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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2170 on: April 23, 2020, 12:56:26 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 12:17:20 PM
I love trees.  Tree cover in the US has gone up incredibly since 1930.
Well that's because from like 1870-1930 Logger barons were lifting landscapes like scalps
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« Reply #2171 on: April 23, 2020, 12:58:58 PM »
Yeah, the amount of eastern US logged over by 1930 is astonishing.  The Smoky Mountains were almost entirely denuded when it was established as a park in 1934.

Very little old growth exists in the east.
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« Reply #2172 on: April 23, 2020, 01:09:58 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 12:58:58 PM
Yeah, the amount of eastern US logged over by 1930 is astonishing.  The Smoky Mountains were almost entirely denuded when it was established as a park in 1934.

Very little old growth exists in the east.
There was a high fallutin shopping mecca erected in the last 15 yrs in upscale suburbia here.There were old growth sycamores,walnuts,ash,oaks,chestnuts,maples - Gone.It's a sight i really hated to see.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2173 on: April 23, 2020, 01:14:50 PM »
Was it true old growth, or just older trees?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2174 on: April 23, 2020, 01:22:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 01:14:50 PM
Was it true old growth, or just older trees?
Fairly certain it was mostly was old growth.Turns out my cousin knew the farmers who had the land in their family for well over 100 yrs.There were articles in some of the smaller papers around about the stands of trees.I'd be surprised if that lumber didn't go to the highest bidder.😢
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2175 on: April 23, 2020, 01:26:20 PM »
The old growth in the Eastern US is nearly all in inaccessible regions.  There are some small pockets around here and there.
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« Reply #2176 on: April 23, 2020, 01:32:08 PM »
This might have been here/there thing as much of the woods had been felled for farming.But some of those stretches/stands are now Trader Joe's,Starbucks,CheeseCake Factory,TGIs......you know - progress
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2177 on: April 23, 2020, 01:39:07 PM »
I hate cutting down even 20 year old trees for such "progress".  A build near us had some 30 year old oak trees on the sidewalks around it,  they cut them all down for an expansion.  I was pretty livid every time we walked by.  

Maybe the "expansion" will offer something of some value anyway, and I think they will replant, but with smaller trees of course.

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« Reply #2179 on: April 23, 2020, 01:44:20 PM »
I woke up to a snow covered yard yesterday.  I sure as hell hope this global warming called Spring gets here soon.
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« Reply #2180 on: April 23, 2020, 01:58:26 PM »
We've had periodic wisps of flurries the last couple of days.Strange winter/spring for sure,seems like just 30-40-50 since November  - no distinguishable season
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2181 on: April 23, 2020, 02:06:27 PM »
What I have searched for in vain is a "plan" to limit climate change, anywhere, that isn't just hand waving.

1.  Here is what would be done by this date.
2.  Here is the cost of doing it.
3.  Here is the benefit according to the model in doing this.

When I review the MIT Climate Group's various assessments, what I see is what I'm saying, it's simply too late, S is going to happen, and with a lot of effort and expense we MIGHT limit the impact marginally, maybe, off in the distant future.

The Paris Accord targets both won't be met in general and are not nearly enough to make a measurable difference in outcome.

http://news.mit.edu/2016/how-much-difference-will-paris-agreement-make-0422

Assuming a climate system response to anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions that’s of median strength, the three scenarios reduce the SAT in 2100 between 0.6 and 1.1 C relative to the “no climate policy” case. But because the climate system takes many years to respond to emissions reductions, in 2050 the SAT falls by only about 0.1 C in all three cases. Meanwhile, the rise in SAT since preindustrial times exceeds 2 C in 2053, and in 2100, reaches between 2.7 and 3.6 C — far exceeding the 2 C goal.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2182 on: April 23, 2020, 02:07:15 PM »
To me, this is somewhat like telling me I'm 20 pounds over weight, but if I quit drinking and work out each day for 2 hours and watch my diet, I can lost one pound in 5 years.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #2183 on: April 23, 2020, 02:12:19 PM »
That's no fun besides you'd look pekid
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