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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2017, 08:54:53 PM »
stay safe in Texas during the Hurricane



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2017, 08:28:43 PM »
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1987/02/23/atchafalaya


Read it. Think about it. No more levees and dams. Take them all out, and move people out of harm's way.

Low lying cities need to mitigate the many years of mistakes made on stormwater management. The time is now.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2017, 11:38:48 PM »
folks are drawn to the waterfront for a reason
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2017, 06:54:13 AM »
Some waters are safe to live on, such as the Great Lakes. Others, not so much. We do not have gills.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2017, 08:02:33 AM »
The cost to rebuild much of Houston and flooded TX and LA communities will be enormous.  I don't think one can count on going another 12 years before the next major hurricane hits the US and this repeats.  Not sure what the answer is.  There's a reason why there is so much industry along the Gulf Coast and lower Mississippi.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2017, 09:03:59 AM »
Settlements were built near water because water is the most cost effective way to move large quantities of goods.  That hasn't changed.  The working class that keeps that industry moving cannot afford a long commute and has to live near the water's edge.  That puts in in harm's way when a hurricane hits.  Moving everyone inland is not going to be a viable solution.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2017, 09:33:23 AM »
Isaac's Storm, which is about the Galveston hurricane a hundred years ago, is a pretty quick and good read.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2017, 09:53:15 AM »
The cost of moving populations away from flood plains is obviously something that means it won't happen aside from some sparsely populated areas that are in bad shape.

We think we can control Nature, still.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2017, 10:15:17 AM »
There are solutions. People just refuse to open their minds to them for fear of change.

Insanity prevails.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2017, 11:22:23 AM »
It boggles my mind to try and think about what this would mean in Cincinnati alone.

Covington, KY sits behind large dikes and of course the Ohio River is made navigable only by use of dams.

The 1937 Cincinnati flood was major for this part of the world.

The flood plain on which much of Cincy is located has a small river running through the middle of it that the Ohio backs into during floods except for the flood gates.  They pump the Mill Creek water over the flood gate in effect to prevent flooding.

It works.  I have seen one or two rather large floods here in my life in Cincy but nothing that did much damage to infrastructure.  Without all of the dikes, the Cincy flood plain would have to be abandoned.

That would be almost all of the built up urban area.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2017, 11:39:23 AM »
Mother Nature wants her floodplain back, and she also wants America's Wetland back.

There would be no flooding whatsoever if the full storage in floodplains were available.

Think big, start small.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2017, 12:27:55 PM »
Outside the larger discussion, I spent too much of this morning reading up on the Cajun Navy. 

What a bunch of God damn heros. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2017, 12:34:51 PM »
Mother Nature wants her floodplain back, and she also wants America's Wetland back.

There would be no flooding whatsoever if the full storage in floodplains were available.

Think big, start small.
To clear all the floodplains, you would have to relocate about 70% of all urban areas.  But you are correct, levees built to hold back water in one area increase the impact on the areas up and downstream of the levee.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2017, 12:41:04 PM »
As I said, I can't begin to imagine how Cincy would do this, ever.  There isn't even a "start small" notional concept around.

It's not going to happen, so I guess thinking about it is futile anyway.


 

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