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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1666 on: July 14, 2019, 07:31:52 PM »
Those weren't scientists I suspect.    But scientists are human beings and some WILL be corrupted by money and power.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1667 on: July 15, 2019, 06:41:27 AM »
I have seen scientists consumed with the almighty dollar.  They went into management in the main in pursuit of same.

I've seen others "cheat" and be dishonest with their data often in hopes of saving face or generating more credibility.  It happens, for sure.  

I spent some time trying to look into how reliable our measurements of global mean temperatures are.  It's not an easy thing to measure.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1668 on: July 15, 2019, 06:48:54 AM »
Scientists are people.  They are quite capable of falsifying or massaging data to fit their theory.  There are many examples of this.  Scientist also compete for funding and as such cast their research proposals in the most shrill light, if you would, or just plain BS the funding agency.  This is common place.  My favorite example, besides Global Warming, was a proposal that was funded for millions of dollars by the US Army.  The proposing scientist told the army that it may be possible to fire a circular polarized laser into a cloud on the horizon and be able to tell if it was just smoke, or the specific type of chemical or biological agent.  In private and millions of dollars later the scientist would tell people that there was no way it will ever work.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1669 on: July 15, 2019, 08:40:28 AM »
Nobody here has denied that scientists can be and do wrong. Cincy and I have each said so explicitly. That a small number have bad habits and intentions. But you can't factually transform that from a story about how a few scientists are corrupted into the kind of grand conspiracy necessary to corrupt a *consensus* on climate change.

Most scientists see themselves functioning as public servants, content with modest salaries, staying more insulated from politics than the average citizen. By and large, the field has spent 400 years living up to that.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1670 on: July 15, 2019, 09:08:47 AM »
Fill a sealed glass bottle with sea water with no microorganisms, and air from 1700 AD air containing 250 ppm carbon dioxide and set it outside so it gets sun in the daytime.  During the day as the temperature of the experiment increases the concentration of CO2 in the bottled air will also increase.  The CO2 in the air will have a "normal" C12/C13 isotopic ratio.  After a couple days inject a little CO2 into the bottle that is all C12.  The air in the bottle will be C12 enriched.  If no further C12 CO2 is injected the level of enrichment will decrease over time.  If enriched CO2 continues to be injected into the bottle the CO2 in the air air will continue to be enriched in C12.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1671 on: July 15, 2019, 10:28:43 AM »
I plan to use my license in Florida, when I "retire" there.

I've got a 100 ton Master, so there are a lot of boats that I can captain, with unlimited passengers.
Great choice. Florida is probably the best state to live, in my opinion. Can't beat the year round weather and beaches. No state income tax and great home/asset protection laws. The latter part is the reason why OJ bolted out of California and into Florida.

Sure there's a lot of people, but still a lot less people than Texas or California. And much better weather and beaches than both of those states. Beaches in California suck, the water is too cold and there's just way too many god damn people in California. Not to mention the property taxes & state income taxes are ridiculous in California and home/asset protection laws suck.

Florida really can't be beat imo. What part of Florida were ya looking at?

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1672 on: July 15, 2019, 10:39:05 AM »
Specifically, Burnt Store Marina. It's between Punta Gorda and Cape Coral. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1673 on: July 15, 2019, 10:44:30 AM »
too hot and humid for me

too many people, especially from the upper east coast
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« Reply #1674 on: July 15, 2019, 10:57:11 AM »
Specifically, Burnt Store Marina. It's between Punta Gorda and Cape Coral.
Oh ok, so you're gonna be west coast. I've lived in Florida for 17 years and I've been all up and down the east coast and to almost every city from Miami all the way up to Jacksonville, to the panhandle & Tallahassee, and to central Florida- Gainesville, Orlando, Ocala). Never been to the west coast one time. How sad is that?

Can't speak on the west coast of Florida, but I can tell you from everywhere I've been my favorite area is still South Florida. Why? Two words. Latin. Women.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1675 on: July 15, 2019, 11:03:57 AM »
too hot and humid for me

too many people, especially from the upper east coast

It's really only super hot and humid during the summer. Weather is basically perfect from fall to winter to spring. Summer hits- it's hot as all hell and humid. But that's what shorts, short sleeve shirts, and AC were all invented for my friend. 

I'm from Detroit. I'll take the hot, rainy summers that last a few months over the excruciating, depressing freezing shithole buried in snow, sky always grey all day long, ice, shoveling snow and de-icing the car, and freezing your nuts off winters that run into the spring of the Midwest. Chicago had like polar ice vortex storms with -46 degree temps last winter. Uh, yeah, no thanks.

Not that many people in Florida. Only 21 million. You want to talk about too many people. Cali has like 40 million and Texas has like 30 million. There's way too many people in California and Texas, especially from Mexico.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1676 on: July 15, 2019, 11:36:59 AM »
The wife claims to like hot weather.  We looked a fair bit in Florida here and there.  The combination that struck our fancy was something we did not find.

I'm pretty flexible personally.  I wanted manageable taxes and decent weather.  She wanted a vibrant walkable urban atmosphere.  I had never lived in an urban area before and I find I like it a lot, so does she.  Access to a large airport is important for us as well.  Our kids come to visit a lot more often now, even mine when they lived in C-bus.  There is a difference between having to drive anywhere you want to go and being able to walk a few blocks.  It's not for everyone obviously,  Most folks in the area are young with young kids and lots of dogs.  I've never seen so many dogs.

Humidity today is 39% right now and a high forecast of 94°F.  Cincinnati is more humid than here routinely.

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« Reply #1677 on: July 15, 2019, 11:43:30 AM »
The wife claims to like hot weather.  We looked a fair bit in Florida here and there.  The combination that struck our fancy was something we did not find.

I'm pretty flexible personally.  I wanted manageable taxes and decent weather.  She wanted a vibrant walkable urban atmosphere.  I had never lived in an urban area before and I find I like it a lot, so does she.  Access to a large airport is important for us as well.  Our kids come to visit a lot more often now, even mine when they lived in C-bus.  There is a difference between having to drive anywhere you want to go and being able to walk a few blocks.  It's not for everyone obviously,  Most folks in the area are young with young kids and lots of dogs.  I've never seen so many dogs.

Humidity today is 39% right now and a high forecast of 94°F.  Cincinnati is more humid than here routinely.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1678 on: July 15, 2019, 11:52:26 AM »
The traffic here of course is a serious problem, but generally we avoid it by walking or only going somewhere midday.  My RE taxes took a large jump unfortunately but I found a law firm that says it will make an appeal for me for 45% of the value they save me for one year.  I gather they send comps and whatnot with legalistic jargon so it might work.  The downside is I paid more for this place than the assessed value.

We take MARTA to the airport unless we have a ton of luggage and it is hot.  Going to SF next month, probably will do Uber/Lyft,

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1679 on: July 15, 2019, 12:03:41 PM »
The traffic here of course is a serious problem, but generally we avoid it by walking or only going somewhere midday.  My RE taxes took a large jump unfortunately but I found a law firm that says it will make an appeal for me for 45% of the value they save me for one year.  I gather they send comps and whatnot with legalistic jargon so it might work.  The downside is I paid more for this place than the assessed value.

We take MARTA to the airport unless we have a ton of luggage and it is hot.  Going to SF next month, probably will do Uber/Lyft,
Traffic absoutley sucks here too. But hey, that's the price you pay for living in a desirable location. If you take a lot of Uber rides, the ride pass is probably the way to go. It's $14.99 a month but you get up to a 35% discount on every ride you take for that month. I have one for the Miami-Ft-Laud-WPB metro area. Damn near every ride in that tri-county area I take is 35% off.

They just opened up that high speed rail that Richard Branson's Virgin group partnered on that goes from downtown WPB to downtown Miami with a stop in downtown Ft. Lauderdale in about an hr and costs as little as $10 each way. Beats the hell out of driving and the train stations and trains are all brand new and beautiful. Supposeduly going to build high speed rail lines from WPB to Orlando to extend the route. Would be pretty damn cool to be able to take cheap, high speed rail from Miami to Orlando.
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