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FearlessF · « **Reply #5306 on:** October 25, 2021, 12:03:13 PM »

China doesn't seem as worried about PR

MrNubbz · « **Reply #5307 on:** October 25, 2021, 12:05:54 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on October 25, 2021, 11:59:40 AM

Yup, I watch a business channel in the AM before markets open. They had on some CEO of a restaurant group (who didn't answer questions, he's like a pol) who claimed that making progress on carbon was essential to his business.

No, it's not, balderdash, beyond generating some positive PR that helps his sales and imagery. I saw this where I worked, notably when "landfills were reaching capacity" (which was a total lie obviously). It mattered not what we did to solve that nonproblem but it mattered a LOT that we generated positive PR as if we were DOING something.

I got into political trouble with truth over that mess. We spent tens of millions of dollars, wasted all of it, except for the PR angle.

Let the stock holders know

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5308 on:** October 25, 2021, 12:17:08 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on October 25, 2021, 12:03:13 PM

China doesn't seem as worried about PR

They really are, to an extent, they make some effort at it, they like to appear kindly etc. Most countries do PR.

They announce solar/wind projects fairly often as if it really matters to mask their coal use etc. But push to shove, they don't care about PR.

They care about economic progress, and anything that damages "western" economic progress.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5309 on:** October 27, 2021, 09:46:20 AM »

Electric vehicles projected to make up 31% of the global fleet by 2050 (electrek.co)

So the split of EV growth occurs between OECD countries and non-OECD countries, according to the EIA, as it projects EV fleet shares will reach 34% in OECD countries and 28% in non-OECD countries by 2050.

This looks about right to me, barring heavy government regulation. It takes a long time to change such a large market.

Obviously, that leaves a lot of IC vehicles operating even in 30 years if this is correct.

FearlessF · « **Reply #5310 on:** October 27, 2021, 10:06:21 AM »

I'd guess it's a high projection

I'd guess less than 30%, maybe 25%

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5311 on:** October 28, 2021, 07:53:36 AM »

Energy crisis: Analysts split on whether gas prices will remain high (cnbc.com)

Increased demand for NG forecast, which of course is not what climate change worriers would like.

All these hydrocarbons are going to get burned, simple as that, maybe in 20 years we'll start seeing some decline.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5312 on:** October 28, 2021, 08:11:54 AM »

China is ramping up coal imports from Russia — but not Australia (cnbc.com)

China imported about 3.7 million tons of thermal coal from Russia in September, according to customs data accessed through Wind Information. That’s up 28% from August and more than 230% higher than a year ago.
The surge is not a one-off. China’s imports of thermal coal from Russia have either doubled or tripled from 2020 levels every month since May. The monthly figures this year also remain well above pre-pandemic levels in 2019.
“This demonstrates that China still needs the global trade system, despite its concerted efforts to reduce its dependence on trade,” said Stephen Olson, senior research fellow at the Hinrich Foundation, a nonprofit organization focused on trade issues.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5313 on:** October 28, 2021, 09:22:52 AM »

Biden's proposed reconciliation framework drops clean electricity program, methane fee | TheHill
Biden's proposed reconciliation framework drops clean electricity program, methane fee | TheHill

President Biden on Thursday revealed a revised reconciliation framework to House progressives that includes more than $500 billion in climate provisions but excludes several major progressive agenda items.
The framework, according to a fact sheet released by the White House, includes $320 for clean energy tax credits, which would apply to transmission and storage, manufacturing, residences and passenger/commercial vehicles.
It would also include $105 billion for environmental resilience. This figure includes funds to address the impacts of the extreme weather events that have made headlines throughout the year, such as wildfires and hurricanes. It would also provide for a Civilian Climate Corps, a major progressive climate wishlist item and one that Biden has frequently compared to President Franklin Roosevelt’s Depression-era New Deal measures.

I presume the spending is over ten years, so divide by ten, $50 billion a year for stuff. It would be amusing to calculate how much impact that will have on CO2 generation and temperature increases.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5314 on:** October 28, 2021, 01:55:40 PM »

DUH.

Few Big Oil climate targets have meaning: Fmr. BP CEO John Browne (cnbc.com)

As BP CEO John Browne was an early pioneer of clean energy investing in the oil sector to confront climate change.
He says the amount of investment each year to control climate issues will need to increase by over $2 trillion.
He says many companies across sectors today have set science-based targets for reducing carbon, but meaningful plans are not there.

The issue isn’t limited to the energy sector. Roughly 1,800 companies have committed to Paris 2050 climate goals, but only 50% of those companies have set carbon reduction targets, and only 10% of those companies have plans to deliver.
“It’s getting the plans to deliver. It’s not just setting the targets. Those plans are in short supply everywhere,” Browne said.
And even for companies that have plans, the plans will require increasingly large investments.
The amount invested annually will need to rise from $1.2 trillion to $3.5 trillion. “It’s a big change, and that change has to be done every year for the next decade,” Browne said.

This simply is not realistic and not going to happen. Companies will spend some for PR and imagery. Any company that really invests seriously in this will get walloped by competitors that don't.

FearlessF · « **Reply #5315 on:** October 28, 2021, 03:54:56 PM »

funds to address the impacts of the extreme weather events that have made headlines throughout the year, such as wildfires and hurricanes. It would also provide for a Civilian Climate Corps,

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and what are these funds going to be spent on and what in the heck will the Civilian Corps be doing????

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5316 on:** October 28, 2021, 04:05:38 PM »

I would guess nobody knows what the CCC will be doing, probably some vague notion of planting trees. In reality, I'd guess it ends up being a paid semi-vacation for poorly motivated 19 year olds who want to "camp out" and score and pretend. It'll have some enthusiasm early on of course.

FearlessF · « **Reply #5317 on:** October 28, 2021, 04:53:28 PM »

so, what can reasonably be done to limit wildfires and hurricanes???

throw money at them???

sacrifice a few 20 year-olds in the civilian corps

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5318 on:** October 28, 2021, 04:54:12 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on October 28, 2021, 04:53:28 PM

so, what can reasonably be done to limit wildfires and hurricanes???

throw money at them???

sacrifice a few 20 year-olds in the civilian corps

From what I've seen datawise, hurricane intensity is not increasing, and the same may be true for wildfires.

China offers no notable new environmental goals ahead of UN climate summit | TheHill

ELA · « **Reply #5319 on:** October 28, 2021, 09:37:19 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on October 28, 2021, 04:53:28 PM

so, what can reasonably be done to limit wildfires and hurricanes???

Stop building homes in the line of them?

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