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Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1176 on: April 24, 2019, 04:47:23 PM »
Plenty of security tests with hackers being able to remotely enter the vehicle's internal service network.  They've been able to remotely kill the engine, turn off braking capability, apply the brakes, and change the radio station which is what would piss me off the most, probably.  Just ask my wife...


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1177 on: April 24, 2019, 05:07:55 PM »
As long as I can shift into neutral, mechanically, I should be happy.  I saw those stories about hacked cars.  Shift into neutral you dummy.  Forget all that electromagnetic jazz.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1178 on: April 24, 2019, 05:15:38 PM »
Driverless cars could populate our roads tomorrow and there would be thousands of fewer auto deaths......but we wait and squabble and debate.
You could say the same thing about a national 10 mph speed limit.
Or raising the driving age to 25.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1179 on: April 24, 2019, 09:03:04 PM »
You could say the same thing about a national 10 mph speed limit.
Or raising the driving age to 25.
I'd be happier with the voting age being 25. 
Or 45. :)
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1180 on: April 24, 2019, 10:30:43 PM »
Tesla earnings came out today. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1181 on: April 25, 2019, 05:44:35 AM »
Right....except those aren't inevitably going to happen.  There aren't top corporations against the quick change that is possible because they might miss out on a dollar or two, so they delay. 


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1183 on: April 25, 2019, 12:25:11 PM »
Well, if you believe Elon, that demand is still through the roof and their production problems are completely a thing of the past... And that they'll deliver 90-100K cars in Q2 without cratering their ASP and margins. And that they'll have 1M robotaxis on the road in 2020. And that they're about to launch an insurance product of their own [another business they have no experience in]. And that their powerwall and solar roof is finally ready. And that they'll get the Model Y, the Semi, and the Roadster out on time to meet stellar demand. 

Yeah, if you believe all of Elon's forecasts, the future is bright...

Of course, if you fill one hand with on-time and accurate successful Tesla forecasts, and crap in the other, guess which one fills up first?

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1184 on: April 25, 2019, 12:34:59 PM »
I don't believe much of what Elon says obviously.  For Tesla to be a success today, I think they need traditional management, not Elon, at all.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1185 on: April 25, 2019, 01:08:52 PM »
I think the problem for the stock is that it's valued like a hyper-growth tech company, not a car company.

Which is fine if growth continues on that trajectory. But not fine if it doesn't. I know which one I'd bet on.

Fundamentally the company could survive, if they can find a way to operate more efficiently and improve margins. At this point it would probably take a Chapter 11 to really get them "right", because the SolarCity acquisition is a huge weight of debt hanging on their necks. But if they were able to restructure and re-optimize [probably without Elon], I think they could pivot into being a long-term automaker.

Problem is that their investors are trying to hang onto that hyper-growth narrative, because it's the only way to avoid going under. And they can't get the hyper-growth narrative without Elon's false promises, so they're stuck with him.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1186 on: April 25, 2019, 01:46:58 PM »
Could you just ignore any words from Musk and just go by what the company is?
I mean, the only reason anyone cares about Tesla or its stock is that it's POSSIBLE half the homes in the U.S. will run on a Tesla battery in 10 years or some such thing.  That's the "maybe" ceiling, isn't it?  Aside from the cars and the taxis and the tunnels, et al?


I'm under the impression their feasible battery tech is what makes the company a possible whale, no?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1187 on: April 25, 2019, 02:05:26 PM »
Only if any lead in battery tech is defensible. And if they have the R&D funds to extend their development. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1188 on: April 25, 2019, 02:54:07 PM »
On the energy storage side, Tesla is more focused on building utility-scale battery systems, like the ones that California has been and continues to deploy, as opposed to Powerwalls (ie. residential & commercial systems). The market for utility-scale systems is much more established at this point, especially in places like Hawaii and California that already have a significant amount of renewable generation.

That said, the market for batteries at commercial & industrial, municipal, and institutional facilities is growing. This is because their rate structures typically include time-of-use or real-time pricing (as opposed to a flat rate at all hours), as well as demand charges where the facility pays a charge based on its peak demand. This way, these facilities can charge the systems at night (when demand and electricity prices are lowest) and discharge them in the afternoon and/or evening.... Pumped hydro systems do this, as well, and hydro plants are increasingly being utilized in the evenings to mitigate the "Duck Curve" phenomenon caused by high levels of solar generation.

All that said, the value of residential battery systems is increasing, especially in disaster prone areas (eg. Caribbean & Gulf Coast due to hurricanes, areas of California most affected by forest fires) to be a source of backup / emergency power, especially if paired with roof-top solar. Otherwise, the economics aren't there yet in most places, but it's getting close. Some utilities are implementing time-of-use or real-time pricing as an option for residential customers (in California, it's becoming the default option), but that's not common yet.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1189 on: April 25, 2019, 03:18:34 PM »
Right....except those aren't inevitably going to happen.  There aren't top corporations against the quick change that is possible because they might miss out on a dollar or two, so they delay. 


***sorry but the "quote" function on the site has been really hit-or-miss lately, so this quoted no one....
you wouldn't believe the time i've put into finding and fixing this issue.... 

when you quote now, you'll have a blue box which should help some folks not type in the quote itself, but it will render as it did before.  

also, there is now a drag and drop feature, which works for text or pictures (though i haven't tested it extensively yet). 

I'm getting there.... I swear. 

 

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