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That's my take, exactly.  There is no coherent plan, as I keep noting, so Congress will simply spend money to keep people quiet, and of course use it as a club to beat certain other politicians with it.  

Anyone who calls out this "Green Stuff" gets labeled anti-science or whatever pejorative can be used.

I'm game for that.  

Governments spend a lot of money to create appearances, garner votes, reward their supporters, etc. without doing anything useful or profuctive.

Yeah, it is a good sign that the Senate will throw money at a problem, which won't get solved despite that.

My mind get changed with data, information, facts, logic.  I keep asking for a plan.  I keep noting there isn't one, and why.

I'd be interested in seeing details on the % contribution of things like that, compared to heavy hitters like vehicular emissions, heavy industry, etc.  Maybe it's a bigger deal than I give it credit for?

Every little bit might help in theory, but there's only so much "mind equity" or "confidence cache" that people have, to follow directives.  So you have to make them count.

Focusing on the 1% instead of the 30% is not only minimally effective, but it's dangerous because it can exhaust your political capital and end up working against you.

We're seeing something similar in the case of Coronavirus.  For example, telling people that ANY face covering can be used in a mandatory situation-- telling people to wear scarves-- is just effing stupid.  It does no good at stopping droplets, and it makes people angry, so there's not even any marginal utility gained.

Instead, a focused effort should have been made months ago to tell people EXACTLY which face coverings are helpful, and then to PROVIDE those face coverings when possible.  Scarves and loose bandannas and masks worn under the nose aren't doing shit, and some people are rebelling because they KNOW they don't do shit, to stop the spread of infection.  It's not only pointless, it's dangerous and works counter to actual goals and real targets.

so, since our leadership is severely lacking........... no real plan, no good plan, no decent message, people have zero faith...

We're ALL screwed!

regardless of the topic.......... national debt, pandemic, health care, civil rights, global climate change, whatever

We're ALL screwed!

Yeah, pretty much.  It's the political territorialism and tribalism and identity politics, more than anything else, contributing to the inability to plan, message, and execute.

Honestly, we do surprisingly well as a country, given all of our current flaws.  

I've mentioned before, a real plan would lay out a course of action in some detail, how much it would cost, and how much that would reduce climate change.

Then we all could do a cost:benefit analysis and perhaps consider other ways of mitigating this thing that might be more efficient.

Instead, we just throw money at it, sign useless agreements, and pretend something is happening that is of consequence.  Maybe with a LOT of effort we could reduce global warming from say 3.5°C to 3.4°C.  With a LOT of effort.  If that were more widely appreciated as a fact (OK, I made up the figures), folks would be a lot more chary about these alleged plans and expenditures.

You can find what looks probably, best and worst case scenarios, on line in several places, and the best case scenario is very grim.  Forget about 2°C.  That has flown the coop already in realistic terms.  HAnd waving is not going to fix this.

For there to be any path forward, China and India - among others - need to get on board.

Asia has well over half of the world's population.

In other words, it's not happening.

That said, I'm not in favor of hampering our own economy when this is a battle that cannot be won - due to the inaction of others.

Sorry.

Amen. 

China and India are ruining the world. Literally. Africa is a cesspool as well. 

Blame it all on the first world though. We gotta use plastic straws here, when literally something like 94% of all plastic pollution in the ocean comes from 7 or 8 rivers, and they are all in China, India, and Africa.