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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5292 on: October 22, 2021, 12:50:29 PM »
perhaps your next book????
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5293 on: October 22, 2021, 12:55:05 PM »
30 degrees and foggy here this morning

58 degrees in my hallway where the thermostat is located

broke down and turned on the electric heat pump furnace

expected high of 55

I'm going golfing
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5294 on: October 23, 2021, 07:53:52 AM »
Challenges of the clean energy transition | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)

This lady seems almost completely to be ignored by policy makers, she is invited to give her perspective at times, this is one example.  My hunch is this has become 99.99% political and folks want to DO something, and politicians view this as a chance to direct money to entities they favor.  So, we throw money at it, as usual, as we have so many other issues, like poverty and education, with dubious results.

There is no real plan, one would be horrifying if it existed.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5295 on: October 23, 2021, 10:26:25 AM »
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5296 on: October 23, 2021, 11:27:32 AM »
Viral image: Says a wind turbine “could never generate as much energy as was invested in building it.”

PolitiFact rating: False

Here's why: Wind farms are a pillar of America’s climate change strategy. They now produce over 8% of the nation’s electricity, and their output is expected to nearly double over the next decade.

A Facebook post casts wind as a losing proposition.

"A windmill could spin until it falls apart and never generate as much energy as was invested in building it," a Sept. 16 version of the post says. This qualifies as a zombie claim. In 2019, we found an earlier version False, but it walks again.


The image is topped with a striking photo of a wind turbine on fire (it comes from a March 2020 fire in Texas) and gives some details.

"A two-megawatt windmill is made up of 260 tonnes of steel that required 300 tonnes of iron ore and 170 tonnes of coking coal, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons," the post says. (We corrected several typos in the text.)


https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/2021/10/13/wind-turbine-never-generate-much-energy-cost-build/8423146002/

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A viral image said that a wind turbine "could never generate as much energy as was invested in building it."

The claim cherry-picked a quote from a book and distorted its meaning.

Every study of the lifecycle of wind turbines finds that they produce more energy than it took to produce them. Most analyses put the energy payback period at about a year or so. The most conservative, real-world assessment we found calculated that wind turbines in Texas produced more electricity than it took to build them after about six years.

We rate this claim False.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5297 on: October 24, 2021, 08:44:29 PM »
China on Tuesday launched a major effort to ramp up coal production and stabilize coal prices ahead of an anticipated surge in electric power demand this winter.

China’s National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) reportedly ordered mine operators to “produce as much coal as possible.”


https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/10/21/climate-change-china-launches-all-out-coal-production-campaign/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0xhXF88giFV0tOGl7xjV52oM971lvemsFCANdkHc5bvVDIsDxCTqbjN0A

CNN noted on Wednesday that China made an effort to scale back coal production this year to placate climate change activists, but those desultory efforts simply evaporated in the face of rolling blackouts that interfered with the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) industrial goals.

China’s power grid remains heavily dependent on coal and its international Belt and Road infrastructure program has littered the Third World with more coal-burning plants. China added over three times as much coal-fired generator capacity in 2020 as the rest of the world combined.

The Communist Party tried increasing the price of electricity and encouraging its subjects to reduce their power consumption, but in September the pretense of restraining coal production was quietly abandoned and coal inventories began growing again. Now the NDRC is telling mine operators to increase production by all means necessary, and outlawing shutting down any Chinese coal mine.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5298 on: October 25, 2021, 07:41:06 AM »
There is nothing we can do here in the USA to combat that. Not even close. Turn the pipelines back on and let's move forward.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5299 on: October 25, 2021, 10:41:08 AM »
well, there's something, but that would be extreme
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5300 on: October 25, 2021, 11:20:19 AM »
well, there's something, but that would be extreme
yep but nuking other countries would be bad press
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5301 on: October 25, 2021, 11:23:17 AM »
China on Tuesday launched a major effort to ramp up coal production and stabilize coal prices ahead of an anticipated surge in electric power demand this winter.

China’s National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) reportedly ordered mine operators to “produce as much coal as possible.”


https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/10/21/climate-change-china-launches-all-out-coal-production-campaign/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0xhXF88giFV0tOGl7xjV52oM971lvemsFCANdkHc5bvVDIsDxCTqbjN0A

CNN noted on Wednesday that China made an effort to scale back coal production this year to placate climate change activists, but those desultory efforts simply evaporated in the face of rolling blackouts that interfered with the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) industrial goals.

China’s power grid remains heavily dependent on coal and its international Belt and Road infrastructure program has littered the Third World with more coal-burning plants. China added over three times as much coal-fired generator capacity in 2020 as the rest of the world combined.

The Communist Party tried increasing the price of electricity and encouraging its subjects to reduce their power consumption, but in September the pretense of restraining coal production was quietly abandoned and coal inventories began growing again. Now the NDRC is telling mine operators to increase production by all means necessary, and outlawing shutting down any Chinese coal mine.

I find this interesting. 

We often talk about the Chinese government playing the "long game". I.e. whereas American business is thinking one to several quarters ahead, and American government is barely thinking beyond the next election, the Chinese are planning decades ahead for economic domination.

Yet they're prioritizing energy production via coal over carbon reductions.

This must mean one of several things, or a combination:

  • They don't believe in the threat of man-made climate change. I.e. perhaps they don't believe man-made climate change is real. Or they believe it's real but they don't believe there will be catastrophic consequences. 
  • They believe it's real but don't care. I.e. despite us talking about them planning several decades out, they know that if they don't keep the ball rolling on modernizing their economy and raising standards of living, the people will put an end to the government. 
  • They believe it's real, but they're trying to balance and pull a switcheroo down the road... I.e. coal, coal, coal right now to bring up their economy, in the hopes that it won't be too late to pivot to cleaner energy sources AFTER they've built up the economy based on coal and CO2-based energy.


What do you all think?

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5302 on: October 25, 2021, 11:23:52 AM »
yep but nuking other countries would be bad press
Nuclear winter is not a good response to global warming.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5303 on: October 25, 2021, 11:33:12 AM »
  • They don't believe in the threat of man-made climate change. I.e. perhaps they don't believe man-made climate change is real. Or they believe it's real but they don't believe there will be catastrophic consequences.
  • They believe it's real but don't care. I.e. despite us talking about them planning several decades out, they know that if they don't keep the ball rolling on modernizing their economy and raising standards of living, the people will put an end to the government.
  • They believe it's real, but they're trying to balance and pull a switcheroo down the road... I.e. coal, coal, coal right now to bring up their economy, in the hopes that it won't be too late to pivot to cleaner energy sources AFTER they've built up the economy based on coal and CO2-based energy.
I think they want power and influence and stability for them in office, everything comes from that.  I'd guess they have done internal studies that CC, if really that bad, isn't really that  bad for China, say it kills of a million or so people, meh.  Meanwhile they would have achieved their goal, global hegemony in terms of influence and power.

So, it's more Item 2.  I think they also realize that any SERIOUS effort would put them back economically to the point folks would revolt.  They HAVE to maintain economic progress, it's is far more essential than is CC.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #5304 on: October 25, 2021, 11:54:23 AM »
#2 - They believe it's real but don't care. I.e. despite us talking about them planning several decades out, they know that if they don't keep the ball rolling on modernizing their economy and raising standards of living, the people will put an end to the government.
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« Reply #5305 on: October 25, 2021, 11:59:40 AM »
Yup, I watch a business channel in the AM before markets open.  They had on some CEO of a restaurant group (who didn't answer questions, he's like a pol) who claimed that making progress on carbon was essential to his business.

No, it's not, balderdash, beyond generating some positive PR that helps his sales and imagery.  I saw this where I worked, notably when "landfills were reaching capacity" (which was a total lie obviously).  It mattered not what we did to solve that nonproblem but it mattered a LOT that we generated positive PR as if we were DOING something.

I got into political trouble with truth over that mess.  We spent tens of millions of dollars, wasted all of it, except for the PR angle.

 

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