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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1092 on: April 18, 2019, 12:37:27 PM »
Evidently people find them useful around here, so I doubt they go away.  More regs, yes.

It's mostly the young folks using them, which is a bit ironic in a way.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1093 on: April 18, 2019, 12:43:12 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 18, 2019, 12:37:27 PM
Evidently people find them useful around here, so I doubt they go away.  More regs, yes.

It's mostly the young folks using them, which is a bit ironic in a way.
They're "cool" and novel. Eventually they won't be cool anymore. 
The question is whether there's a sustainable business model there once the novelty wears off. If people aren't returning the scooters to where they're supposed to be, and the damage/maintenance costs start adding up, I'm not sure there's a business model there. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1094 on: April 18, 2019, 12:51:18 PM »
My understanding is they are intended to be left lying around wherever.  Folks come through at night and collect them and recharge them.  The next day they are all nicely lined up in various places.  I think many find them to have utility, not novelty.  My step son uses them often in SF he says.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1095 on: April 18, 2019, 01:13:12 PM »
They do have a lot of utility. Particularly for the first generation of kids in the US to have a lower percentage of drivers licenses and car ownership than a generation that preceded it (in the automobile age, obviously).

As a cyclist, I'm amused that people choose this more dangerous and less useful device for this kind of transportation over similar fleets of traditional or even electric bicycles, but that has definitely been the experience in cities where there is a choice. People are strange.

Either way, it is a low-cost and efficient means of transportation; all it needs is infrastructure to support it. While people are more than happy to lard the federal highway bill (and state equivalents) up with money to subsidize the single most dangerous form of mass transportation we have, the rare serious injury and the bumps and bruises related to scooters (and bicycles) turn into a big impediment to spending comparatively little on supporting infrastructure.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1096 on: April 18, 2019, 01:28:51 PM »
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/1/11/18178476/bike-lanes-complete-streets-renew-atlanta-tsplost-projects

Folks are trying some around here, but funding remains an issue of course.  Since I've moved to an urban environment, I am even less thrilled about new freeway lanes.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1097 on: April 18, 2019, 02:16:38 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 18, 2019, 12:51:18 PM
My understanding is they are intended to be left lying around wherever.  Folks come through at night and collect them and recharge them.  The next day they are all nicely lined up in various places.  I think many find them to have utility, not novelty.  My step son uses them often in SF he says.  
That is the intention.  But folks don't always "come through at night" and so they are sometimes left around for days. Others get sick of it and throw them in the lake.  As you can imagine, having your fleet thrown away is detrimental to profits. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1098 on: April 18, 2019, 02:23:58 PM »
I'm happy to live in a small town.

a small town located in the middle of no where

no transportation issues here

and plenty of fresh water and clean air
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1099 on: April 18, 2019, 02:46:05 PM »
A lot of cities (mine included--both where I live and where I work) are trying on bike/ped (which basically includes scooters) infrastructure. But it's remarkably slow in coming about, particularly because anytime you suggest taking a square foot of road or parking away from the cars people lose their freaking minds, regardless of what the research and traffic studies show. Also, a lot of transportation infrastructure is funded at the state and federal level because of the dollar amounts involved (not realistic to raise that based on city-level taxation), where the overwhelming percentage of dollars is allocated to the automobile. Small little slices of that would hardly be missed and would make a huge difference in the bike/ped budgets.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1100 on: April 18, 2019, 02:46:57 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 18, 2019, 02:16:38 PM
That is the intention.  But folks don't always "come through at night" and so they are sometimes left around for days. Others get sick of it and throw them in the lake.  As you can imagine, having your fleet thrown away is detrimental to profits.
True. And cars get left around at night and during the day, too. All the time. Everywhere. Yet no one seems to mind. Cars are harder to throw in a lake, though.

PS I'm a zealot. :-)
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1101 on: April 18, 2019, 06:18:18 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on April 18, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
True. And cars get left around at night and during the day, too. All the time. Everywhere. Yet no one seems to mind. Cars are harder to throw in a lake, though.

PS I'm a zealot. :-)
Cars aren't generally thrown all over the sidewalks.
PS-- I'm not so much a zealout, more of a curious contrarian.  :)
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1102 on: April 18, 2019, 06:39:21 PM »
Pot stirring abounds.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1103 on: April 18, 2019, 07:16:39 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 18, 2019, 06:18:18 PM
Cars aren't generally thrown all over the sidewalks.
PS-- I'm not so much a zealout, more of a curious contrarian.  :)
I think that Bird scooters, much like Tesla cars that do 0-60 in 3.2s, are pretty cool.
I'm just not sure either company is going to be around in 2 years without bankruptcy.
(If Tesla makes it 2 more quarters, they'll probable make it 2 years. But I don't give them that long.)
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1104 on: April 18, 2019, 07:25:37 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 18, 2019, 06:18:18 PM
Cars aren't generally thrown all over the sidewalks.
PS-- I'm not so much a zealout, more of a curious contrarian.  :)
No, cars are strewn--parked and abandoned often for days at a time--all over our public roads, sitting there, blocking our views, taking up valuable space, and covering it in mismatched, loud, and ugly colors, shapes, and sizes. And they can't be easily moved when they are in the way.
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People complain about a scooter or a bike on a sidewalk like it's the end of the world. "It's ugly!" "It's in the way!" "It's blocking the way!" Are you kidding me? Cars are parked all over our public roads, in the way, blocking driveways, ugly, and much harder to get out of our way than some 5-10 pound scooter, or a 30-pound (bikeshare) bike on wheels. It's ridiculous. We're just so used to it that it doesn't occur to us that cars parked on public streets are taking up valuable space and polluting our visual spaces. And they sure as heck are a much bigger nuisance when they "block the way" than some tiny wheeled vehicle that can be moved by almost anybody. GRRRR!
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1105 on: April 18, 2019, 08:08:55 PM »
stupid people that ride bikes on rural 2-lane highways are in the way, a nuisance, and endanger drivers and of course themselves

darwinism at work

then the county puts up road signs at encourage drivers to "share the Road"??

 
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