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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4536 on: March 24, 2021, 11:27:18 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 24, 2021, 11:22:13 AM
The French use nukes for 75% of their power.  It poked out as an issue and Macron initially said they would move away from nukes, then someone did some math for him.

The Germans are replacing their nukes with coal, in part, yay.
no wonder it's called the Paris Agreement

I guess that's ok, but the Wuhan Virus is bad? 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4537 on: March 24, 2021, 11:28:34 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 24, 2021, 11:27:15 AM
I have not seen a person without a mask inside a store in ages around here.  I used to see one on occasion.

Same with inside our building, we had one guy who refused to wear a mask, I once barred his entry into the elevator and told him to get the next one.  He grunted at me.  "We" apparently fined him and I have not seen him around.
lots of folks not wear masks now that the Governor removed the statewide mandate
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4538 on: March 24, 2021, 11:31:21 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 24, 2021, 11:25:35 AM
Not practicably, it's terribly expensive and requires enormous power.
Some of you don't seem to understand that every new technology starts out this way.  Now obviously, not all of them pan out successfully, but every new, great idea starts out with a low volume, high pricetag birth.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4539 on: March 24, 2021, 11:33:24 AM »
And France hasn't had any nuclear issues, that I'm aware of.  Probably because it's not on a tectonic fault line and doesn't employ idiots at these facilities.  Nuclear is a great energy source.  

Imagine if we hadn't taken a 25-year break from it - how improved it could be today from 25 year's worth of advances.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4540 on: March 24, 2021, 11:35:25 AM »
https://globalecoguy.org/7-reasons-why-artificial-carbon-removal-is-overhyped-887311d079


1. It’s Still Tiny, Even After Billions of Tax Dollars

2. Even If it Scales, Artificial Carbon Removal Will Still be a Small Player

3. Nature Can Do a Better Job

4. The Technology Has a Big Footprint

5. It Perpetuates Injustice

6. It Distracts Attention from Cutting Emissions

7. Fossil Fuel Companies Use It for Profit and to Delay Climate Action

The fossil fuel industry loves this technology, as it gives the illusion that we can use fossil fuels without climate consequences. All while making huge sums of money.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4541 on: March 24, 2021, 11:37:13 AM »
https://www.fastcompany.com/90457746/trees-big-fans-and-deep-rooted-plants-how-to-suck-2-gigatons-of-carbon-from-the-atmosphere

Trees, big fans, and deep-rooted plants: How to suck 2 gigatons of carbon from the atmosphere

Even if we hit “deep decarbonization” by 2050, we’ll most likely need to find a way to be continuously removing carbon emissions from the air. A new report explains how.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4542 on: March 24, 2021, 11:45:53 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 24, 2021, 11:23:33 AM
So let's see how this works...

  • America raises the price of energy, causing the price of all domestic goods and services to increase markedly.
  • This reduces international demand for carbon-based energy, thus [due to simple supply/demand] reducing the costs of all other countries who still rely on carbon-bases energy sources.
  • This imbalance causes even more production of goods to be outsourced to other countries because the relative costs of productions have increased in the US and decreased everywhere else.
  • America's economic growth declines while other countries' economic growth increases, reducing America's relative stature in the world and leads to the resurgence of Russia and the growth of China into a superpower on par with America.
  • The net result is that we've done nothing to curb global warming; we've just shifted economic activity out of the US and into other countries.

I'm not sure this is the best sales strategy for American voters... But go with it and see where it gets ya!



Yup.  We can't-- and won't-- make other nations care.  It'll never happen.  All we can do is hamstring ourselves globally, even moreso than we already do.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4543 on: March 24, 2021, 12:12:49 PM »
that's it!

I'm signing a petition

no more money spent on decarbonization!!!

who's with me??
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4544 on: March 24, 2021, 12:28:39 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 24, 2021, 12:12:49 PM
that's it!

I'm signing a petition

no more money spent on decarbonization!!!

who's with me??
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4545 on: March 24, 2021, 03:23:53 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 24, 2021, 11:31:21 AM
Some of you don't seem to understand that every new technology starts out this way.  Now obviously, not all of them pan out successfully, but every new, great idea starts out with a low volume, high pricetag birth. 
You might not understand the concept of entropy.

Thermodynamics is the final vote here, in all cases, there is no out.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4546 on: March 24, 2021, 04:00:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 24, 2021, 03:23:53 PM
You might not understand the concept of entropy.

Thermodynamics is the final vote here, in all cases, there is no out.
out from what

when the world doesnt do anything what happens and when will it happen
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4547 on: March 24, 2021, 04:17:34 PM »
There is nothing in terms of some future development that can be an "out", or work around, from the laws of thermodynamics.

You can get "around" entropy only with the expense of enthalpy.  It is a natural law.

Trying to remove something at a level 400 ppm from air is going to be expensive.  Doable, but expensive.

Delta G = Delta H - T Delta S

Words to live by.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4548 on: March 24, 2021, 04:29:52 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 24, 2021, 04:00:57 PM
out from what
The inevitable heat death of the universe.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4549 on: March 24, 2021, 04:38:34 PM »
Imagine a million marbles and 410 of them are blue and you want to pick out that 410.  It takes energy (and discrimination ability), a lot of energy, there is no way around this.  One can do it, one could  devise a sorting machine to do it, but it would be energy intensive.

Some things we can't get around.
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