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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4564 on: March 25, 2021, 05:02:30 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 25, 2021, 04:48:29 PM
like assuming that China, India, Russia, and Mexico will do nothing?
You could assume that, or that they do something.  But we only control what we do here.  Imagine every country makes it to carbon neutral by 2050, how much does that limit increase in global T by 2100?  Just with that as a GOAL, no enablement, how beneficial is it>
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4565 on: March 25, 2021, 05:12:04 PM »
you haven't been able to find those numbers?

or you're skeptical of the numbers?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4566 on: March 25, 2021, 05:13:05 PM »
The study also concluded that EU 2050 climate neutrality, if achieved, will likely cause only a very small decrease in the average global atmospheric temperature increase, estimated at between 0.05°C and 0.15°C in 2100, and no more than between 0.02°C and 0.06°C in 2050, assuming no carbon leakage occurs. Electricity-generating technologies therefore should be evaluated for the degree to which they constitute ‘no regrets’ solutions.

Road to Climate Neutrality | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)

If we extrapolate from the EU to the world, that means by 2100, the global T might drop by about 0.6°C or so,  if Europe provides -0.1°C, the rest of the world might do 5 times that roughly.  

A lot of the increase is already baked in even if we went neutral TODAY.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4567 on: March 25, 2021, 05:13:50 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 25, 2021, 05:12:04 PM
you haven't been able to find those numbers?

or you're skeptical of the numbers?
It's a salient question, and the fact the numbers are not easy to come by on line is a sign also.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4568 on: March 25, 2021, 07:10:15 PM »
I'm waiting for for the plan how on we deal with this, too.  Carbon in atmosphere rises, and there is almost no plan anywhere in the world to reduce it. My youngest daughter turns 6 in a couple weeks. She (will hopefully) be an old lady in 2100. There is no plan to reduce or even slow the rate of carbon, and the resulting damage with it.  Simply get as much as we can out of a cheap energy source and let the next generations deal with it. That is the plan. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4569 on: March 26, 2021, 07:17:51 AM »
I don't see much value in sarcasm in lieu of some serious discussion.

But, have at it if that is all you can offer.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4570 on: March 26, 2021, 07:55:46 AM »
I didn't read Max's post as sarcasm, but rather as genuine concern.  

I get it, and I share it.

But that doesn't change the fact that nobody has an actual plan.  Not even the guys from Team A who bust on the guys from Team B for not giving a shit about the environment.  Neither team gives enough of a shit to come up with a plan, but only one team uses it as a talking point in their party platform, to bust on the other team.  It's silly and it's pointless but it's typical political bullshit.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4571 on: March 26, 2021, 08:13:39 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 25, 2021, 03:11:40 PM
Y'all should call your congresscritters and let them know.

For a cool million, I'll write an outline of a plan*.

 * Results and cost effectiveness will be estimates and not guaranteed.
You should just run for congress I'm sure some lobbyist will have a shifty way of getting it to you.Park benches,back alley's,Wharehouse loading docks
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4572 on: March 26, 2021, 08:40:59 AM »
there's no real plan, just invest in wind and solar

hope for a breakthrough on many fronts
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4573 on: March 26, 2021, 09:58:33 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 26, 2021, 08:40:59 AM
there's no real plan, just invest in wind and solar

hope for a breakthrough on many fronts
and pray it doesnt freeze
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4574 on: March 26, 2021, 09:59:38 AM »
We won't do anything that productive until conditions get really radical.  When there's 9 super-hurricanes in a year or 5 tornadoes erase Wichita off the map or Bangladesh, Florida, and most islands don't exist anymore.

The current reasoning is "it's too expensive."  And it is.  But also, things are going to get worse - way worse.  And only when there's a tipping point from "it's too expensive to do it" to "it's too costly not to" will any meaningful action take place.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4575 on: March 26, 2021, 10:01:39 AM »
An actual plan would be a paradigm shift of throwing away carbon-producing methods/actions/existence into one that doesn't.  Across the board.  A new way of living.  Simpler, and only adopting technologies that vibe in accordance with nature. 
Internal-combustion engine?  Gone.  Illegal.  You get $5 for every one you turn in.  Is that aluminum can produced with no carbon footprint?  If not, boom - gone.  Now drinks are stored in hemp containers or yak bones or whatever the hell.  Radical changes are the only way.  People don't want that, so it won't happen...until it must.

You know, hippy-silly BS like that. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4576 on: March 26, 2021, 10:02:32 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 26, 2021, 09:58:33 AM
and pray it doesnt freeze
doesn't freeze in Iowa at -28
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4577 on: March 26, 2021, 10:13:33 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 26, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
doesn't freeze in Iowa at -28
and what % of Iowa's energy is supplied by wind and sun
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