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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2534 on: May 12, 2020, 05:20:52 PM »
Oh, I agree.  With the understanding that the government is intervening by necessity and that resources are therefore not going to be utilized very efficiently.  Because the government is always political, and political considerations typically outweigh all others.  If we were to somehow make it not political, which was the goal of the Progressives, it would be tyrannical.  So there will always be Solyndras, government-sponsored endeavors designed to enrich key political donors and bundlers more than to accomplish the purported objectives.
The vast majority of ARPA-E projects have been successful and the program has more than paid for itself. Solyndra gave it a lot of bad press, but those bad investments were minimal overall.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2535 on: May 12, 2020, 05:22:46 PM »
When I was working on "compostable polymers", people were optimistic too.  I was as well early on.  Gradually I started taking a hard look at "REALITY".  I got into trouble writing about REALITY.

And, I was right.  I got punished for being right.  That was not the only time that happened.

I was wrong my share of the time also of course, it helps with modesty and questioning what is really known about a topic, and what is spi, PR, wishful thinking, wind and solar, and a lot of hot air.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2536 on: May 12, 2020, 05:32:34 PM »
https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/curry-testimony-house-natural-resources.pdf

I find this to be an interesting perspective by someone who has credentials to match anyone in the field.  She may be wrong of course.

She at least is modest about what is known here.

Scientific progress is driven by uncertainty and disagreement; working to resolve these uncertainties and disagreements drives the knowledge frontier forward. Attempts by government policy makers to intimidate climate scientists34 whose research or public statements are perceived to be in opposition to a preferred policy narrative are enormously detrimental to scientific progress. I am making one ‘ask’ today: please allow climate science and the research process to proceed unfettered by political attacks on scientists. We need to acknowledge that climate-related decisions involve incomplete information from a fast-moving and irreducibly uncertain science. Uncertainty and disagreement is what drives the knowledge frontier forward; please help that process to flourish. Only in the most simple-minded policy making frameworks does scientific uncertainty and disagreement prescribe ‘no action.’ It is up to the political process (international, national, and local) to decide how to contend with the climate problem, with all of its uncertainties, complexity and wickedness. T

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« Reply #2537 on: May 12, 2020, 05:33:36 PM »
How close?  What solution?  Do "we" need to "do "anything extra?  Or will it just happen?  Shirley you don't mean ITER.

I didn't say we're doomed.  I said we will run the experiment and find out.  No one has presented any data based alternative point of view. 


Your questions are those of a pessimist.  But I'll bite and give you some optimism.

Fossil fuels are simply stored energy.  I believe that batteries (energy storage) are the real key to making viable "green" energy.  Battery storage continues to improve, as does the cost of battery production.  Who knows, maybe some government funded research in this area would produce something amazing.  Graphene looks like it could be an awesome capacitor, for example.

A Graphene supercapacitor is said to store almost as much energy as alithium-ion battery, charge and discharge in seconds and maintain all this over tens of thousands of charging cycles. link

I've already linked the progress being made towards nuclear fusion.  It really would be awesome if the US Government invested in more of this research.

Carbon capture systems continue to become more and more efficient, and will hopefully improve to the point to make a meaningful difference.  Again, would be nice if some Big 10 universities got federal grant money to pursue this topic.

We continue to become more energy efficient.  

There is a global effort to reduce carbon emissions, although it would be nice if the USA was on the forefront of this effort, instead of hindering it.  If we treat it like a joke, others will, too.

We continue to move away from oil and coal.  

There's more, of course.

I'm sure you'll put on your Eeyore hat when you respond to this post, and that's ok.  There are a lot of positive changes being made.  Put your tail back on.  Humanity isn't done for yet.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2538 on: May 12, 2020, 05:39:18 PM »

The world is not doomed.  We are very close to finding real solutions to climate change. 
You didn't say we might be close to some developments that could help, you said we ARE VERY CLOSE to finding real solutions.

Then you post some well maybe this and maybe that could help some a bit maybe down the line.

This is disingenuous.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2539 on: May 12, 2020, 05:41:47 PM »
What I see here is typical younger folks working in an area and being all pumped ip over and buying the Party Line hook line and sinker instead of asking critical questions and look at hard data and reality.

"WE are very close to finding real solutions."

And when asked what and by when, we get Fairy Dust maybe someday stuff.

I've seen it many times in my life, and it always always ends badly.

I base my judgments on hard data, not Fairy Dust and maybes.

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« Reply #2540 on: May 12, 2020, 05:43:08 PM »
Interesting word, "decimate."

It originated with the custom in the Roman army of punishing legions that disgraced themselves by executing every 10th man.
This should be implemented on Congress & Corporate - past & present - let's go 2 out of 10,have a lot of catching up to do
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2541 on: May 12, 2020, 05:45:35 PM »
Fossil fuels are simply stored energy.  I believe that batteries (energy storage) are the real key to making viable "green" energy.  Battery storage continues to improve, as does the cost of battery production.  Who knows, maybe some government funded research in this area would produce something amazing.  Graphene looks like it could be an awesome capacitor, for example.

A Graphene supercapacitor is said to store almost as much energy as alithium-ion battery, charge and discharge in seconds and maintain all this over tens of thousands of charging cycles. link
I've spent the last decade reading about how hard drives are dead due to SSDs (they're not because NAND flash doesn't scale well enough economically).

And I've spent at least half the last decade reading about all the breakthrough new memory storage technologies that are just around the corner of killing off NAND flash once they get out of the lab (yet they never seem to get out of the lab).

If something with the properties of a graphene supercapacitor actually makes it out of the lab, can actually be produced economically and in very high volumes, then I will cheer my head off for it.

But I've read too many hype pieces about technology that looks great in theory and in lab tests but doesn't have the ability to scale. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2542 on: May 12, 2020, 05:48:25 PM »
https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/curry-testimony-house-natural-resources.pdf

I find this to be an interesting perspective by someone who has credentials to match anyone in the field.  She may be wrong of course.

She at least is modest about what is known here.
Yeah, I've seen her blog before, and I've heard her make this testimony.

Let me translate.

"Oh, certainly the earth is getting warmer and has warmed from man-made CO2."
"There could be something out there we haven't found yet, though.  Which means the science could be totally wrong."
"It's the future, so, like, we don't really know and stuff.  Nobody really knows the future."
"So like, if we stopped burning fossil fuels right now it would probably be bad.  Cause, yknow, we don't have any other options and like babies would die and football would be cancelled forever."
"Well, is it worth babies dying for something we aren't even sure of?  Would be a shame to kill babies and then find out we were going to be saved by cthulu in 2050."
"Plus, like, the earth is super strong.  Cockroaches will even survive a nuclear holocaust.  Obviously there is no need to rush to judgement here.  Life will survive.  (in some capacity)."
"Anyhow, because we can't be sure, we should probably keep using fossil fuels.  After all, they've been writing my paycheck since 2007."


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2543 on: May 12, 2020, 05:54:08 PM »
You didn't say we might be close to some developments that could help, you said we ARE VERY CLOSE to finding real solutions.

Then you post some well maybe this and maybe that could help some a bit maybe down the line.

This is disingenuous.
Ok Eeyore.

If ya want to argue about the definition of "very close" then I will give you specific dates.

On December 12, 2049, cthulhu will descend from the heavens and will breathe in all of the excess CO2 and fart out pure oxygen, thereby saving the planet.  He will leave us on December 13th, 2049, but not before extending the college football season to 52 weeks.

Praise Cthulhu.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2544 on: May 12, 2020, 05:54:41 PM »
Well, once again, I question your reading comprehension abilities.

The ad hominem attacks on her of course usually are better worded and often epic because she doesn't quite toe the Party Line.  They don't of course address her actual comments and thoughts, they just go after her as a person, or "summarize" what they claim she said that of course she never said or meant.

To me, this is perhaps a sign she is hitting close to home.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2545 on: May 12, 2020, 05:55:36 PM »
Ok Eeyore.

If ya want to argue about the definition of "very close" then I will give you specific dates.
You made the claim, now you can't back it up.

Typical.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2546 on: May 12, 2020, 05:58:03 PM »
I've spent the last decade reading about how hard drives are dead due to SSDs (they're not because NAND flash doesn't scale well enough economically).

And I've spent at least half the last decade reading about all the breakthrough new memory storage technologies that are just around the corner of killing off NAND flash once they get out of the lab (yet they never seem to get out of the lab).

If something with the properties of a graphene supercapacitor actually makes it out of the lab, can actually be produced economically and in very high volumes, then I will cheer my head off for it.

But I've read too many hype pieces about technology that looks great in theory and in lab tests but doesn't have the ability to scale.
I agree 100%.  But it might be worth some investigation with federal grant dollars.  Maybe.

China is investing heavily into it.

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« Reply #2547 on: May 12, 2020, 05:59:59 PM »
Well, once again, I question your reading comprehension abilities.

The ad hominem attacks on her of course usually are better worded and often epic because she doesn't quite toe the Party Line.  They don't of course address her actual comments and thoughts, they just go after her as a person, or "summarize" what they claim she said that of course she never said or meant.

To me, this is perhaps a sign she is hitting close to home.
I literally went in order of her testimony...

Granted, I paraphrased.

 

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