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FearlessF · « **Reply #1568 on:** July 09, 2019, 04:29:20 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on July 09, 2019, 03:28:32 PM

If medical school taught me anything, it's that - excepting those who are immunocompromised - bacteria are rarely to be frightened of. Just like nearly all of us carry MRSA in our noses to no (or rare) ill effect, coliform, staph, or listeria in our bags should be mostly meaningless. I wash my produce anyway. This won't change my behavior with reusable bags.

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some folks are afraid of their own shadows and have no idear what they should be afraid of

847badgerfan · « **Reply #1569 on:** July 09, 2019, 04:39:39 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 09, 2019, 04:13:45 PM

Fortunately, we are mostly resistant to common bacteria, else we'd be in trouble. A guy who worked for me got shigella, they think from "organic" tomatoes. He stopped coming to work for a few days until he was well enough to call. He said it was really really bad. They put him of cipro right at the time everyone was using it because of some outbreak of whatever it was, alleged, powder of something thought to be spreading around by terrorists. Anthrax.

Sometimes the wife uses the store bags and then puts the bags in our bags because she uses the others for trash under the sink.

This is what we do on weekends at the harbor. The store bags are perfect size for the garbage containers we have on board. The paper ones (I always get a couple of those too) make for great containers to bring recycled glass and aluminum home.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1570 on:** July 09, 2019, 04:41:19 PM »

I read once that 70% of the dry weight of fecal matter is bacteria. It's pretty neat that our colons are nasty little biochemical factories inside us. If those germs die bad things happen. We basically are a long tube surrounded by some other stuff.

The stomach is something like pH 1.5 and the small intestine is something like pH 8-9.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1571 on:** July 09, 2019, 05:42:06 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 09, 2019, 04:41:19 PM

We basically are a long tube surrounded by some other stuff.

Body plan evolution is such a weird story.

Although I don't mean to trivialize the landmark transitions of our unicellular ancestors or of single-celled algae into multicellular "balls" or into "cell sheets," once those sheet-like ancestors acquired the trait of being curled around to connect along two edges, for that species to be a tube (sort of like a pyrosome), things got the very weirdest, the very fastest.

From optimal surface area for filter feeders to incalculable body plan potential, as with vertebrates, there's plenty that's special about a living tube.

CWSooner · « **Reply #1572 on:** July 09, 2019, 09:28:10 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on July 09, 2019, 10:13:04 AM

Austin had a single-use bag ban in effect for a couple of years. It was fine with me, I just purchased a few cloth reusable bags and went on with my life.

I never dug into it deeply, but after all of that, there were studies that suggested that the amount of material and energy put into making the reusable bags, was considerably more than the single-use plastic bags. And, for those concerned about food contamination, the reusable bags also need to be washed regularly which utilizes still more resources and also limits their useful life. In the end, it might actually be less environmentally impactful to just use the single-use plastic bags. But I'm not sure of that, and even though the bag ban has been lifted, I still use my reusable bags. They're stronger and carry more.

It turns out that those single-use plastic bags are often used for a second purpose, like curbing the dog, putting liners in small trash-cans, etc. Banning them results in people buying more trash bags, which are made of heavier plastic, consume more petroleum, and are a bigger problem in the landfill.

EDIT: I see that others have made this same point, probably to better effect.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1573 on:** July 10, 2019, 06:04:31 AM »

The wife likes to use an insulated blue grocery bag, which is fine with me, as it allowed us to make a second stop on the way home if we have a perishable. Sometimes I put an ice brick inside it. Most consumers want plastic bags. We all can recall when they asked "paper or plastic" every time you went to the store. Before that paper was bad.

I suspect we individually put a much larger load on the planet than our use of plastic bags.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #1574 on:** July 10, 2019, 08:03:44 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on July 09, 2019, 09:28:10 PM

It turns out that those single-use plastic bags are often used for a second purpose, like curbing the dog, putting liners in small trash-cans, etc. Banning them results in people buying more trash bags, which are made of heavier plastic, consume more petroleum, and are a bigger problem in the landfill.

EDIT: I see that others have made this same point, probably to better effect.

Good points I haven't bought a liner for my small trash cans for years

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1575 on:** July 10, 2019, 08:16:23 AM »

Petroleum products include transportation fuels, fuel oils for heating and electricity generation, asphalt and road oil, and feedstocks for making the chemicals, plastics, and synthetic materials that are in nearly everything we use. In 2018, of the approximately 7.5 billion barrels of total U.S. petroleum consumption, 46% was motor gasoline (includes fuel ethanol), 20% was distillate fuel (heating oil and diesel fuel), and 8% was jet fuel.

Something like 10% goes into chemicals and polymers of some sort. Some synthetic chemicals are produced from coal, not that much.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1576 on:** July 10, 2019, 10:07:53 AM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on July 10, 2019, 08:03:44 AM

Good points I haven't bought a liner for my small trash cans for years

I used to simply hang the plastic bag on the door handle in the kitchen for cooking/food trash. The garbage can was a few feet away in the attached garage. I thought it very functional.

My daughters bought a trash can that I'm required to buy the expensive large drawstring bags.

Someday the oldest daughter will move out of the basement.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1577 on:** July 10, 2019, 10:10:08 AM »

https://www.iceagenow.info/confirmed-geomagnetic-reversals-can-trigger-glaciation/

Bomb-shell press release from Kobe University confirms what I’ve been saying for years, that geomagnetic reversals can trigger ice ages – perhaps almost instantaneously. I’m not sure that was the intent of the press release because it doesn’t actually use the words “ice age,” “trigger ” or “instantaneous,” but that’s my take on it. See if you agree.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1578 on:** July 10, 2019, 10:52:40 AM »

https://www.universetoday.com/140625/the-earths-wandering-poles-could-have-caused-the-ice-age/

May have been related to the major ice ages, perhaps not the more frequent lesser ones.

http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/images/gaia_chapter_4/milankovitch.htm

This fellow says we could be 20 years from a serious ice age.

https://www.iceagenow.com/Magnetic_Reversal_Chart.htm

Glad I moved.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121016084936.htm

utee94 · « **Reply #1579 on:** July 10, 2019, 11:51:39 AM »

Excellent points made by others about people buying more thick-plastic trash bags when the single-use bags were banned. That definitely happened to us, and that reminds me that was also part of the "equation" when folks did studies on the total environmental impact of a bag ban.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #1580 on:** July 10, 2019, 11:58:55 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on July 10, 2019, 10:07:53 AM

Someday the oldest daughter will move out of the basement.

Tell her about the small gator chasing the Rats that came up out of the sump.But now you have a puchased a Boa that will take care of everything

847badgerfan · « **Reply #1581 on:** July 10, 2019, 12:07:42 PM »

Even better would be for FF to sell the house and buy a one bedroom condo on a golf course.

Solves a lot of problems.

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