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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7756 on: May 31, 2023, 12:10:02 PM »
I think it is more useful to avoid the simple minded hyperbole we see in movies that is not part of any technical assessment of the risk.  We can bandy about notions like Orlando being a port city, but to me, it's not a serious discussion.  And sure, we COULD experience something rapid and dramatic with ice sheets at some point, that isn't something scientists are projecting in the next few decades, at least today.

That all is aside to the clear fact that we are not meeting our commitments, and the commitments are not enough anyway, and "we" aren't going to meet them.  Ergo, perhaps we should try and be realistic about all of this.  Instead, we have one "side" saying "we're gonna drown" and the other saying "this is all hooey, don't worry at all".


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7757 on: May 31, 2023, 12:11:08 PM »
The masses are dumb. 
People who think they are smart think the masses are dumb, but in fact, the masses average average intelligence.

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« Reply #7758 on: May 31, 2023, 12:20:10 PM »
People who are genuinely smart are going to find average intelligence pretty dumb.  
That's nothing to do with any one of us, it's just a fact.  
Conversely, stupid people will find average intelligence as seeming smart.
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« Reply #7759 on: May 31, 2023, 12:21:05 PM »
I think it is more useful to avoid the simple minded hyperbole we see in movies that is not part of any technical assessment of the risk.  We can bandy about notions like Orlando being a port city, but to me, it's not a serious discussion. 
Jesus Christ, I picked Orlando because it's a non-coastal Florida city people know.  It wasn't a precisely-measured attempt at hyperbole.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7760 on: May 31, 2023, 12:21:59 PM »
California residents can no longer submit applications for home and business insurance to State Farm.

The new policy went into effect May 27, but it does not impact personal car insurance. The company will continue to service existing clients for their home and business insurance. This means clients can make claims on property already covered by their insurance.


“State Farm General Insurance Company made this decision due to historic increases in construction costs outpacing inflation, rapidly growing catastrophe exposure, and a challenging reinsurance market,” State Farm said in a press release. “It’s necessary to take these actions now to improve the company’s financial strength. We will continue to evaluate our approach based on changing market conditions.”


In 2021, State Farm was the largest insurance provider in California collecting over $7.2 billion in premiums, but the company suffered a loss of $4 billion.

In addition to covering repairs made to personal property, insurance companies may also be required to cover living expenses for those displaced, according to the California Department of Insurance.

Wildfire firefighting agencies responded to 7,396 fires that burned 2,569,386 acres in California in 2021.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7761 on: May 31, 2023, 12:23:06 PM »
Jesus Christ, I picked Orlando because it's a non-coastal Florida city people know.  It wasn't a precisely-measured attempt at hyperbole. 
Yeah, and it was nonserious and dumb and contributed nothing positive to any discussion.

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« Reply #7762 on: May 31, 2023, 12:23:21 PM »
People who think they are smart think the masses are dumb, but in fact, the masses average average intelligence.

And honestly, are the masses really all that dumb? 

I think I'm pretty smart. I'm working on planning out my future life. Thinking about investment and my retirement, considering where I might or might not live if I choose to leave CA, trying to plan my career, etc etc.

If I had an amazing job opportunity in Miami, and everything personally would also line up, I wouldn't let concern about sea levels in 2100 stop me from accepting it. It's just on too long of a time horizon given that I'd be 122 years old in 2100, so I highly doubt I'll see it. And even if somehow I did live that long, I'm sure I would have signs well before then that would say "get the hell out of FL" and get ahead of it before it was underwater. 

Would you call me dumb if I moved to FL? I doubt it, because you'd be implicitly calling a bunch of posters on this board dumb for choosing to live there. Do we call OAM dumb for living in the desert? No, because clearly he had a job opportunity that made sense for him on a personal level. 

It can simultaneously be stupid to have a giant city in the middle of the desert relying on imported water to survive, and smart for individual people to move to that city. 

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« Reply #7763 on: May 31, 2023, 12:23:32 PM »
Teachers are badly needed all over the country, including Florida.

Why were you in a position to have to move to a desert?
Ummm out of college, there were zero teaching jobs in FL.  They were pink-slipping everyone and only hiring back some people.  Each job opening had like 40 applicants, and I had no experience.

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« Reply #7764 on: May 31, 2023, 12:24:26 PM »
back more than a few decades ago

some folks spoke about the San Andreas Fault and part of Cali breaking off the continent and there being new coastal cities

some of that might just have been wishful thinking
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« Reply #7765 on: May 31, 2023, 12:25:03 PM »
Yeah, and it was nonserious and dumb and contributed nothing positive to any discussion.
lol, sorry I didn't find the predicted sea level rise and then search through a list of FL cities by elevation to make sure I looked serious and smart to you.

Someone done pissed in your Cheerios.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7766 on: May 31, 2023, 12:25:10 PM »
I think there is an often tendency to "look down on the masses" which I take as folks thinking they are mentally superior to "the masses", who shop at Walmart and bought Bud Light before they didn't, and drive pickups, and are generally not behaving like some college grad living in NYC thinks they should behave.


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« Reply #7767 on: May 31, 2023, 12:25:29 PM »
back more than a few decades ago

some folks spoke about the San Andreas Fault and part of Cali breaking off the continent and there being new coastal cities

some of that might just have been wishful thinking
That's from the original Superman movie.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7768 on: May 31, 2023, 12:25:51 PM »
lol, sorry I didn't find the predicted sea level rise and then search through a list of FL cities by elevation to make sure I looked serious and smart to you.

Someone done pissed in your Cheerios.
Not hardly, you just constantly post idiotic false twaddle and then get mad when I call you on it.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7769 on: May 31, 2023, 12:26:18 PM »
I think there is an often tendency to "look down on the masses" which I take as folks thinking they are mentally superior to "the masses", who shop at Walmart and bought Bud Light before they didn't, and drive pickups, and are generally not behaving like some college grad living in NYC thinks they should behave.


You're so far off base here, it's amazing.  You're describing a culture war thing, not a simple bell curve of intelligence.
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