very speculative and no climate scientist is going to go there with definition.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2017, 09:10:12 AM »
I'm sure humans will try and construct artificial items to manage future calamities.

I even think they will work on occasion.
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« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2017, 01:56:31 PM »
I meant to post this earlier but I got sidetracked, anyways the absolute strangest thing happened Friday night in Phoenix. I was working that evening and work often has me outdoors. It was of course hot that day but dry so once the sun went down it actually was quite tolerable outside. 

But then somewhere between 10 and 11 pm it happened. It got hotter, or so it felt. At 10 I wasn't sweating at all, but by 11 I was drenched. Weird as hell. Finally got off work at 11:30 and checked the weather, the temp had actually stayed the same (hovering in the low 90s the past few hours) so I was baffled, maybe it was me?!? I knew better though and checked the dewpoint and VIOLA, found my culprit. The damn dewpoint literally rose 20 degrees (from mid 40s to mid 60s) in a span of 2 hours. Made all the difference in the world. 

Apparently some moisture from either the gulf or Pacific just up and crept it's way over southern and central AZ (which itself isn't that strange, we do have monsoons this time of year) but didn't really bring any clouds or rain with it, just sticky ass humidity. Yuck.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2017, 02:38:52 PM »
In my little town of 5,000, we have a Mississippi tributary that has flooded frequently since we arrived, starting in 1993 -- I am guessing it was not as frequent in the years before 1993, but no doubt there was some flooding.

Several homes were removed from the flood plain. Several businesses were removed from the flood plain. Now there is rebuilding in the flood plain (this is where the highest traffic counts are in town so it is potentially valuable real estate to develop). These new entrepreneurs are dumping piles of dirt in the flood plain to build a building in the floodplain that is above the flood table. Finally some of the other owners in what I would say is the 500-year flood plain are just now figuring out that it is like a bath tub and if you displace flood plain with dirt, buildings and parking lots, it moves the flood waters higher. They have talked to the city council but have done nothing else.

I practice law. It surprises me no one filed a nuisance lawsuit against the people who buy floodplain land and develop it at the expense of their neighbors. Problem is one person filing suit that benefits many other owners who don't pay. There is no association of neighboring owners to do the right thing.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2017, 07:42:20 PM »
it could be quite simple

if the independent insurance company would allow you to purchase flood insurance, the government shouldn't pay for damages

then the bank wouldn't extend the loan to purchase
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2017, 08:40:26 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on September 04, 2017, 02:38:52 PM
In my little town of 5,000, we have a Mississippi tributary that has flooded frequently since we arrived, starting in 1993 -- I am guessing it was not as frequent in the years before 1993, but no doubt there was some flooding.

Several homes were removed from the flood plain. Several businesses were removed from the flood plain. Now there is rebuilding in the flood plain (this is where the highest traffic counts are in town so it is potentially valuable real estate to develop). These new entrepreneurs are dumping piles of dirt in the flood plain to build a building in the floodplain that is above the flood table. Finally some of the other owners in what I would say is the 500-year flood plain are just now figuring out that it is like a bath tub and if you displace flood plain with dirt, buildings and parking lots, it moves the flood waters higher. They have talked to the city council but have done nothing else.

I practice law. It surprises me no one filed a nuisance lawsuit against the people who buy floodplain land and develop it at the expense of their neighbors. Problem is one person filing suit that benefits many other owners who don't pay. There is no association of neighboring owners to do the right thing.
In Illinois, at a minimum, any fill placed in the floodplain must be replaced at a 1:1 ratio and at the same hydraulic equal. In NE Illinois, it is 1.5:1.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #51 on: September 04, 2017, 10:35:24 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 04, 2017, 08:40:26 PM
In Illinois, at a minimum, any fill placed in the floodplain must be replaced at a 1:1 ratio and at the same hydraulic equal. In NE Illinois, it is 1.5:1.
In layman's terms, are you saying that if you place fill-dirt in the floodplain that you must remove dirt elsewhere in the floodplain?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2017, 07:20:25 AM »
Maybe if we pave Paradise, all that rain water will go somewhere else.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2017, 07:49:28 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on September 04, 2017, 10:35:24 PM
In layman's terms, are you saying that if you place fill-dirt in the floodplain that you must remove dirt elsewhere in the floodplain?

If you fill, you must create new floodplain at the same elevation, which makes it hydraulically equivalent (to a point). Any fill between the 0-10 year flood must be replaced at the 0-10 year flood elevation. Any fill between the 10-100 year flood must be replaced at the 10-100 year flood elevation. That last one makes filling prohibitive (expensive). The 1.5:1 ratio in NE Illinois makes it even harder.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2017, 07:51:07 AM »
As many here can likely guess, I'm opposed to a lot of government regulations.

Ones I am not opposed to are the ones related to life safety and health. I'm all in favor of regulating construction in floodplains and floodways.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2017, 04:22:12 PM »
The problem I found with "regulations" on things like safety is that in the main they made no sense and caused us to keep a lot of paperwork and silliness that was simply not useful at all.  Some of the regulations are counter to other regulations, so you can't abide by one set without infracting another set.

The CFR is a nightmare I've had to try and wade through.  Even the folks from OSHA and EPA couldn't tell me what parts meant.  One guy spent hours on the phone back to DC trying to decipher a certain passage.  They finally said no one understood it.  It was supposedly something OSHA was trying to enforce.

Another one had the "<" clearly reversed and the EPA guy said he couldn't change it, and it meant we had to pollute MORE than we were polluting to be in the spec.  He just shrugged and said he saw this routinely.  He said he wouldn't write us up for a violation is we kept under the pollution level we were supposed to be at.  But he couldn't change it in the field.

Another part of the Lab Standard runs clearly afoul of EEOC standards.

Regulations are needed, yes, but they end up being masses of uninerpretable molasses.
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