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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1190 on: April 25, 2019, 03:45:57 PM »
Hawaii was 27% renewable in 2018.  That is almost double the rate for the rest of the US.

https://www.hawaiianelectric.com/hawaiian-electric-companies-achieve-27-percent-renewable-energy-in-2018-despite-loss-of-geothermal

Renewable energy accounted for 12.2 % of total primary energy consumption and 14.94 % of the domestically produced electricity in the United States in 2016.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1191 on: April 25, 2019, 09:21:42 PM »
Badge: How about this: "You may vote when you are no longer being supported by your parents, and that includes your parents' health insurance"?


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1192 on: April 25, 2019, 09:26:25 PM »
By NPR   Tuesday, April 9, 2019
Are Plastic Bag Bans Garbage?
Greg Rosalsky

It was only about 40 years ago that plastic bags became standard at U.S. grocery stores. This also made them standard in sewers, landfills, rivers and the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. They clog drains and cause floods, litter landscapes and kill wildlife. The national movement to get rid of them is gaining steam — with more than 240 cities and counties passing laws that ban or tax them since 2007. New York recently became the second U.S. state to ban them. But these bans may be hurting the environment more than helping it.

University of Sydney economist Rebecca Taylor started studying bag regulations because it seemed as though every time she moved for a new job — from Washington, D.C., to California to Australia — bag restrictions were implemented shortly after. "Yeah, these policies might be following me," she jokes. Taylor recently published a study of bag regulations in California. It's a classic tale of unintended consequences.

Before California banned plastic shopping bags statewide in late 2016, a wave of 139 California cities and counties implemented the policy themselves. Taylor and colleagues compared bag use in cities with bans with those without them. For six months, they spent weekends in grocery stores tallying the types of bags people carried out (she admits these weren't her wildest weekends). She also analyzed these stores' sales data.

Taylor found these bag bans did what they were supposed to: People in the cities with the bans used fewer plastic bags, which led to about 40 million fewer pounds of plastic trash per year. But people who used to reuse their shopping bags for other purposes, like picking up dog poop or lining trash bins, still needed bags. "What I found was that sales of garbage bags actually skyrocketed after plastic grocery bags were banned," she says. This was particularly the case for small, 4-gallon bags, which saw a 120 percent increase in sales after bans went into effect.

Trash bags are thick and use more plastic than typical shopping bags. "So about 30 percent of the plastic that was eliminated by the ban comes back in the form of thicker garbage bags," Taylor says. On top of that, cities that banned plastic bags saw a surge in the use of paper bags, which she estimates resulted in about 80 million pounds of extra paper trash per year.

Plastic haters, it's time to brace yourselves. A bunch of studies find that paper bags are actually worse for the environment. They require cutting down and processing trees, which involves lots of water, toxic chemicals, fuel and heavy machinery. While paper is biodegradable and avoids some of the problems of plastic, Taylor says, the huge increase of paper, together with the uptick in plastic trash bags, means banning plastic shopping bags increases greenhouse gas emissions. That said, these bans do reduce nonbiodegradable litter.

What about reusable cloth bags? We know die-hard public radio fans love them! They've got to be great, right?

Nope. They can be even worse.

A 2011 study by the U.K. government found a person would have to reuse a cotton tote bag 131 times before it was better for climate change than using a plastic grocery bag once. The Danish government recently did a study that took into account environmental impacts beyond simply greenhouse gas emissions, including water use, damage to ecosystems and air pollution. These factors make cloth bags even worse. They estimate you would have to use an organic cotton bag 20,000 times more than a plastic grocery bag to make using it better for the environment.

That said, the Danish government's estimate doesn't take into account the effects of bags littering land and sea, where plastic is clearly the worst offender.

Stop depressing me. What should we do?

The most environment-friendly way to carry groceries is to use the same bag over and over again. According to the Danish study, the best reusable ones are made from polyester or plastics like polypropylene. Those still have to be used dozens and dozens of times to be greener than plastic grocery bags, which have the smallest carbon footprint for a single use.

As for bag policies, Taylor says a fee is smarter than a ban. She has a second paper showing a small fee for bags is just as effective as a ban when it comes to encouraging use of reusable bags. But a fee offers flexibility for people who reuse plastic bags for garbage disposal or dog walking.

Taylor believes the recent legislation passed in New York is a bad version of the policy. It bans only plastic bags and gives free rein to using paper ones (counties have the option to impose a 5-cent fee on them). Taylor is concerned this will drive up paper use. The best policy, Taylor says, imposes a fee on both paper and plastic bags and encourages reuse.

This bag research makes public radio's love for tote bags awkward, doesn't it? It might be weird, though, if we started giving out plastic grocery bags.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1193 on: April 25, 2019, 09:32:46 PM »
Badge: How about this: "You may vote when you are no longer being supported by your parents, and that includes your parents' health insurance"?


Why can I not quote a post, and why, when I try to reply, do I get the "Quick Reply" box that doesn't include any emojis?
hold shift hit refresh (or hold the shift key and hit f5).... I've been cleaning up some conflicting scripts and hope to have it whooped. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1194 on: April 25, 2019, 09:40:04 PM »
No sweat, Drew.  I know you bust your tail on this.  Thanks for all you do.
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« Reply #1195 on: April 25, 2019, 09:55:06 PM »
i actually find it fun... a lot of tiny moving parts that all contribute in concert with the whole... it's the concert part i'm struggling with right now.  just a few more loose ends and it'll be good and locked down not to be messed with again. 

speaking of weather climate and environment- the pool is at a decent temperature for swimming, and has been for a couple weeks.  it's funny to me and something i measure the seasons by- some years it is 75+ degrees by mid-march... others, it isn't until May.  it's dead on 'average' now...... y'all dig this:

my wife has determined she doesn't like the color of the pool for some reason... it's a fiberglass insert, likely 32' x 14', deep end 6'.... she's paid a company to 'eco-finish' it.  it amounts to a bed-liner by my reckoning...  spray on bed liner of some trendy color.  go figure. 

of course, this is akin to her asking all coy like if she could buy new plates for the kitchen... i considered 'what trap is this?' for a moment before inquiring about the budget for such a purchase... she said less than $200... so i confidently and assertively announced "certainly, wife, purchase your plates"...

gents, it was a trap.  don't you know cabinets have to match the plates?  cabinets>> counters... counters>>> appliances>>>>paint>>>>lights... $15k'ish later... grrrrr... so she is rhino-lining the pool... guess what's next? pavers... coming stones... stained and printed concrete..... and then, at least once a month, she looks me dead in the eye with a hint of disappointment and asks "why don't we ever travel anymore? why don't we have a huge savings account?"......

eh.... gotta love it. 


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« Reply #1196 on: April 25, 2019, 10:26:35 PM »
I had to explain to my i s c & a aggie wife that the reason she doesn't already have a new car, is that she spends almost twice a monthly car payment (for a pretty darn nice car) on trips to Costco, Target, Old Navy, and buying crap on Amazon.  I mean, probably 1/3 of it is legitimate household needs, but the rest is just really useless garbage.

She didn't believe me until I showed her the budget.  And then she did not appreciate my tone.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1197 on: April 26, 2019, 08:14:21 AM »
Costco is evil, very evil.  I own a bit of stock in COST to make me feel better about it.  We go in needing 7 items and come out having spent $500 and I think "Well, it helps their stock.".


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1198 on: April 26, 2019, 09:16:14 AM »
A decade of Victory over Penn State.

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« Reply #1199 on: April 26, 2019, 10:18:32 AM »
I think the best model I've read about for homes is not a stand alone battery pack, but using the car (EV) to provide backup power as needed.  If the variable power was in excess, the car would soak it up, and if it dropped, the car would feed it back to the house.  Of course you could wake to a dead car battery (almost).

I also think the Uber autocar thing is going to change our way of life a LOT in the coming decade.  A LOT.  My neighbors have both told me their next car will be an Uber.

Lyft whatever.

It's $20 to get to the airport on Uber and $5 to get there by MARTA, after a 5 block walk with luggage, some of that uphill.

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« Reply #1200 on: April 26, 2019, 10:44:38 AM »
hey, if your house drains your car battery overnight during an outage, at least the alarm goes off on time and you can simply click the app for an uber ride to work or wherever
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« Reply #1201 on: April 26, 2019, 11:49:17 AM »
Costco is evil, very evil.  I own a bit of stock in COST to make me feel better about it.  We go in needing 7 items and come out having spent $500 and I think "Well, it helps their stock.".
Yeah... I don't consider Costco to be "evil" in the sense that I'm regularly buying a ton of things I don't need, but I spend a LOT of money there... I ended up upgrading to the executive membership thinking as long as the 2% reward paid for the membership cost difference, I came out ahead. It ended up paying for the entire membership and then some.

Granted, where I live is a little different... I have about 5 Costco stores in a 10 mile radius. Extend out to say 25 miles, and there's probably 25 stores. So I go weekly, and it's where we buy almost the entirety of our meat, produce, and dairy. Olive oil, garlic, bread, etc. Not to mention good prices on beer/wine. Given that we cook at home on average a little over 6 nights per week, that ends up being a pretty damn big bill. 

I have been considering buying some COST stock, actually. I just haven't researched enough to really understand the investment. I'm assuming it's more of a stable "dividend-producing" stock than a growth stock, but maybe I'm wrong on that. But I could see it as a good hedge when some of my more aggressive technology investments (that tend to be cyclical) are on down cycles. 

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« Reply #1202 on: April 26, 2019, 12:00:13 PM »
nearest Costco is over 90 miles away

So I avoid that evil and find evil closer to home with other names
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« Reply #1203 on: April 26, 2019, 12:20:03 PM »
I think the best model I've read about for homes is not a stand alone battery pack, but using the car (EV) to provide backup power as needed.  If the variable power was in excess, the car would soak it up, and if it dropped, the car would feed it back to the house.  Of course you could wake to a dead car battery (almost).



I think that's a good model in many ways, but it has a lot of holes in it...

  • The general model for most EVs is that you charge your car overnight, which prepares it for the next day. 
  • If you're out and about during the day [when daily A/C load on the system is highest] and power goes out, your car isn't connected. So you have no protection from outages unless you're home with the power connected.
  • If you're using a variable source to power something in your house (solar/wind), the highest power output is during the day while your car isn't connected. So that energy isn't going into your battery.

A standalone battery pack is ideal for people who are putting in solar/etc and who live in places where it's not particularly beneficial (or heavily subsizided) to sell that power back into the grid. They can fill their batteries all day while they're at work, using zero power from the grid. Then overnight they can charge their EV off their stored battery power, using zero from the grid. 

I have my own issues with solar/battery packs [they make GREAT sense, but the cost to install vs the payoff period requires a lot of upfront capital that largely make them luxury items], but if I were a homeowner and knew I'd be in a single house for more than a decade, I'd definitely consider it. My last house [which I hadn't intended to leave, but had to sell in the divorce] was coming up on needing a new roof, and my thought was that would be the perfect time to add solar. 


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I also think the Uber autocar thing is going to change our way of life a LOT in the coming decade.  A LOT.  My neighbors have both told me their next car will be an Uber.

Lyft whatever.

It's $20 to get to the airport on Uber and $5 to get there by MARTA, after a 5 block walk with luggage, some of that uphill.

I think we're going that direction, certainly--for people who live in densely populated areas. But I think even in SoCal, the sprawl makes it tough. I live about 14 miles from my office. Assuming ~22 work days per month via Uber at [I just checked] $19 each way, that's $836/month just to get to/from work. And judging from my coworkers, my commute is average to slightly below average distance. And that's not counting the days I have the kids and have to factor in additional distance for dropoff/pickups at school, and that I'd need larger than an UberX to haul them around. Counting my car payment, insurance [estimate as I don't know the marginal cost of my car with the other two], and the $0.55 federal reimbursement rate for mileage [assuming gas / wear & tear], that's ~$900 a month and gives me 100% freedom to drive everywhere else I want to go--and at the end of my payoff period, I should still be able to get 4-5 more years of driving out of the car. And not only that, gives me a large, cushy, 7-passenger vehicle with more than enough room for my whole family and luggage. 

If I lived somewhere walkable and where parking was an issue, I could understand it. But we live in a world where we live where we like / can afford and work where we can get jobs that pay us what we want. 

I think there's a lot of value for a lot of people in stepping away from car ownership and going to a 100% ride-hailing / mass transit & perhaps an OCCASIONAL rental car existence. But I also think that people overestimate the ease at which you can live that way 100% of the time outside of dense urban city centers. 

 

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