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Topic: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #252 on: October 21, 2019, 09:04:43 AM »
Saturday was the first time the Badgers trailed all season. They have now trailed for 0.01 minute this season. But man, this is the longest 0.01 ever.
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #253 on: October 21, 2019, 09:34:17 AM »
I don't think the actual margin of victory necessarily dictates how dominant Team A was against Team B.  It's totally reasonable to say that Team A dominated Team B 24-10 when they held on to the ball for 38 minutes and their defense came up with more 3-and-outs than they gave up first downs.

And Team A beating Team B 41-10 might not necessarily be the beat-down it appears to be as Team A was only up 1 score at the half, and if it weren't for a couple of bad second-half turnovers and some terrible punting it would have been a lot closer.

Yeah, that is a good point of course.  We've all seen some team win 42-7 when they had a 4-0 turnover margin and two kick returns for TDs, but gained fewer yards etc.

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #254 on: October 21, 2019, 10:46:41 AM »
Saturday was the first time the Badgers trailed all season. They have now trailed for 0.01 minute this season. But man, this is the longest 0.01 ever.
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #255 on: October 21, 2019, 11:11:24 AM »
Here's the caption to that ESPN clip: "With Tua Tagovailoa exiting the game due to injury, the No. 1 Alabama offense steps up and continues to dominate as the Tide handily beat Tennessee 35-13 at home."
That seems odd.  First of all, 35-13 does not scream "offensive domination."  If Oklahoma beat Kansas 35-13, everyone would be asking what happened to the offense.  As a matter of fact, OU beat Kansas 45-20 and it was seen as a disappointing offensive performance that put a serious dent in Jalen Hurts' Heisman chances.
Second, Bama's 4th TD came after they were held 3-and-out for their 3rd consecutive possession of the 2nd half, except that one of the Tennessee D-linemen was called for a personal foul because he pushed off the Bama QB in getting up.  That was a ticky-tack call at best.  That let Bama's possession continue, ending in a TD.
Third, Bama's 5th TD was a defensive score, the 100+ yard runback of the Vol QB's fumble into the end zone.
So Bama's supposedly dominant offense scored 21 non-controversial points, plus a penalty-aided touchdown.
I'm not making the case that Tennessee woulda/coulda/shoulda won except for official malfeasance and the fumble into the end zone, and I of course know that Tua left the game injured, which affected what Bama could do on offense, but I am taking exception to ESPN hyping Bama's offensive performance as dominant one.
For most of the better P5 teams, a 35-13 win over a bad team, with one score coming from the defense, would have been a "workmanlike" offensive performance.
So this is, to a degree a case of looking at things and taking exception more than real intent.

Look below that video. There’s six more, and based on the range of styles, there’s probably several hundred such captions written on a Saturday. And there’s not 200 people doing that. It’s probably a smaller group of overworked 22 year old.

Maybe all those 22 year olds just want to hype Bama. Most likely, they want it done quick so they write 10 more.

That site produces and hosts probably more than a million words a day. The ones they might focus on most are the good stories, not ensuring the furniture doesn’t offend a large scale group looking for something to be mad about.
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #256 on: October 21, 2019, 11:22:39 AM »
Yeah, that is a good point of course.  We've all seen some team win 42-7 when they had a 4-0 turnover margin and two kick returns for TDs, but gained fewer yards etc.
I agree that it is not just score, I'll give you an example from two games that my team was involved in.  This is the example I always use for this:

On October 28, 1995 I attended a game in Columbus in which the Buckeyes beat the Hawkeyes by 21 points, 56-35.  It wasn't anywhere near that close.  The Buckeyes absolutely dominated early and led, at one point by 56-0.  Iowa did an admirable job against Ohio State's backups, waterboys, and cheerleaders thus making the final score the modest three TD win.  

On September 23, 2006 I attended a game in Columbus in which the Buckeyes beat the Nittany Lions by 22 points, 28-6.  It was MUCH closer than that.  Ohio State and Penn State played a defensive slugfest for most of the game.  Each team had two scoring drives prior to the last few minutes.  The difference in the game was that Ohio State did better in the RZ.  Ohio State's two scoring drives were both for TD's while Penn State's were both for FG's such that Ohio State led by eight, 14-6 late in the game.  Note that this was still, at least possibly, a one score game.  Late in the game Penn State was driving for a potentially tying TD when they threw an interception that was returned for a TD.  The effectively ended the game by making it 21-6.  Then Penn State stopped Ohio State and got the ball back and promptly threw ANOTHER pick-6 on the very next play leading to the final score.  

I use those two games as my example because I think that really illustrates the point.  Ohio State's 22 point win over PSU in 2006 was MUCH closer than Ohio State's 21 point win over Iowa in 1995.  

One way that I try to think of it is by time rather than points.  Ie, if I were a neutral* fan, at what point would I have considered the game to be "over".  


*I say "neutral" because when my team is involved I stay interested long after the game is effectively over and I do this both ways.  When Ohio State has a big lead I am the guy still worried that if the other team gets a 90 yard TD, then an onside kick, then another long TD pass . . . we might lose!  Conversely, when Ohio State is down by a big score I am one of the last to give up, still calculating in my head long after everyone else has given up just how many hail mary TD's and onside kicks we need to catch up.  

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #257 on: October 21, 2019, 11:35:57 AM »
So this is, to a degree a case of looking at things and taking exception more than real intent.

Look below that video. There’s six more, and based on the range of styles, there’s probably several hundred such captions written on a Saturday. And there’s not 200 people doing that. It’s probably a smaller group of overworked 22 year old.

Maybe all those 22 year olds just want to hype Bama. Most likely, they want it done quick so they write 10 more.

That site produces and hosts probably more than a million words a day. The ones they might focus on most are the good stories, not ensuring the furniture doesn’t offend a large scale group looking for something to be mad about.
If the best that ESPN can do is have an overworked 22-year-old cranking out hype, then shame on ESPN, the supposed worldwide leader in sports coverage.
Here's a more accurate assessment, from CBS: "No. 1 Alabama survives Tua injury, beats Tennessee 35-13."  That is right on the money.
It's not rocket science.  If CBS' overworked 22-year-old can do it, then ESPN's should be able to as well, I think.

Heck!  Maybe the ESPN caption-writer meant to say "dominating defense."  That would make more sense.
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #258 on: October 21, 2019, 11:48:59 AM »
I find in general that headlines today fairly often misrepresent the contents of the article.

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #259 on: October 21, 2019, 11:56:33 AM »
headlines are created to produce clicks

many times misrepresent purposely to entice a click
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #260 on: October 21, 2019, 12:01:40 PM »
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #261 on: October 21, 2019, 12:02:13 PM »
Yup, though often I suspect it's incompetence and carelessness.  In sports, it's probably to elicit clicks.


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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #262 on: October 21, 2019, 12:02:45 PM »
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #263 on: October 21, 2019, 12:14:13 PM »
Saturday was the first time the Badgers trailed all season. They have now trailed for 0.01 minute this season. But man, this is the longest 0.01 ever.
In the Purdue Elite Eight game against Virginia, Purdue led when the clock hit 00:00. Unfortunately a shot was in the air.

Literally I don't know how you can get closer to a Final Four than leading when the clock hits 00:00 and still losing.

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #264 on: October 21, 2019, 12:14:48 PM »
ALABAMA HAS KEY INJURY BUT DEMOLISHES TENNESSEE ANYWAY.


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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #265 on: October 21, 2019, 12:15:26 PM »
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