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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on October 19, 2019, 08:09:28 AM
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Good morning all.
Wow, didn't expect THAT result last night. I thought the Cats would at least give them a game. Jeez.
OSU looks like an unstoppable machine.
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Going to a friend's house tonight for dinner. Might even stay there, because it's pretty far away. We're doing Italian. I'm making vittelo tonato and spinach ravioli in the truffle and butter sauce.
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My fam was supposed to go to Cedar Point, leaving me with a relaxing day of watching football. Now they are going tomorrow, so not sure what I have planned.
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My fam was supposed to go to Cedar Point, leaving me with a relaxing day of watching football. Now they are going tomorrow, so not sure what I have planned.
Do you have a smoker and a TV you could put outside?
Smokers need constant attention, ya know (wink). You can get out of a lot of stuff because you're cooking. :)
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Going to a friend's house tonight for dinner. Might even stay there, because it's pretty far away. We're doing Italian. I'm making vittelo tonato and spinach ravioli in the truffle and butter sauce.
Both amazing dishes, but I would drool over the ravioli!
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Man, how 'bout them Buckeyes!!
They look unbeatable at this point in time. Not even NU's knee-deep wet grass could slow them down.
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Good morning all.
Wow, didn't expect THAT result last night. I thought the Cats would at least give them a game. Jeez.
OSU looks like an unstoppable machine.
NW had moderate results running...about 3.5 per carry. All I could feel watching that was the dread of what the bad ass Badgers will bring. You will never hold them to that and even if you do, your probably not winning. I still feel John Clays cleat marks on my face.....
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It's been a long time since UW beat OSU. They will need their A game, and be at full strength. No injuries today, I hope. I fell asleep last night at 31-0 or so. Did the Buckeyes come out without anyone hurt? I read that NU lost a couple of DL, which couldn't have helped them.
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My fam was supposed to go to Cedar Point, leaving me with a relaxing day of watching football. Now they are going tomorrow, so not sure what I have planned.
Mine was supposed to do a Zoo Boo, but we woke up to 32 degree temps, so they decided not to. Of course I'm still sitting out here at a soccer game.
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It's been a long time since UW beat OSU. They will need their A game, and be at full strength. No injuries today, I hope. I fell asleep last night at 31-0 or so. Did the Buckeyes come out without anyone hurt? I read that NU lost a couple of DL, which couldn't have helped them.
The left tackle, Thayer Mumford, didn’t start (ankle). They started Nicholas Petit-Freire who was a highly regarded recruit. He almost got the starting right tackle job. Played “ok”...looked good at times, and struggled at other times, so Mumford came in for a while and was very immobile and thus ineffective. The regular backup, damn good player Josh Alibi, was unavailable ( undisclosed). We will have to see about next week. LB Baron Browning did not make trip but is expected back.
starting CB Damon Arnette, who is having a great year, had left MSU game in second half with broken bone in his hand, started and played well last night, until second half when he appeared to re- injure it. Replaced by Cameron Brown- athletic freak who has tons of potential but lack experience ( but has passed several more experienced players on the depth chart)
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Buckeye might be pretty salty
Cats not as solid as usual - tough year
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Another twist...Buckeyes played a ton of press-man last night, which is new. They had been running about 75ish% zone or pattern matching.
My educated guess is they did not feel like NW was a QB run threat. The coverage was elite level all night.
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obviously didn't feel the WRs were a threat downfield either
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beautiful fall day here - 68 degrees, sun, and a light breeze
the Huskers won't be taking a beating so a good time for the end of season clean out the cooler one-man scramble golf tournament
$1.50 drinks all day
I can't afford to stay sober!
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Mine was supposed to do a Zoo Boo, but we woke up to 32 degree temps, so they decided not to. Of course I'm still sitting out here at a soccer game.
Man I was supposed to be at one but my oldest sprained her ankle, so she can't play. It would probably be sportsmanlike to go anyway, but...nah
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beautiful fall day here - 68 degrees, sun, and a light breeze
the Huskers won't be taking a beating so a good time for the end of season clean out the cooler one-man scramble golf tournament
$1.50 drinks all day
I can't afford to stay sober!
How does a one man scramble work? ( I love golf so I feel kind of dumb asking🙁)
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Going to a friend's house tonight for dinner. Might even stay there, because it's pretty far away. We're doing Italian. I'm making vittelo tonato and spinach ravioli in the truffle and butter sauce.
I'll bing the Cheetos and the Pabst
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Man I was supposed to be at one but my oldest sprained her ankle, so she can't play. It would probably be sportsmanlike to go anyway, but...nah
Very good decision-making on that one.
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Do you have a smoker and a TV you could put outside?
Smokers need constant attention, ya know (wink). You can get out of a lot of stuff because you're cooking. :)
This excuse 94 uses almost got me into BBQ.Then Cindy sort of went vegan along with friends & family.Showed them a picture of Fearless Beef Ribs and told them that's what I want for my Birthday/Christmas - every year.The Horror
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Vegan?
WTF. We are made to eat animals, and some veggies.
Hunting (animals) and gathering (veggies) rings a bell.
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Man I was supposed to be at one but my oldest sprained her ankle, so she can't play. It would probably be sportsmanlike to go anyway, but...nah
When our younger one sprained his ankle we didn't go to another game.
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Man I was supposed to be at one but my oldest sprained her ankle, so she can't play. It would probably be sportsmanlike to go anyway, but...nah
Unsportsmans like Counsel setting a bad example.By all means go if the kid wants to.Buckeyes already played and you'll be back in time for the PSU/M tilt.Then you can strut around and proclaim the sacrifices you make for family social welfare.Next use that ammo for future scheduling conflicts - see we're here for you
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Vegan?
WTF. We are made to eat animals, and some veggies.
Hunting (animals) and gathering (veggies) rings a bell.
Ed Zachery - the Buckeyes will be eating the Badgers for lunch next Saturday for example ;D
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beautiful fall day here - 68 degrees, sun, and a light breeze
the Huskers won't be taking a beating so a good time for the end of season clean out the cooler one-man scramble golf tournament
$1.50 drinks all day
I can't afford to stay sober!
Now you tell me,I would have taken the "Red Eye"
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Now you tell me,I would have taken the "Red Eye"
You need planes, trains and automobiles to get to FF's place.
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I just had to put this here, for all to see. This is Sam's summary of last night's game between the Big Dogs and the Pussycats:
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Yeah I've spent countless hours "tending" the smoker. Great excuse to sit outside and drink beer.
The Aggie game and Longhorn game are on at the same time tonight. Not gonna be pleasant telling my i s c & a aggie wife that her game is on the little TV.
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Rich arrogant Texans don't own little TVs
I suppose everything is relative
the "little" 65 incher
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How does a one man scramble work? ( I love golf so I feel kind of dumb asking🙁)
usually, you simply play 2 balls, play what you cornsider the best shot
2 chances on each swing, might help with the putter
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My wife knows....once that fire is set, and the meat is on, that i should be doing something else. Dammit. I tell her to keep quiet about that.
Season ending volleyball tournament today. Then a rather large fall party down the street. I won't see much today.
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Friday highlights. Somewhere in between a 5 min conversation and review of which down it is by the refs Pitt goes into halftime w/ another dominating performance and 24-6 lead against Syracuse. They had 8 sacks by the middle of the 3rd quarter. Babers benches DeVito more out pity than anything. Then of course the 3rd quarter came, somehow Pitt is outscoring teams like 200-14 in the 2ndQ and getting outscored by the opposite number in the 3rd.
So anyway the backup QB is in and the Pitt D just continues the onslaught. Then for no reason at all Pitt does a safety blitz on 3rd and 15/cover 0 (its always cover 0 here) when SU is at their own 6. 94 yd TD. Backup Cuse QB then discovers the chuck it deep for long yards and/or PI offense (finishes up 8/23 for 175yds and 4 PIs - in Pitt's defense the reffing was really bad - worse than the Duke-Pitt game).
Pitt survives the 3rd and gets a FG in the middle of the 4th. SU is on their last legs late in the game when Pitt plays press man-to-man on 4th and 25 (which of course because as a child Pat Narduzzi liked to play with knifes; this one time he even severed his own artery and liked the adrenaline rush of being covered in blood and so close to death) the ball lands in Rochester but Pitt gets a PI and SU then scores TD to make it 7. Pitt then gets the running game going and is about to run out the clock, they aren't going to fumble are they? Oh don't give Pitt a dare.
I lol'd because at this point I had utmost confidence that Pitt is going to win this. Because lately we've gotten pretty good at pulling out the stupidest games in the most stupid way possible. And whatdayaknow, despite 0 angles to confirm that it wasn't a fumble the ACC random number review generator gave Pitt the ball back. 27-20.
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headed to Miles Inn for a frosty schooner of beer, then to the golf course
FORE!!!
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My wife knows....once that fire is set, and the meat is on, that i should be doing something else. Dammit. I tell her to keep quiet about that.
Season ending volleyball tournament today. Then a rather large fall party down the street. I won't see much today.
I'm sure in you "neighborhood" some one could swing a TV outside - just guessin'
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headed to Miles Inn for a frosty schooner of beer, then to the golf course
FORE!!!
Damn no matter what time of day you say that it always sounds good
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You need planes, trains and automobiles to get to FF's place.
Trains are to fast and all shut up for aerodynamics/wind drag now.I can't jump the things anymore :o,that and I'm old
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What's wrong with that guy? The biggest advantage of not going to Michigan is not having to date UM girls
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Burgers tonight. Of course, we're doing the low carb thing this month so the kids get buns while the wife and I get lettuce wrap...
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Burgers tonight. Of course, we're doing the low carb thing this month so the kids get buns while the wife and I get lettuce wrap...
I like my burgers with no bun. Low carb trend or not.
There's this one joint that I used to go to all the time. Probably once per week for about 20 years. One of these days I'm going to go there and demand all of my buns that I paid for but didn't get. Probably put them out of business.
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Just did a practice test for the front half of the PE. Pleasantly surprised that I want caught flat footed.
The rest of the guys in my season ticket group are on the way to Rutgers this morning from their hotel outside Philadelphia.
Showers here in MSP but the sun will come out and it will be a beautiful fall day.
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What's wrong with that guy? The biggest advantage of not going to Michigan is not having to date UM girls
yeah, I love Ann Arbor. Really cool little big city downtown vibe, lot's of nice restaurants, shops, lots of stuff to do. It'd be a great place to live for sure. But the women are definitely lacking. Like....a lot. Bunch of uggos. Nothing compares to Miami in that department in my opinion, not even Vegas or LA. Only place that does is New York, but that's only because New York is so much bigger. Per capita Miami has got them smoked in smoking hot women.
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Beautiful, crisp fall morning. I mowed my mom’s grass (hopefully for the last time this year) this morning and now I’m settled in to watch WVU spoil OU’s NC dreams.
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On the first Purdue drive, Iowa didn't record a sack, but they sure had Plummer running for his life...
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Purdue down 6-0,but at least they're forcing Iowa to settle for field goals. Now let's see some offense...
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Not if the refs are going to screw us. Anderson was obviously down.
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TV setup at the sports bar:
Iowa State @ Texas Tech
Purdue @ Iowa
Florida @ South Carolina
Clemson @ Louisville
WVU @ Oklahoma
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yeah, I love Ann Arbor. Really cool little big city downtown vibe, lot's of nice restaurants, shops, lots of stuff to do. It'd be a great place to live for sure. But the women are definitely lacking. Like....a lot. Bunch of uggos. Nothing compares to Miami in that department in my opinion, not even Vegas or LA. Only place that does is New York, but that's only because New York is so much bigger. Per capita Miami has got them smoked in smoking hot women.
Dallas is underrated
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Not if the refs are going to screw us. Anderson was obviously down.
Hate those plays. Not enough evidence to overturn, so a bad call stands.
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His forward progress had been stopped as well.
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10-7 Badgers. First TD allowed in the first half.
This year.
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Iowa held to another FG. 9-0.
Let's see if Purdue can get some points with a little over 2 minutes remaining before the half.
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Bell is living up to the hype at every phase of the game. Kid is smooth. Awesome player.
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9-7 Iowa.
Without that terrible red zone fumble call Purdue could easily be leading this 10-9 or 14-9.
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I'm sure in you "neighborhood" some one could swing a TV outside - just guessin'
Yes, I have a TV in my screened porch, so it is right there with the smoker and grill area.
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Badgers looking sloppy today. 13-7 but should be more.
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Yes, I have a TV in my screened porch, so it is right there with the smoker and grill area.
Just like your old place.
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Purdue doing exactly what they need. Iowa dominating TOP but with only 33 offensive snaps, Purdue can keep the defense fresh. Getting 3rd down stops to force FG instead of TD. Two strong drives, even if one ended in a TO.
This one is within reach at the half, which is all a Purdue fan can ask for when 18 point dogs.
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Badgers dodge the bullet there
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Did Illinois hire James Franklin's clock advisor?
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Just like your old place.
Yes, same TV. The set up is improved.
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Bell is living up to the hype at every phase of the game. Kid is smooth. Awesome player.
Stud. Everyone wanted that guy.
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Stud. Everyone wanted that guy.
Can't wait for Moore to be healthy. Bell, Moore, Hopkins and Anderson all on the field together will just terrorize opposing defenses. Go 5 wide and add in Wright? That's a defensive coordinator's nightmare.
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10-7 Badgers. First TD allowed in the first half.
This year.
Doesn't matter who you've played....that is a super impressive stat.
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Another Purdue turnover. Bad decision by Plummer.
Now Iowa is driving. Can Purdue force another FG?
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Bad decision probably, but the throw is what did him in. Definitely need more air on it.
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Badgers dodge the bullet there
Wow. Where is mcwterps? We need an advocate for Illinois against the refs here.
1) Wisconsin has a pretty clear QB fumble, replay shows him grabbing for the ball with his 2nd hand, that isn't done when throwing. Call goes Badgers way. Could have been an Illinois fumble recovery.
2) Almost the same thing happens to the 'noise QB, but, he doesn't grab at the ball and the pass travels forward, ie seems more like a forward pass than The Wisconsin play just seconds before. Refs rule that a fumble, luckily recovered by Illini, but loss of yards, and effectively ends a drive.
3) Illinois gets a great TD called back because their Center wiffs on a block and stumble falls forward past the 3 yard barrier. I mean yes, I guess technically it's a penalty, but he touched no one, and fell on his arse. Seems more like something you laugh at in the film room, than call a TD back for.
Wisconsin is totally a better team, if Illini has any chance those close calls need to go there way. I fully expect the Badgers to come out and crush it the 2nd half.
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Damn. 16-7 now. Purdue made that drive too easy for Iowa.
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And that's probably the game. Hate to be a downer but giving Iowa great field position again means that without a turnover, I don't think Purdue can come back in a 2 score game.
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Florida ties it up Vs South Carolina on long TD run. Looks like officials missed an obvious hold. Otherwise the Gamecocks look strong. Should they beat Florida in addition to Georgia win last week, that’s a complete change of season for South Carolina and resurrects Muschamp’s tenure.
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I may switch over to that Cocks Gator game, the better teams in the B1G are starting to pull away.
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Yep . Still 16-7 but this one is over.
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And that's probably the game. Hate to be a downer but giving Iowa great field position again means that without a turnover, I don't think Purdue can come back in a 2 score game.
That's realistic. I feel the same way.
That so called "fumble" really changed the complexion of this game.
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Offense still sloppy in the 2nd half. Defense has been fairly strong so far.
Lots of stuff to clean up this week.
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Purdue pick! 1st and goal!
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Damn. Can't capitalize . Kick a FG down 12 points, and it remains a two possession game.
I don't think we'll get two more possessions.
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Switched back just in time to see Illinois run for 43 yards and a TD. Flag was thrown, and all of the Illini just assumed it was on them, acting dejected, asking what happened. Offside Wisconsin, to see the grins or relief for Illinois made me smile.
Wisconsin 20 Illinois 14. Start of the 4th
I missed something I thought Wisconsin had 23, did I imagine a field goal?
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WTF is going on in Champaign?
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Purdue with a stop. Getting the ball back with 9 minutes remaining.
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Let's hope Plummer has settled down. He's looked shaky all half.
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WTF is going on in Champaign?
Illinois playing very tough, and very little imagination by CPC on the offensive play calling.
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Ugly way for the defense to go out. Just lay down and die to make it a 13 point game.
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Holy Illini
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Holy Illini
Taylor with a Fumble, Illinois takes only a minute to score a TD. 2 point game, 6 minutes left.
How this game is playing out worries me. Wisconsin is playing a full 60 minute game, OSU hasn't done that yet. I fully expect next weeks game to go the distance. Advantage Badgers.
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I know how you feel USC fans.
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Well, Purdue still has a pulse
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Illin!
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INTERCEPTED!
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!llin!
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Wisconsin deserves to lose this. Illinois came to play today. UW with 3 turnovers, and on the road, that's how you lose.
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!!!!n!
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all right number one defense in the nation. 40 seconds and 10 yards is what you got to stop to hold onto the win.
EDIT: and there is those 10 yards.
He missed one earlier today though right?
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Whoa. I cannot believe that this is going to come down to a very make-able field goal attempt.
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Did Illinois hire James Franklin's clock advisor?
Yikes x2
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Wow.
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I feel sorry for OSU fans. Was hoping to see two unbeaten teams next weekend. Not meant to be.
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O M Goodness!
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Well that puts a damper on Big Nude Saturday
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I feel sorry for OSU fans. Was hoping to see two unbeaten teams next weekend. Not meant to be.
Maybe out of compassion you'll rest your starters next week
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I feel sorry for OSU fans. Was hoping to see two unbeaten teams next weekend. Not meant to be.
Don't feel sorry for this fan. I know the Badgers are still an incredible team.
Now the question becomes, how does Wisconsin respond? the last 2 years when OSU had a wtf loss? they opened a can of whoop ass the next week? Is that angry hornets nest what OSU will face next week?
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I love the Lovie cheers.
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Damn just seeing this,well UW shouldn't be to tight next week - but the Illini?Not gonna help tOSU's SoS,but just win baby
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Don't feel sorry for this fan. I know the Badgers are still an incredible team.
Now the question becomes, how does Wisconsin respond? the last 2 years when OSU had a wtf loss? they opened a can of whoop ass the next week? Is that angry hornets nest what OSU will face next week?
Exactly. Not what I wanted to see, with the exception of I like Lovie. Nothing worse than a pissed off Badger.
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Wow, who saw that coming?
CFB.
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Wow, who saw that coming?
CFB.
I had a bad feeling. I know the kids like to talk about "no switch" and all that stuff, but, human nature.
Credit Illinois. Lovie outcoached Paul Chryst. Lots to not like about the play calling today, and lots to absolutely HATE about his clock management at the end of the game. Why take timeouts and give Illinois time to think?? Save the TO's to ice the kicker and all that.
I could go on and on. Terrible game for UW. Just terrible.
At least we're gonna eat good later. Probably should start drinking now!!
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Not good for the Big Ten or Ohio State, but can't help it, enjoy seeing it.
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I had a bad feeling. I know the kids like to talk about "no switch" and all that stuff, but, human nature.
:96: But you've assured me, time and time again, that players always play their best!
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:96: But you've assured me, time and time again, that players always play their best!
I think they did. You could see it. The coaches let them down.
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Joe Moorhead heard he might get consigned to Rutgers and got his guys ready to play
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:96: But you've assured me, time and time again, that players always play their best!
There's a difference between playing your best and trying your hardest.
Wisconsin tried their hardest, they just didn't play their best, it happens.
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Not good for the Big Ten or Ohio State, but can't help it, enjoy seeing it.
Why? As long as OSU takes care of business, it don't matter what the rest of the conference does.
Clemson will be in the playoff even though not a single other ACC team is ranked...
If the goal is to make the playoff, you want one dominate team, and a bunch of body bags. See Alabama, and Clemson
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Well, I guess that throw is why Eason is an NFL prospect.
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Why? As long as OSU takes care of business, it don't matter what the rest of the conference does.
Clemson will be in the playoff even though not a single other ACC team is ranked...
If the goal is to make the playoff, you want one dominate team, and a bunch of body bags. See Alabama, and Clemson
Right. If OSU ends the season undefeated, they will be in the CFP.
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Were they prepping for OSU all week?
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We marched to the semis in our vball tour and proceeded to get buzz sawed. Kids are kids, and while they are warming up, they begin to see the 'red team' walk in, mostly 6th graders in a 5/6 league, girls which are 'developed' let's say. I coached a couple of them a few years ago. My kids, all 5th, and 1 6th, are like 'oh, they serve really hard. ' I really wanted to take them outside and let them have it (I didn't), but they were visibly defeated in warm ups. At any rate, they did settle down, once it was 14-3 in set one, and finished admirably, in the second set. The one 6th grader we have, has a prosthetic leg, she gives it her all, and really out hustled everybody, made some great saves. Love that kid, never played before, such a great example. Really nice group of kids.
I then pull out my phone in the parking lot and see all these foulmouthed texts from my WI friends. I had to watch the Sooner Schooner clip first, but then was startled with the Ill score. The one text that stood out "Heisman RB and you give it to a FB twice at the 3?' Didn't see that one coming.
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Probably should start drinking now!!
Atta boy got lemons make lemonade
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Why? As long as OSU takes care of business, it don't matter what the rest of the conference does.
Clemson will be in the playoff even though not a single other ACC team is ranked...
If the goal is to make the playoff, you want one dominate team, and a bunch of body bags. See Alabama, and Clemson
Cites Alabama, when the SEC is the only conference to get 2 teams in......
Your argument completely eliminates eye test, yet I doubt you'd put the playoff teams decision in the 'hands' of computers or another perfectly objective entity. I swear, the subject could be the width of the referees stripes on his shirt, and you guys will find a way to bitch about or insult the SEC.
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Was enjoying watch Burrow/LSU carve up Mississippi State. Then Danielson said “Can you imagine if Burrow had stayed at Ohio State, and played in the Jim Tressel offense.”
Yes, he actually said that. As if he doesn’t know that the year in question, Haskins threw over 500 passes for over 4800 yards and 50 touchdowns. What a shill.
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Burrow could've been at Nebraska (hell, Riley might still be there). Yuck.
too much CFP garbage talk on this page, supposed I should just ignore it. Enjoy the games guys.
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The Oregon Washington game ain't bad
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I had been away from the TV much of the day, and sometimes out of touch with radio as well, so I hadn't been able to keep up on the scores. Then I was listening to the Sooners postgame on the radio and the OU play-by-play guy was talking about playing hard and smart on every down of every game. Because look at South Carolina and Georgia. Because look at Illinois and Wisconsin??!!
You could have knocked me over with a feather. I had seen Wisconsin, even at #6, as the sleeper team in the CFP discussion. But multiple turnovers and multiple wasted scoring opportunities will do in even great teams.
Are there any Illinois fans here to congratulate? If so, congratulations. It's got to be the program's biggest win in a long time. Since 2007, maybe?
Condolences to the Badger fans on the board. Now it's a gut-check for the team. Will it come out with an open can of whoop-ass against the Buckeyes next week, or will the players still be focused on how they let this one get away?
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Joe Moorhead heard he might get consigned to Rutgers and got his guys ready to play
it’s a lost season for Mississippi State given how many unspoken suspension have to play out. I’d be surprised if they reached a Bowl. If I were Moorhead I’d tank the games I knew I was going to lose (LSU, Auburn, Bama) by using suspensions against those teams and saving the strength of the roster for teams (Ole Miss, Arkansas) easier time beat.
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Oregon comes back and preserves playoff hopes
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It makes me angry that Purdue is 2-5 and IU is 5-2. :38:
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Why'd the weeknight megathread get locked?
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Georgia not looking to inspired
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Any one ever heard of BCGs? The expression for the Government-issued glasses one wears in military Basic Training? As in Birth Control Glasses?
Harbaugh wears them.
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I hate watching highlights of other big ten offenses.
Too many of them "feature" the Purdue defense.
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Cites Alabama, when the SEC is the only conference to get 2 teams in......
Your argument completely eliminates eye test, yet I doubt you'd put the playoff teams decision in the 'hands' of computers or another perfectly objective entity. I swear, the subject could be the width of the referees stripes on his shirt, and you guys will find a way to bitch about or insult the SEC.
My bad, 2 good teams and a bunch of Body Bags. 'bama only plays 8 conference games, and intentional weak OOC, and locked in with Dumpster Fire Tenn.
What argument? I made a know statement of fact; it's better to be undefeated than play a tough schedule.
If you don't like the conversation you are more than welcome to leave. :72:
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It makes me angry that Purdue is 2-5 and IU is 5-2. :38:
I think basketball season will help rectify that. If Archie gets this group to the NIT hell win Big Ten COTY on his way out the door
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Was enjoying watch Burrow/LSU carve up Mississippi State. Then Danielson said “Can you imagine if Burrow had stayed at Ohio State, and played in the Jim Tressel offense.”
Yes, he actually said that. As if he doesn’t know that the year in question, Haskins threw over 500 passes for over 4800 yards and 50 touchdowns. What a shill.
He is with out a doubt the saddest suck up I've heard/listened/read.Have some dignity and get off your knees.Think of the family
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Harbaugh calls TO on first play from scrimmage?!?!
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Condolences to the Badger fans on the board. Now it's a gut-check for the team. Will it come out with an open can of whoop-ass against the Buckeyes next week, or will the players still be focused on how they let this one get away?
Sorry dirt burglars gonna have to do the dirty work themselves
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That's a weird punt from Michigan
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Sorry dirt burglars gonna have to do the dirty work themselves
I've liked the Badgers since I was 8 years old, so I was hoping--as usual--that they'd win the B1G.
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Michigan's new offense rules.
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Back to Back dimes by Clifford
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Two well placed throws in a row - tough to defend w/o interferring.Nice catches also
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UM LBs covering downfield. Is it 2017?
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DPJ thats twice gotta hang onto that.Like Eubanks just did
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Michigan's new offense rules.
Michigan’s Offense deserves to be officially sponsored...by ED meds.
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That should have been a flag against us... our corner was mounting the receiver a full half second before the ball was there.
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Bad officiating changing the entire game.
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Michigan is jumping offside a lot, but our line is slow reacting. One of these times it may end up being called a false start.
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Michigan in a hole despite being in PSU territory on both their drives
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Micah Parsons is everywhere tonight
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TTUN looks bad.
Anyone hop over to the skycam channel ESPN offers? I haven't been to Happy Valley in 20 years. Their stadium speakers are obnoxious, out of sync, and used on every play, with an over-hyped announcer babbling all the time through the hype music. Is it really that bad in person?
(I remember that Cat Roar getting used way too much, but don't recall much else of the sound system.)
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Patterson is seeing ghosts out there on some of these drop backs.
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Michigan's hole is getting bigger
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Michigan looks like pond scum right now. How hot is Little Jimmy's seat with Notre Dame coming to town next week?
21-0 and the Nits are rolling...
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Oh Boy, this looks bad.
Will PSU win by more than 38-0?
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Good thing home field advantage is only a three point swing.
11/3/2018
Ann Arbor, MI
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42
10/21/2017
State College, PA
42
13
9/24/2016
Ann Arbor, MI
10
49
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Aaaaaand Kentucky gets its first passing yards with 4 min to go vs UGA. I'm glad I'm too young to remember early 80s football, because I think this has been it. UGA's Fromm has 35 yds passing in a constant downpour. Lots of handing the ball off and punting. 0-0 at half, UGA in control now.
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Holy crap what a concentration play there
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Man Heck of a touchdown called back for Michigan
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That's a break for Penn State. This has been by and far Michigan's best drive.. they just need to get out of their own way.
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Nice play there and Michigan can glimpse getting back in this game
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My bad, 2 good teams and a bunch of Body Bags. 'bama only plays 8 conference games, and intentional weak OOC, and locked in with Dumpster Fire Tenn.
What argument? I made a know statement of fact; it's better to be undefeated than play a tough schedule.
If you don't like the conversation you are more than welcome to leave. :72:
Or we could have a conversation. Encouraging the other side to leave is how things become so polarized. I don't want us to retreat back into our bubbles, why do you?
If playing 9 conference games is so damning, isn't it stupid to continue playing 9 conference games? Bitching for another conference to do it the harder way like the B10 does isn't a very persuasive argument, is it?
The SEC is 7-2 in the Citrus Bowl vs the B10 since Saban won his first NC at Bama. Maybe 8 SEC games = 9 B10 games? Nah, that's just me being snarky...but at least I'm willing to continue communicating. :96:
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I will say the SEC caving to 4 programs' needing the permanent crossover "rival" is BS and holds the rest of the conference hostage. That's a valid point.
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Michigan D looks like it's waking up.. not good. Hopefully we don't let them march down again
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Herbstreit really doesn't like that trivia guy.
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I really don’t get Harbaugh trying to kick the FG there.
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Kicking a 58 yard field just shows how poorly this team is coached.
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Did Illinois hire James Franklin's clock advisor?
Holy crap James Franklin literally did the thing that inspired this post
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Or we could have a conversation. Encouraging the other side to leave is how things become so polarized. I don't want us to retreat back into our bubbles, why do you?
If playing 9 conference games is so damning, isn't it stupid to continue playing 9 conference games? Bitching for another conference to do it the harder way like the B10 does isn't a very persuasive argument, is it?
The SEC is 7-2 in the Citrus Bowl vs the B10 since Saban won his first NC at Bama. Maybe 8 SEC games = 9 B10 games? Nah, that's just me being snarky...but at least I'm willing to continue communicating. :96:
I'm not. You are a trollish @ss, that is going back on the ignore list.
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Kicking a 58 yard field just shows how poorly this team is coached.
Harbaugh is mentally challenged. Dude is just a straight up weirdo.
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Breaking news: Shea Patterson sucks.
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Holy crap James Franklin literally did the thing that inspired this post
Yeah, that was weird.
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super is right, some early calls at critical times hurt UM.
But I sense the momentum swinging, so let see.
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I don't disagree that there were early miss calls, but I felt we were dominating Michigan. The momentum has fully swung the other way now.
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Sack,how's that for momentum
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At the risk of this blowing up in my face.. Michigan is a good team, and they'll be scary if they can put this all together. Fans may be right, it may start with the man in the khakis.
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We have a ball game in Happy Valley.
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that's 2 names I've seen peeling off TTUN's jerseys. Wardrobe malfunction?
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Starting to look like the Leos might figure out a way to barf up this game.
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That penalty on 3rd and 10 may have sunk Michigan’s comeback chances.
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Michigan has been playing with fire on these coverages all night
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HELLO KJ
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There's the Penn State offense we all know and love
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that's 2 names I've seen peeling off TTUN's jerseys. Wardrobe malfunction?
3rd TTUN name peeling off.
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Gotta go for it here. 4th and goal from inside the 1. Drive for show, putt for dough...
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I'm not. You are a trollish @ss, that is going back on the ignore list.
Stay classy
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Tua out with a tweaked ankle....
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I actually think we stopped his momentum prior to crossing the goal.. but there's no way that could have been turned over and I would have silently agreed with any Wolverine fan who would have rioted had it been
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Kansas and Texas are twelving.
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What is 8 from PSU doing there at the end of the play? It looks to me like Patterson and Harbaugh are complaining about face-mask. Is 8 yanking on Patterson helmet?
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hmmmmmm
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not a fan of anything going on right now
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not a fan of anything going on right now
But we are getting a much more entertaining game than what TTUN gave versus Wisconsin.
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But we are getting a much more entertaining game than what TTUN gave versus Wisconsin.
As a Penn State fan, I don't care about entertaining... I care about wins
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As a Penn State fan, I don't care about entertaining... I care about wins
LOL.
As an Ohio State fan, I care about TTUN losses... but I'm ok if the the game is also entertaining.
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Man, flat out dropped that. Wow.
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O M Goodness.
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Texas survives Kansas with a FG at the gun.
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Ronnie Bell has SHIT hands.
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Patterson silenced a lot of doubters. Bell needs to maybe shift to RB. He's great with the ball in his hands, but he can't catch crap
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I think my heart stopped there. It doesn't help that they've shown the 2005 recap already.
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Patterson silenced a lot of doubters. Bell needs to maybe shift to RB. He's great with the ball in his hands, but he can't catch crap
His hands are TERRIBLE.
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Patterson silenced a lot of doubters. Bell needs to maybe shift to RB. He's great with the ball in his hands, but he can't catch crap
He started the game poorly. He was jumpy, but finding your nerves in this environment is special. There are teams that come in and beat the white out by just simply being better than Penn State. Michigan comes in near equals and Patterson looking bad. The fact that he could gain his composure and play like this is remarkable.
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Ronnie Bell needs to hit the bench.
Why does Michigan’s defense always start games off so slow?
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Ronnie Bell needs to hit the bench.
Why does Michigan’s defense always start games off so slow?
Bell crying on the sidelines. He knows his drop cost them a shot of tying this game up.
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Like I said before. Michigan has a talented team. If they put it all together they can beat anyone in the conference I believe. The game is in Ann Arbor this year, as long as both teams stay healthy it should be a fun watch.
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Bell crying on the sidelines. He knows his drop cost them a shot of tying this game up.
Great athlete, but maybe that’s why he was a 2 star. His hands suck.
He’s dropped ALOT of passes this year. Not just that one. Good protection and a perfect throw by Patterson that hit him right in the bread basket. Can’t drop that one.
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Like I said before. Michigan has a talented team. If they put it all together they can beat anyone in the conference I believe. The game is in Ann Arbor this year, as long as both teams stay healthy it should be a fun watch.
When has Michigan ever put it all together under Harbaugh? Oh yeah, never.
This team has plenty of talent. What it lacks is coaching.
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great game
crying on the sidelines won't get it
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great game
crying on the sidelines won't get it
Someone should slap him and tell him to be a man and not a sissy and just CATCH THE DAMN BALL.
Guy has feet for hands.
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Michigan just went into the house of the number 7 team and, with the exception of the first quarter, dominated them.
If I am a UM fan, while being extremely bummed about the loss, I fear NOBODY left on my schedule. When that defense is kept fresh because the offense is moving the chains, they are incredible.
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Michigan just went into the house of the number 7 team and, with the exception of the first quarter, dominated them.
If I am a UM fan, while being extremely bummed about the loss, I fear NOBODY left on my schedule. When that defense is kept fresh because the offense is moving the chains, they are incredible.
Defense starts slow in big games under Don Brown- but they always tighten up. That’s my biggest gripe with DB. He’s a great coach though imo. No question about it.
I mean aside from 2017 @ PSU and the debacle last year vs Ohio State in Columbus- his defenses have been superb.
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Had a busy day, but sufficed to say, I was a bit surprised by Wisconsin’s loss, but not so surprised.
Getting into a dumb battle with a bad team is very Big Ten. UW has one great play maker and two good ones at times. Mix that with a slurry of turnover and that happens.
Oh well.
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That was the most Tennessee thing the Vols could possibly have done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And UM has no chance vs OSU. The Buckeyes are going to wax their hairy nipples
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Jeremy Pruitt might resign postgame
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Jeremy Pruitt might resign postgame
Face mask grabs, might not be his resignation we hear about.
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The Vols have had plays like that go against them over and over and over again the past 10 years.....I've honestly, genuinely asked UTK fans if they've just had enough. I would lose some of my fanaticism if I had to endure what they have. Hats off to them, they're as tuned in as ever...I just have no idea how.
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Face mask grabs, might not be his resignation we hear about.
Raise your hand if you played football and never had a coach grab your facemask.
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Jeremy Pruitt might resign postgame
Do a lot of people a favor. That was soooo Tenn. Wonder of the qb went rogue.
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I was on the Jeff Monken returning to his home state train preseason, to wind up in Champaign, but the Army train has gone off the rails. Their schedule looked like a floor of 10-2, but they lost to Georgia State today, after losing to Western Kentucky last week, and they are now 3-4, may not make a bowl.
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I was on the Jeff Monken returning to his home state train preseason, to wind up in Champaign, but the Army train has gone off the rails. Their schedule looked like a floor of 10-2, but they lost to Georgia State today, after losing to Western Kentucky last week, and they are now 3-4, may not make a bowl.
Speaking of vastly underachieving mid majors, Toledo followed up losing to a horrible Ball State team last week week by getting blown out 52-14 by Ball State this week.
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Boise State in major trouble in Provo. BYU up 21-10 late in the third and driving again.
Loss would really open up the Go5 slot in the NY6
EDIT: 28-10
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App State!
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Miami lost to GT....jesus christ.
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Speaking of vastly underachieving mid majors, Toledo followed up losing to a horrible Ball State team last week week by getting blown out 52-14 by Ball State this week.
They lost to Ball State B2B?
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Great athlete, but maybe that’s why he was a 2 star. His hands suck.
He’s dropped ALOT of passes this year. Not just that one. Good protection and a perfect throw by Patterson that hit him right in the bread basket. Can’t drop that one.
DPJ had at least two so don't focus on the last one to do it
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Jeremy Pruitt might resign postgame
https://twitter.com/i/status/1046102870863618049 Jimbo Fisher grabs facemask. Still employed at Texas A & M.
I am sure this happens in practice. Regarding Tennessee, it was an over the top dressing down. I couldn't tell what play was called. The left guard pulls and smacks the defensive end as if he knew just where he was going. The right guard starts to pull left but then runs up the backside of the center. The QB tries going through the hole vacated by the left guard which is filled with Alabama players. It was a screwed up play. I have never seen line play like that with a sneak.
I watched Pruitt's postgame comments on YouTube. He said he called a sneak, and that the QB shouldn't have tried jumping over the top, should have pushed it over the middle. I don't know what that means. He has no clue what he is talking about. Maybe the right guard is supposed to push the QB forward? I don't know. He hasn't a clue what his offensive line is doing, or what his QB was left with when the left guard vacated the premises.
Fast forward to 1:20 for the doomed play: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27883344 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27883344)
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Raise your hand if you played football and never had a coach grab your facemask.
that occurred to me or my teammates in 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th grade ('87 to 1993)
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I don't think anyone here has a problem with it.
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They lost to Ball State B2B?
That is hella bad.
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CFB is weird. That's one reason we like it. Of course, I suppose if you constructed some game with very talented 20 year olds, you might expect a lot of variation week to week in performance. Upsets are interesting, often a result of a turnover imbalance.
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CFB is weird. That's one reason we like it. Of course, I suppose if you constructed some game with very talented 20 year olds, you might expect a lot of variation week to week in performance. Upsets are interesting, often a result of a turnover imbalance.
Bingo.
BYU has beaten Tennessee, USC, Boise and lost to USF and the Toledo team.
And people try to make sense of it with “rankings”.
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They lost to Ball State B2B?
That was a typo by @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) ,they lost to BGSU last week.
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BYU has beaten Tennessee, USC, Boise and lost to USF and the Toledo team.
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Wow.
Dr Jekyll, meet Mr Hyde.
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Anyone else finding that the cfb scores page at cbssports is basically unusable this year?
I generally prefer it to espn, but this year it takes forever to load, plays unsolicited video in the corner, scrolling is clunky, link response time is awful, etc.
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Patterson silenced a lot of doubters. Bell needs to maybe shift to RB. He's great with the ball in his hands, but he can't catch crap
You think so? He still only completed 58% of his passes and threw 0 touchdowns. His INT in the 1st half was horrible. he definitely played better in the 2nd half but he was not good in the 1st.
michigan had some poor offensive play calling, were very undisciplined and also got the short end of two poorly missed calls on PSU’s 1st td that was offensive pass interference and the 3rd down where Michigan should have been award a 1st down from PI and PSU gets the ball back and the 1st play they run for 50 yards. They were already playing poorly and two poor calls were the nail they didn’t need because there were plenty of self inflicted issues as well.
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Anyone else finding that the cfb scores page at cbssports is basically unusable this year?
No not at all,go to CBS Sports,hit NCAA home,right hand corner is their link for scores.Even can find conferences seperately.ESPN is hot garbage they shuffled the deck on their web site a few years back and is unreadable.Even if it was I wouldn't give them any clicks
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No not at all,go to CBS Sports,hit NCAA home,right hand corner is their link for scores.Even can find conferences seperately.ESPN is hot garbage they shuffled the deck on their web site a few years back and is unreadable.Even if it was I wouldn't give them any clicks
Yeah, I never used espn and always used cbssports. But it is just a mess this year.
It might be a "chrome" thing, as there are many web pages that don't properly load these days when I use that browser, including the Big Ten's official website. Might have to find an alternate there.
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You think so? He still only completed 58% of his passes and threw 0 touchdowns. His INT in the 1st half was horrible. he definitely played better in the 2nd half but he was not good in the 1st.
michigan had some poor offensive play calling, were very undisciplined and also got the short end of two poorly missed calls on PSU’s 1st td that was offensive pass interference and the 3rd down where Michigan should have been award a 1st down from PI and PSU gets the ball back and the 1st play they run for 50 yards. They were already playing poorly and two poor calls were the nail they didn’t need because there were plenty of self inflicted issues as well.
His offensive line also gave him nothing. I was pretty impressed overall.
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I think I pulled a muscle... sleeping.
Getting old sucks.
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On the Tennessee play:
That's the left guard pulling outside (73). Trey Smith, the 5* guy.
That's the fact, now for some conjecture.
If I had to bet a dollar on what actually happened, I'd go with this: the play call was a run to the left, BUT Guantanamo saw something that he had been told to sneak it when the alignment was a certain way. So it wasn't an audible, it was a "see this, do that" thing for the QB himself. The G may or may not been supposed to see the same thing, but either way, his crime was going with the called play. The QB didn't run the called play, but did do something he had been previously told to do.
Pruitt is saying it was a sneak call so that Guantanamo doesn't transfer and he's stuck with 2 FR QBs the rest of the way. I'm not saying he's in love with Gitmo, but at least he's a veteran. He's giving the kid a lifeline in order to keep him around, by publicly saying it was a called sneak.
So I don't think the QB went rogue (odd phrasing and assumption by the announcers). Obviously, the QB and OL weren't on the same page (G pulling for a kick-out block, imo). It was just Tennessee being Tennessee.
And all of this time talking about it...they still weren't winning that game, lol.
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Anyone else finding that the cfb scores page at cbssports is basically unusable this year?
I generally prefer it to espn, but this year it takes forever to load, plays unsolicited video in the corner, scrolling is clunky, link response time is awful, etc.
I agree. I have preferred it to ESPN also, but it is very clunky and irritating this year.
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I think I pulled a muscle... sleeping.
Getting old sucks.
Well when you roast Pork Shoulders,Whole Brisket,Leg of Lamb,Mastodon Ribs I'd guess you pulled a table muscle rolling out of the rack.I'm not a Docter but I slept in my car many nights
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I agree. I have preferred it to ESPN also, but it is very clunky and irritating this year.
Here I thought that was stuff my antivirus and maleware bites weren't catching.Still use it though just to spite the World Wide Leaders
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Miami lost to GT....jesus christ.
and to just think the Hurricanes are STILL better than the Dolphins
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1046102870863618049 Jimbo Fisher grabs facemask. Still employed at Texas A & M.
I am sure this happens in practice. Regarding Tennessee, it was an over the top dressing down. I couldn't tell what play was called. The left guard pulls and smacks the defensive end as if he knew just where he was going. The right guard starts to pull left but then runs up the backside of the center. The QB tries going through the hole vacated by the left guard which is filled with Alabama players. It was a screwed up play. I have never seen line play like that with a sneak.
I watched Pruitt's postgame comments on YouTube. He said he called a sneak, and that the QB shouldn't have tried jumping over the top, should have pushed it over the middle. I don't know what that means. He has no clue what he is talking about. Maybe the right guard is supposed to push the QB forward? I don't know. He hasn't a clue what his offensive line is doing, or what his QB was left with when the left guard vacated the premises.
Fast forward to 1:20 for the doomed play: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27883344 (http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27883344)
Here's the caption to that ESPN clip: "With Tua Tagovailoa exiting the game due to injury, the No. 1 Alabama offense steps up and continues to dominate as the Tide handily beat Tennessee 35-13 at home."
That seems odd. First of all, 35-13 does not scream "offensive domination." If Oklahoma beat Kansas 35-13, everyone would be asking what happened to the offense. As a matter of fact, OU beat Kansas 45-20 and it was seen as a disappointing offensive performance that put a serious dent in Jalen Hurts' Heisman chances.
Second, Bama's 4th TD came after they were held 3-and-out for their 3rd consecutive possession of the 2nd half, except that one of the Tennessee D-linemen was called for a personal foul because he pushed off the Bama QB in getting up. That was a ticky-tack call at best. That let Bama's possession continue, ending in a TD.
Third, Bama's 5th TD was a defensive score, the 100+ yard runback of the Vol QB's fumble into the end zone.
So Bama's supposedly dominant offense scored 21 non-controversial points, plus a penalty-aided touchdown.
I'm not making the case that Tennessee woulda/coulda/shoulda won except for official malfeasance and the fumble into the end zone, and I of course know that Tua left the game injured, which affected what Bama could do on offense, but I am taking exception to ESPN hyping Bama's offensive performance as dominant one.
For most of the better P5 teams, a 35-13 win over a bad team, with one score coming from the defense, would have been a "workmanlike" offensive performance.
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Yeah, I agree, the won fairly handily, but it was not the blow out I expected. It was not "domination" the way I would consider 48-7 to be.
The Vols competed for much of the game.
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Maybe we need a decoder ring:
More than 40 points - a domination, 48-7
More than 30 points - a convincing win, 40-10
More than 20 points - A solid win, 35-21
More than 10 points - a win, 31-17
Fewer than 10 points - Edged by, 27-20
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and to just think the Hurricanes are STILL better than the Dolphins
Lol true. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen an NFL team as bad as the Dolphins.
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Maybe we need a decoder ring:
More than 40 points - a domination, 48-7
More than 30 points - a convincing win, 40-10
More than 20 points - A solid win, 35-21 14
More than 10 points - a win, 31-17
Fewer than 10 points - Edged by, 27-20
Yes. Make those rules part of the CFB51 Manual of Style.
Fixed your "solid win."
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Lol true. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen an NFL team as bad as the Dolphins.
Browns/Lions fans waiting for company but not holding their collective breaths
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But then how are we to delineate between getting blown out, boat raced, and jail sexed?
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Anyone else finding that the cfb scores page at cbssports is basically unusable this year?
I generally prefer it to espn, but this year it takes forever to load, plays unsolicited video in the corner, scrolling is clunky, link response time is awful, etc.
I've been using Foxsports
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Lol true. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen an NFL team as bad as the Dolphins.
Cincinnati Bengals?
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But then how are we to delineate between getting blown out, boat raced, and jail sexed?
Combining Harvard and hillbilly speak in one sentence.You get a Yuengling
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I'm partial to curb-stomped.
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I don't think the actual margin of victory necessarily dictates how dominant Team A was against Team B. It's totally reasonable to say that Team A dominated Team B 24-10 when they held on to the ball for 38 minutes and their defense came up with more 3-and-outs than they gave up first downs.
And Team A beating Team B 41-10 might not necessarily be the beat-down it appears to be as Team A was only up 1 score at the half, and if it weren't for a couple of bad second-half turnovers and some terrible punting it would have been a lot closer.
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Saturday was the first time the Badgers trailed all season. They have now trailed for 0.01 minute this season. But man, this is the longest 0.01 ever.
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I don't think the actual margin of victory necessarily dictates how dominant Team A was against Team B. It's totally reasonable to say that Team A dominated Team B 24-10 when they held on to the ball for 38 minutes and their defense came up with more 3-and-outs than they gave up first downs.
And Team A beating Team B 41-10 might not necessarily be the beat-down it appears to be as Team A was only up 1 score at the half, and if it weren't for a couple of bad second-half turnovers and some terrible punting it would have been a lot closer.
Yeah, that is a good point of course. We've all seen some team win 42-7 when they had a 4-0 turnover margin and two kick returns for TDs, but gained fewer yards etc.
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Saturday was the first time the Badgers trailed all season. They have now trailed for 0.01 minute this season. But man, this is the longest 0.01 ever.
Ugh. I feel your pain. Been there lots.
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Here's the caption to that ESPN clip: "With Tua Tagovailoa exiting the game due to injury, the No. 1 Alabama offense steps up and continues to dominate as the Tide handily beat Tennessee 35-13 at home."
That seems odd. First of all, 35-13 does not scream "offensive domination." If Oklahoma beat Kansas 35-13, everyone would be asking what happened to the offense. As a matter of fact, OU beat Kansas 45-20 and it was seen as a disappointing offensive performance that put a serious dent in Jalen Hurts' Heisman chances.
Second, Bama's 4th TD came after they were held 3-and-out for their 3rd consecutive possession of the 2nd half, except that one of the Tennessee D-linemen was called for a personal foul because he pushed off the Bama QB in getting up. That was a ticky-tack call at best. That let Bama's possession continue, ending in a TD.
Third, Bama's 5th TD was a defensive score, the 100+ yard runback of the Vol QB's fumble into the end zone.
So Bama's supposedly dominant offense scored 21 non-controversial points, plus a penalty-aided touchdown.
I'm not making the case that Tennessee woulda/coulda/shoulda won except for official malfeasance and the fumble into the end zone, and I of course know that Tua left the game injured, which affected what Bama could do on offense, but I am taking exception to ESPN hyping Bama's offensive performance as dominant one.
For most of the better P5 teams, a 35-13 win over a bad team, with one score coming from the defense, would have been a "workmanlike" offensive performance.
So this is, to a degree a case of looking at things and taking exception more than real intent.
Look below that video. There’s six more, and based on the range of styles, there’s probably several hundred such captions written on a Saturday. And there’s not 200 people doing that. It’s probably a smaller group of overworked 22 year old.
Maybe all those 22 year olds just want to hype Bama. Most likely, they want it done quick so they write 10 more.
That site produces and hosts probably more than a million words a day. The ones they might focus on most are the good stories, not ensuring the furniture doesn’t offend a large scale group looking for something to be mad about.
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Yeah, that is a good point of course. We've all seen some team win 42-7 when they had a 4-0 turnover margin and two kick returns for TDs, but gained fewer yards etc.
I agree that it is not just score, I'll give you an example from two games that my team was involved in. This is the example I always use for this:
On October 28, 1995 I attended a game in Columbus in which the Buckeyes beat the Hawkeyes by 21 points, 56-35. It wasn't anywhere near that close. The Buckeyes absolutely dominated early and led, at one point by 56-0. Iowa did an admirable job against Ohio State's backups, waterboys, and cheerleaders thus making the final score the modest three TD win.
On September 23, 2006 I attended a game in Columbus in which the Buckeyes beat the Nittany Lions by 22 points, 28-6. It was MUCH closer than that. Ohio State and Penn State played a defensive slugfest for most of the game. Each team had two scoring drives prior to the last few minutes. The difference in the game was that Ohio State did better in the RZ. Ohio State's two scoring drives were both for TD's while Penn State's were both for FG's such that Ohio State led by eight, 14-6 late in the game. Note that this was still, at least possibly, a one score game. Late in the game Penn State was driving for a potentially tying TD when they threw an interception that was returned for a TD. The effectively ended the game by making it 21-6. Then Penn State stopped Ohio State and got the ball back and promptly threw ANOTHER pick-6 on the very next play leading to the final score.
I use those two games as my example because I think that really illustrates the point. Ohio State's 22 point win over PSU in 2006 was MUCH closer than Ohio State's 21 point win over Iowa in 1995.
One way that I try to think of it is by time rather than points. Ie, if I were a neutral* fan, at what point would I have considered the game to be "over".
*I say "neutral" because when my team is involved I stay interested long after the game is effectively over and I do this both ways. When Ohio State has a big lead I am the guy still worried that if the other team gets a 90 yard TD, then an onside kick, then another long TD pass . . . we might lose! Conversely, when Ohio State is down by a big score I am one of the last to give up, still calculating in my head long after everyone else has given up just how many hail mary TD's and onside kicks we need to catch up.
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So this is, to a degree a case of looking at things and taking exception more than real intent.
Look below that video. There’s six more, and based on the range of styles, there’s probably several hundred such captions written on a Saturday. And there’s not 200 people doing that. It’s probably a smaller group of overworked 22 year old.
Maybe all those 22 year olds just want to hype Bama. Most likely, they want it done quick so they write 10 more.
That site produces and hosts probably more than a million words a day. The ones they might focus on most are the good stories, not ensuring the furniture doesn’t offend a large scale group looking for something to be mad about.
If the best that ESPN can do is have an overworked 22-year-old cranking out hype, then shame on ESPN, the supposed worldwide leader in sports coverage.
Here's a more accurate assessment, from CBS: "No. 1 Alabama survives Tua injury, beats Tennessee 35-13." That is right on the money.
It's not rocket science. If CBS' overworked 22-year-old can do it, then ESPN's should be able to as well, I think.
Heck! Maybe the ESPN caption-writer meant to say "dominating defense." That would make more sense.
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I find in general that headlines today fairly often misrepresent the contents of the article.
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headlines are created to produce clicks
many times misrepresent purposely to entice a click
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YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT THESE CFB51 BLOGGERS SAID ABOUT SPORTS ARTICLES
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Yup, though often I suspect it's incompetence and carelessness. In sports, it's probably to elicit clicks.
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OU FAN SPOTS LIES, YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED NEXT
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Saturday was the first time the Badgers trailed all season. They have now trailed for 0.01 minute this season. But man, this is the longest 0.01 ever.
In the Purdue Elite Eight game against Virginia, Purdue led when the clock hit 00:00. Unfortunately a shot was in the air.
Literally I don't know how you can get closer to a Final Four than leading when the clock hits 00:00 and still losing.
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ALABAMA HAS KEY INJURY BUT DEMOLISHES TENNESSEE ANYWAY.
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OHIO STATE PLAYS FRIDAY NIGHT GAME WITH INTERESTING OUTCOME
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TEXAS EDGES KANSAS LATE ON SPECTACULAR PLAY!!!!
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If the best that ESPN can do is have an overworked 22-year-old cranking out hype, then shame on ESPN, the supposed worldwide leader in sports coverage.
Here's a more accurate assessment, from CBS: "No. 1 Alabama survives Tua injury, beats Tennessee 35-13." That is right on the money.
It's not rocket science. If CBS' overworked 22-year-old can do it, then ESPN's should be able to as well, I think.
Heck! Maybe the ESPN caption-writer meant to say "dominating defense." That would make more sense.
The audience doesn't demand better.
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Headline: HEADLINE DESIGNED TO DRAW POTENTIAL READER INTO READING STORY!
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The audience doesn't demand better.
In this case, who is the audience for video captions?
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You think so? He still only completed 58% of his passes and threw 0 touchdowns. His INT in the 1st half was horrible. he definitely played better in the 2nd half but he was not good in the 1st.
michigan had some poor offensive play calling, were very undisciplined and also got the short end of two poorly missed calls on PSU’s 1st td that was offensive pass interference and the 3rd down where Michigan should have been award a 1st down from PI and PSU gets the ball back and the 1st play they run for 50 yards. They were already playing poorly and two poor calls were the nail they didn’t need because there were plenty of self inflicted issues as well.
Agree with this 100%.
Patterson played better in the 2nd half, but that doesn't make up for his awful 1st half. He basically gifted Penn State a TD with that terrible INT on a screen...like how the f you throw an INT on a screen pass bro!?!? Ugh. 7 points right there. That was the difference in the game.
Michigan's offensive coaching is downright awful. There is some legitimate offensive talent on this team and it's not being put in position to succeed.
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In this case, who is the audience for video captions?
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvipsblog.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F12%2Falabama-fan-award1.jpg&hash=753b363feb5f450a868aa0da0c475405)
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You really should've checked with rolltidefan first before posting his image on the webz.
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I find in general that headlines today fairly often misrepresent the contents of the article.
Even in the old days, reporters wrote articles, editors wrote headlines. This is not as new as it seems.
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Anyway, y'all missed the most important part of Saturday's stream of consciousness, which is that in typical Buckeye fashion, Joe Burrow showed his butt. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TStH4--M0HY)
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I'm not clicking on THAT!
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You really should've checked with rolltidefan first before posting his image on the webz.
I'm sure he did and I'm sure RolltideFan was flattered
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Week 8 NCAA Tournament projection
| 21 | | APPALACHIAN STATE | | |
| 4 | | CLEMSON | | |
| | NOON - espn2 | | |
| . | | . | |
| 22 | | BOISE STATE | | |
| 3 | | OHIO STATE | | |
| | 1:30 - ESPN | | |
| . | | . | |
| 10 | | GEORGIA | | |
| 6 | | PENN STATE | | |
| | 3:00 - ABC | | |
| . | | . | |
| | BALL STATE | | |
| 1 | | ALABAMA | | |
| | 4:30 - espn2 | | |
| . | | . | |
| | LOUISIANA TECH | | |
| 2 | | LSU | | |
| | 6:00 - ESPN | | |
| . | | . | |
| 9 | | AUBURN | | |
| 8 | | NOTRE DAME | | |
| | 7:30 - ABC | | |
| . | | . | |
| 11 | | OREGON | | |
| 7 | | FLORIDA | | |
| | 9:00 - espn2 | | |
| . | | . | |
| 16 | | SMU | | |
| 5 | | OKLAHOMA | | |
| | 10:30 - ESPN | | |
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I once saw a headline in the Cincy paper about tornadoes in GA so I clicked on it, having relatives down here, and the article never mentioned GA at all.
That's when I realized some editor wrote the headline having not read the article, or perhaps a para with GA mentioned was edited out.
They usually get the stats right, I think. I don't generally bother reading their "analysis" anyway.
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There will never be legislation to help with the absurdities of online "articles" as long as there are no term limits. I'll never forget Zuckerberg basically explaining to a congressman how email works....
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There will never be legislation to help with the absurdities of online "articles" as long as there are no term limits. I'll never forget Zuckerberg basically explaining to a congressman how email works....
There shouldn’t be. It would be a first amendment disaster.
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There will never be legislation to help with the absurdities of online "articles" as long as there are no term limits. I'll never forget Zuckerberg basically explaining to a congressman how email works....
The late Ted Stevens (R-AK), everybody:
Ten movies streaming across that, that Internet, and what happens to your own personal Internet? I just the other day got... an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially.
[...] They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
FYI I agree with @bayareabadger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1571) that there shouldn't be legislation to deal with online articles, for many many reasons including his cited reason of the first amendment.
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Wow, who saw that coming?
CFB.
Truth.
And some days it's good that I don't have much time to watch college football. About the time this happened to the Badgers, my daughter scored the insurance goal in her playoff game (soccer). That was more important. :-)
Feels a lot like '93. The Badgers were 6-0, going to last-place Minnesota, and had Michigan at home the following week. Everyone expected UW to roll, with a great rushing offense against the weakest defense in the Big Ten (or maybe it was the opposite? It was a long time ago). I went to Minneapolis with my buddies for the game. Disaster. But the Badgers beat Michigan the next week. Would be nice if the outcome here was similar.
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Michigan wasn't that good in 1993. Ohio State is a monster, and it's on the road. I can't see it.
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Wisconsin losing takes some wind out of the sails of the upcoming Buckeye game, but honestly it doesn't have any effect on the type of game it stands to be. I was looking forward to it before, I'm looking forward to it now. Everything is still in play. Still want to see if UW can slow down OSU. Still want to see if UW can keep grinding away at a defense like OSU. It's still must see tv.
Just get that one done by 2:30 CST is all I ask.
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Agree with MDT, I'm still looking forward to the Wisconsin - OSU game as well.
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Michigan wasn't that good in 1993. Ohio State is a monster, and it's on the road. I can't see it.
And Michigan was at home, not on the road.
So I'm not too far off from where you are, but I'm still hopeful. The point someone else made is worth considering: the Badgers' best two games have been against Michigan and MSU, and its worst two have been against Northwestern and Illinois. There is a reasonable chance that, regardless of what they say to the media, they have prepared better for the bigger tests.
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nameless faceless opponents
right....
great theory
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Their own words, not mine. Actually, Chris Orr's words. He stated the same today, in effect, in that he said nothing was different except they got outplayed. Zach Baun, on the other hand, came out and said they overlooked Illinois.
So... which is it?
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I'm pretty sure I know.......
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I'm sure he did and I'm sure RolltideFan was flattered
you guys might not like it, but that is peak male physique right there.
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There will never be legislation to help with the absurdities of online "articles" as long as there are no term limits. I'll never forget Zuckerberg basically explaining to a congressman how email works....
Who is saying there will be? What’s said “online” is almost ungovernable due to the first amendment, the nature of what an article is or isn’t, and how far behind and impotent International Laws have proven to be when it comes to enforcement beyond national capacities.
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There shouldn’t be. It would be a first amendment disaster.
I get that, but the purposeful, misleading clickbait that's holding our online browsing hostage is akin to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, no? Nearly infinite bots flooding every page you view makes it impossible to extract the important truth from the avalanche of BS...by design.
This is not okay.
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Who is saying there will be? What’s said “online” is almost ungovernable due to the first amendment, the nature of what an article is or isn’t, and how far behind and impotent International Laws have proven to be when it comes to enforcement beyond national capacities.
We cannot simply throw our hands up and let anarchy reign. You wouldn't allow it on your streets, why allow it online?
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Free speech, baby!
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https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/ (https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/)
Jimbo has a helluva buyout
Jimmy H. can easily be bought
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https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/ (https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/)
Jimbo has a helluva buyout
Jimmy H. can easily be bought
Sure. What's a little $11.7 mil.?
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pocket change to "M" men of substance
it's a tax write off
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I get that, but the purposeful, misleading clickbait that's holding our online browsing hostage is akin to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, no? Nearly infinite bots flooding every page you view makes it impossible to extract the important truth from the avalanche of BS...by design.
This is not okay.
Let's start from the top (or bottom of the post). It's probably OK. Our airwaves are flooded with misleading commercials for all manner of garbage. We can't get a handle on that, so it seems unlikely we'll get a handle on billions of headlines.
How would we even do it. Can I sue over a headline I think is nonsense? Do we have a definition of clickbait? Like all headlines exist in some manner to draw your interest. Some draw you to garbage. Some to semi-accurate news. Some is borderline. I saw a football one where a coach said something offhand and it became a far more incendiary headline. It's accurate he said it, but maybe not in the spirit. I didn't like it and found it to be poor form, but I acknowledged it delivered that thing in the piece.
We'll need to get legal definitions for purposeful and misleading, both which jive with our ability to speak freely. That'll be an impossible nightmare. Beyond that, use this simple rule. If a law is in place, imagine how it can be used in the most craven and self-serving way possible. This wouldn't go well.
Lastly, let's talk about fire in a crowded theatre. Do you know the history? It was an Oliver Wendell Holmes opinion. The actual text was "falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic." It's very evocative. It's also part of a case that found a person guilty of espionage because he was handing out fliers opposing the draft in WWI. Not only was that precedent overturned, but it's actually a pretty shameful suppression of speech.
In short, this won't happen, shouldn't happen and if it did happen, would end either by being unworkable or leveraged in mostly bad ways.
(Also, people's description of clickbait has expanded to mean anything they dislike on the internet. All because we can't control ourselves when we think someone we've never met somewhere is wrong)
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Yup, all of that.
I'm okay with not steamrolling the bill of rights.
And I wonder if this problem might be the impetus for the pendulum swinging back the other way, to people searching for their news from more traditional sources? I'd like to think that a traditional medium purveyor, dedicated to solid and trustworthy journalism, might be able to develop a track record and find an audience among people that are tired of clickbait news and altered news and dare I say #fakenews, people that would create a groundswell of support for more trustworthy and legitimate sources?
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And I wonder if this problem might be the impetus for the pendulum swinging back the other way, to people searching for their news from more traditional sources? I'd like to think that a traditional medium purveyor, dedicated to solid and trustworthy journalism, might be able to develop a track record and find an audience among people that are tired of clickbait news and altered news and dare I say #fakenews, people that would create a groundswell of support for more trustworthy and legitimate sources?
You've got more faith in humanity than I...
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You've got more faith in humanity than I...
Maybe, but as I think about it-- to some small extent, Snopes already does this. And they're widely trusted.
They are limited and reactive, but with their current brand, it's theoretically possible for them to generate real news content that people would trust and believe. Do it regularly, and you can become a bellwether for a new type of trusted journalism.
You'd have to WANT to do that of course, and obviously I have no idea whether or not anyone at Snopes would be interested.
To your point, people would also have to be willing to listen to more sincerely delivered news, rather than the bias-confirming echo chambers they currently flock toward. But if all of us here on this thread are asking for it, people with very diverse views on politics, society, economics-- then it can't be entirely unbelievable that a lot of other people might.
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I'm okay with not steamrolling the bill of rights.
You're all underestimating the damning effects of the purposeful misinforming of the masses. Do the laws against bomb threats, stalking, etc "steamroll the bill of rights"????
We can do without the dramatics, btw.
Now, if we had some other form of government, the purposeful misleading of the masses wouldn't be such a big deal. But a democracy relies on an informed populace, and we don't have one. So we can pretend the 1st amendment is more important than the sanctity of our country, and many would argue they're one-and-the-same....but they're not.
News outlets and the internet as a whole aren't some separate, distinct thing from the real-world verbal, law-breaking acts that are illegal and yet don't steamroll our rights. Sure, we could tell people to wise up and be more savvy......but we might as well suggest they fly to Neptune - it's as realistic.
I'll say again, shrugging our shoulders and doing nothing is the wrong course of (in)action. Obviously.
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and you can become a bellwether for a new type of trusted journalism.
This is adorable.
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Let's start from the top (or bottom of the post). It's probably OK. Our airwaves are flooded with misleading commercials for all manner of garbage. We can't get a handle on that, so it seems unlikely we'll get a handle on billions of headlines.
How would we even do it. Can I sue over a headline I think is nonsense? Do we have a definition of clickbait? Like all headlines exist in some manner to draw your interest. Some draw you to garbage. Some to semi-accurate news. Some is borderline. I saw a football one where a coach said something offhand and it became a far more incendiary headline. It's accurate he said it, but maybe not in the spirit. I didn't like it and found it to be poor form, but I acknowledged it delivered that thing in the piece.
We'll need to get legal definitions for purposeful and misleading, both which jive with our ability to speak freely. That'll be an impossible nightmare. Beyond that, use this simple rule. If a law is in place, imagine how it can be used in the most craven and self-serving way possible. This wouldn't go well.
Lastly, let's talk about fire in a crowded theatre. Do you know the history? It was an Oliver Wendell Holmes opinion. The actual text was "falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic." It's very evocative. It's also part of a case that found a person guilty of espionage because he was handing out fliers opposing the draft in WWI. Not only was that precedent overturned, but it's actually a pretty shameful suppression of speech.
In short, this won't happen, shouldn't happen and if it did happen, would end either by being unworkable or leveraged in mostly bad ways.
(Also, people's description of clickbait has expanded to mean anything they dislike on the internet. All because we can't control ourselves when we think someone we've never met somewhere is wrong)
Great analysis!
I meant to pick up on the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy earlier and failed to do so.
One tiny quibble. Charles Schenck was convicted of sedition rather than espionage.
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Great analysis!
I meant to pick up on the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy earlier and failed to do so.
One tiny quibble. Charles Schenck was convicted of sedition rather than espionage.
Crud, right you are. It was under the espionage act. Good catch.
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I'm not sure what entity I'd trust to oversee the Fifth Estate, other than the People.
Just because "we" are not doing a good job doesn't mean something else would.
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You're all underestimating the damning effects of the purposeful misinforming of the masses. Do the laws against bomb threats, stalking, etc "steamroll the bill of rights"????
We can do without the dramatics, btw.
Now, if we had some other form of government, the purposeful misleading of the masses wouldn't be such a big deal. But a democracy relies on an informed populace, and we don't have one. So we can pretend the 1st amendment is more important than the sanctity of our country, and many would argue they're one-and-the-same....but they're not.
News outlets and the internet as a whole aren't some separate, distinct thing from the real-world verbal, law-breaking acts that are illegal and yet don't steamroll our rights. Sure, we could tell people to wise up and be more savvy......but we might as well suggest they fly to Neptune - it's as realistic.
I'll say again, shrugging our shoulders and doing nothing is the wrong course of (in)action. Obviously.
You're equating clickbait headlines on stupid internet sites to actual bomb threats, and then accusing me of "dramatics." That's the most laughably ridiculous thing I've read on the internet today-- including the headline, "All She Did Was Drag Her Plate Across The Pool. What Happened Next Blew My Mind."
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A "democracy" in whatever form presumes we have an informed voting public better able to make choices en masses than some more insular group, or single person.
Part of that presumes the voting public has the ability to decipher truth from fiction, at least in large enough numbers to "count".
We also could consider a kind of "qualified democracy" where only some minor portion of adults could vote, or make choices, with the limit being one person (or perhaps computer in some future).
Do "we" really want to go there? We probably shouldn't on this site.
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A "democracy" in whatever form presumes we have an informed voting public better able to make choices en masses than some more insular group, or single person.
Part of that presumes the voting public has the ability to decipher truth from fiction, at least in large enough numbers to "count".
We also could consider a kind of "qualified democracy" where only some minor portion of adults could vote, or make choices, with the limit being one person (or perhaps computer in some future).
Do "we" really want to go there? We probably shouldn't on this site.
Correct.
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Well poop. Just when I thought this site had a major advantage over the sterile "omg we can't talk about that" confines of places like CFN.
Incidentally, open and civil discussion of ideas is one of the hallmarks of an informed society.
I'm just gonna leave this here, feel free to ignore, delete, ban, whatever. This whole idea that's overrun our society about "Two things you don't talk about in polite company, politics and religion" is bullcrap. If people bothered to think about it, what could possibly be MORE important? How are we going to live in this life, how are we going to live in the next one, if there is one? Frankly I can't think of anything else people should be talking about more. Good lord, we spill gallons of digital ink and waste hours of our lives deconstructing every aspect of a game played by kids that doesn't affect us in the least. But sure, everybody shut up about things that actually affect our existence.
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There are plenty of sites for politics. Folks here have endured negatives with such talk here.
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Well poop. Just when I thought this site had a major advantage over the sterile "omg we can't talk about that" confines of places like CFN.
Incidentally, open and civil discussion of ideas is one of the hallmarks of an informed society.
I'm just gonna leave this here, feel free to ignore, delete, ban, whatever. This whole idea that's overrun our society about "Two things you don't talk about in polite company, politics and religion" is bullcrap. If people bothered to think about it, what could possibly be MORE important? How are we going to live in this life, how are we going to live in the next one, if there is one? Frankly I can't think of anything else people should be talking about more. Good lord, we spill gallons of digital ink and waste hours of our lives deconstructing every aspect of a game played by kids that doesn't affect us in the least. But sure, everybody shut up about things that actually affect our existence.
In all respects I agree, but as a collective group, we made a decision long ago to not go into these things. MDT, that you wrote what you did makes me happy. Everyone should care about this stuff. Really. I know I do. I'm worried about the "us" in USA.
Yes, we've been a little more lax here than in past places, and that's OK. We're all grown up now. And yeah, we do need to talk about this more as a society - maybe here too - I don't have that answer as to the latter. There are two other owners here, and one of them built this board from scratch for us (and also built in a place that is not moderated, toward the South end of the site).
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there is a place for political discussion here
almost non-moderated
https://www.cfb51.com/area-51/ (https://www.cfb51.com/area-51/)
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Fair warning. Tread lightly. They do seem like a good group of guys. Drew seems to think so, or he wouldn't have created a home for them (like he created one for us).
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Fair warning. Tread lightly. They do seem like a good group of guys. Drew seems to think so, or he wouldn't have created a home for them (like he created one for us).
Yeah I peeked down there once. I'm fine with letting them do their thing, to my eye it was just more of the same militant aligning along party lines, with little or no true dialog. It's been a year or two though, so maybe it's changed.
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In all respects I agree, but as a collective group, we made a decision long ago to not go into these things. MDT, that you wrote what you did makes me happy. Everyone should care about this stuff. Really. I know I do. I'm worried about the "us" in USA.
Yes, we've been a little more lax here than in past places, and that's OK. We're all grown up now. And yeah, we do need to talk about this more as a society - maybe here too - I don't have that answer as to the latter. There are two other owners here, and one of them built this board from scratch for us (and also built in a place that is not moderated, toward the South end of the site).
I think one of the aspects that breaks things down is when a discussion starts trending away from ideas, and onto politicians or political parties.
For the most part, when politics has strayed into this portion of the site, I've found that we are actually discussing ideas. Such as this discussion of the platonic ideal of freedom of speech vs. the negative effects of biased and manipulative modern "news" reporting. It's usually easier to keep those discussions at the high level of discourse we normally have here.
It's when it becomes about people, and about party, that things can get personal, acrimonious, and end up damaging the character of the board as a whole.
Fair warning. Tread lightly. They do seem like a good group of guys. Drew seems to think so, or he wouldn't have created a home for them (like he created one for us).
I'll bet they [most of them, anyway] are a good group of guys personally. But the level of argument there is about 5th grade level. It rarely goes beyond ad hominem and strawmen. They resort to insult immediately, and spend most of their time arguing against what they think you believe based on your "ideology" rather than what you actually say.
The signal to noise ratio down there is FAR too low for any constructive debate. But that's okay, for them. Because I don't think it's about constructive debate. I think they're there because it's a remote and out of the way place to vent to/at each other and they enjoy it. It just doesn't result in much in the way of an honest exchange of ideas.
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The problems seems not to be the topics, but that people have let themselves (ourselves?) become so polarized that it gets immediately toxic. The only way for that to ever change, that I can see, is people just have to do better. That has to start somewhere.
But I respect the collective decision that said place and people is not here.
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Yup, the place can be entertaining, but rarely informative. Choosing sides is required, apparently.
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A whole lot of folks do not like politics, and don't discuss current events. Those who do tend to be polarized and entrenched.
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Seems like it's always the same guy trying to steer the convo towards politics.
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The problems seems not to be the topics, but that people have let themselves (ourselves?) become so polarized that it gets immediately toxic. The only way for that to ever change, that I can see, is people just have to do better. That has to start somewhere.
But I respect the collective decision that said place and people is not here.
Oh, I think we have the people. It's just not the place.
Much of the basis for the decision made long-ago (by us, not CFN) was that we did not want people to join the site for the sole reason of talking about politics/religion (whatever lightning rod topic). There was a start to that at one point, and we stopped it pretty fast.
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Seems like it's always the same guy trying to steer the convo towards politics.
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I think many of us have been "guilty" at times. I also think it's really hard not to at least tread, given some of the topics that come up here. I think we all know where to stop, honestly.
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The group HERE could probably handle it, for a while anyway.
Bad feelings usually erupt eventually for no good reason.
People almost choose their team to support no matter what.
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A whole lot of folks do not like politics, and don't discuss current events. Those who do tend to be polarized and entrenched.
I fear the general public's apathy is part of why things are the way they are, both in the realm of political action (an unopposed force will keep moving) and insomuch as "sides" are extremely polarized. When most of the population shuts up, the wheels that are left can squeak that much louder. But, that probably all falls under things to steer clear of, so I'll shut up now.
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We hear from the strident, the motivated, the incensed, not from folks just getting on with their lives.
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You're equating clickbait headlines on stupid internet sites to actual bomb threats,
Yes, but not just clickbait headlines - all purposefully false and gaslighting speech online.
Maybe it is laughable.
But one (bomb threat) only puts the people in one structure at risk, while the reach of internet messages can reach tens of millions. Poo-poo it now, most do, but in 10 years, the internet won't be considered some separate, harmless thing we cannot regulate. And back to my initial point, the only reason we'll have to wait some years to realize this truth is that the old people who run things are ignorant of the issue.
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folks said the same thing about the internet 10 years ago
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and 20 years ago
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The group HERE could probably handle it, for a while anyway.
Bad feelings usually erupt eventually for no good reason.
People almost choose their team to support no matter what.
This is the largest problem I see. For some reason, over the past decade or two, people have begun treating politics more like a football game, or a soccer match, or something. They choose to identify by party rather than ideals, and then actively "root" for their "team" over the other "team" regardless of the ideas and platforms being espoused by either one of them. The battleground matters less and less, and the political team identity matters more and more, to the point that I've noted people supporting candidates they find deplorable and disgusting, simply because he or she is "their team's guy." And no, I'm not talking about just one particular, polarizing, political leader we currently have. I've seen BOTH sides do it quite a bit.
Since I am a member of neither "team" and don't feel either one represents my preferred ideals and policies particularly well, I end up being more of a neutral observer. I see REALLY smart friends and relatives at each other's throats, for no reason other than their team identity. It's especially bad on social media, possibly due to the arm's-length nature of that type of communication, and possibly due to the relative anonymity of internet fighting with "friends of friends." But I also see it live, in person, all the time.
It baffles me. Three decades ago and more, people disagreed on matters of policy and ideology, and discussed it openly, and were still able to remain cordial if not friendly. That's just not common anymore, at all. It's sad, I feel. I'm not sure how to navigate back, as long as people choose to identify with a particular team, rather than ideals. I just don't see it getting any better.
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I don't either.
To the earlier point about Ben Frankling telling the woman "A republic, madame, if you can keep it,".....we can't, and we won't.
Yeah, I'm big ball of sunshine, I know.
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I don't either.
To the earlier point about Ben Frankling telling the woman "A republic, madame, if you can keep it,".....we can't, and we won't.
Yeah, I'm big ball of sunshine, I know.
Heh.
(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.JC8HKgNUhOlIa7JAoaGVAwAAAA&pid=Api&rs=1)
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One must admit, a large segment of the population not caring and the rest of population being increasingly forced to abide by the "no talking in public" unspoken rules thrust on us in an increasing number of public spaces is a fantastic recipe for not keeping it. It's certainly not how we got it.
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No doubt. And I'd tell ya all about it if I could, but there is no bar that is truly near either of us.
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I don't mind discussing politics with someone rational and reasonable.
If that person is not able to admit that the party they are aligned with is a part of the probelm and guilty of the same crap tactics as the other party, then I refuse to have a discussion.
In this two party system, neither party is clean. IMO
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No doubt. And I'd tell ya all about it if I could, but there is no bar that is truly near either of us.
and, yes, I'd rather have that reasonable discussion over a few rounds of drinks.
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I don't mind discussing politics with someone rational and reasonable.
If that person is not able to admit that the party they are aligned with is a part of the probelm and guilty of the same crap tactics as the other party, then I refuse to have a discussion.
In this two party system, neither party is clean. IMO
That's the greatest thing about being a Libertarian! I never have to worry about my party being corrupted by power, because we'll never have any power! :)
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That's the greatest thing about being a Libertarian! I never have to worry about my party being corrupted by power, because we'll never have any power! :)
Ha! (fellow libertarian)
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I dated a librarian once. She was kinda bookish and Dewey eyed.
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(https://businessesgrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/dewey-defeats-truman.jpg)
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I dated a girl in college who eventually became a librarian. She was fun and all sorts of surprising. So there's that.
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Since I am a member of neither "team" and don't feel either one represents my preferred ideals and policies particularly well, I end up being more of a neutral observer. I see REALLY smart friends and relatives at each other's throats, for no reason other than their team identity. It's especially bad on social media, possibly due to the arm's-length nature of that type of communication, and possibly due to the relative anonymity of internet fighting with "friends of friends." But I also see it live, in person, all the time.
It baffles me. Three decades ago and more, people disagreed on matters of policy and ideology, and discussed it openly, and were still able to remain cordial if not friendly. That's just not common anymore, at all. It's sad, I feel. I'm not sure how to navigate back, as long as people choose to identify with a particular team, rather than ideals. I just don't see it getting any better.
I think social media has been VERY damaging in this sense.
I.e. on this board [and its predecessors], we all learned about each other through a certain non-political prism. And as a result, we made our opinions of each other [for good or ill] based on things that were not political. Once those opinions hardened, they were less likely to be overridden by political beliefs, especially when politics was <1% of the discussion here.
I think this is how life was prior to social media. You became friends with people through all sorts of things, and very rarely was it because you met at a political rally. So you built friendships that were basically unencumbered by politics, and then over the years you realized that sometimes your friends didn't agree on politics, but so be it. You didn't have to sit around talking politics all the time.
But then came social media... Where the nature of the communication is a one-to-many share, which is highly conducive to political activism rather than a conversation with a friend. It's also highly conducive to communication-by-meme, which is about the lowest common denominator of political activism. Memes are about promulgating emotions, not about reasoned debate. Reasoned debate produces "tl;dr".
So all of a sudden you're being bombarded by the half-baked political opinions of your long-time friends, your extended family [crazy Aunt Ruth], those half-way acquaintances who you don't actually talk to but it would be rude to not accept a friend request, and often all sorts of other people that don't make it into your inner circle but who are close enough that you're "Facebook friends". And bombarded with all this, it is sometimes hard not to try to push back by spouting your *own* half-baked political opinions. And thus become part of the problem.
I don't do Facebook any more because of this. I simply can't go on Facebook without getting angry in the first 10 minutes. And literally if I spend more than 15, suddenly I want to reply to the morons. But if I do that, then I'm part of the problem. So I don't do it at all.
But that's an impulse that most people have trouble controlling, so Facebook becomes a cesspool which does more to HARM our relationships with the people in our lives than to help. But everyone's afraid to unplug.
So it gets worse, and worse. And I don't see a solution on the horizon.
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So, I had a filling drop out. Dentist says molar is cracked. Bummer.
Anaesthesia is under appreciated. He almost put his foot on my shoulder tugging. Finally came out, split in two.
I walked home, felt fine until the drugs wore off. Now on amoxicillin and Peridex. I'm getting younger all the time.
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Composure and apathy help a lot.
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Anaesthesia is under appreciated. He almost put his foot on my shoulder tugging. Finally came out, split in two.
I have a very high tolerance for Novocaine. All of my childhood, my Dr thought I was being a baby because he'd shoot me up with Novocaine, while I'd be white-knuckling the dentist chair in pain as the work was being done. I'd tell him I could still feel the pain, but he thought it was psychosomatic or something based on the sound of the drill.
No, jackwagon, it f'ing hurts!
It wasn't until I finally started going to my current dentist that I / we figured it out. He could visibly tell when working on my teeth that I was just grueling my way through it, and stopped, asking me "can you feel that?" I said yeah, it still hurts quite a bit! He shot me up with *more* Novocaine, and suddenly I got to experience what normal people do when going through dental work... Dental work still sucks, but it isn't excruciating painful.
I have so many bad memories of my childhood dentist, and now I realize it was that he was just incompetent and couldn't tell that the anesthesia wasn't strong enough. (Or maybe he was a sadist--he IS a dentist after all.)
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I have that same problem with Novocain. Just last week I too had a filling fall out.
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I think this guy used trimethyl happy juice. It worked until it didn't.
Now, bone graft, implant, new fake tooth.
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I would not hold out against torture.
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@bwarbiany
I’ve never had Facebook but have used twitter for over 5 years. Twitter was coded exactly for spouting reactive talking points at the expense of thoughtful nuance so it’s no surprise politics is the defining identity for most user’s Twitter activity. It’s not worth lamenting Twitter’s acidic nature of political discourse, BUT it is worth wondering about the mental state of some of the users who clearly spend ALL day long politically reacting to every last trending headline.
My question is - what the heck happened to Facebook?!?!
For the first ten or so years of its run it seemed a friendlier, more personal place to post pictures of pets, new haircuts, toddler’s birthdays, inspirational quotes, college admission letters, Halloween costumes, travel selfies, church announcements, cookouts, car wash fundraisers - in short, the substance of day to day high school and family innocence.
But in the past two years a number of my buddies have told me they don’t even log in anymore due to how mean of a place Facebook has become.
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Their algorithms got out of control, ethically. Fb is in the money-making business and outrage gets the most clicks. It's taking a truth about human beings and exploiting it, period.
It'd be like selling bottled water (nothing wrong with that), but then gradually adding tasteless ingredients that make the customer (don't call them a person!) thirstier.
And it's not necessarily a purely unethical practice - it's a greed-first practice that simply didn't care to worry about the potential unethical snowball growing out of control.
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A "democracy" in whatever form presumes we have an informed voting public better able to make choices en masses than some more insular group, or single person.
Part of that presumes the voting public has the ability to decipher truth from fiction, at least in large enough numbers to "count".
We also could consider a kind of "qualified democracy" where only some minor portion of adults could vote, or make choices, with the limit being one person (or perhaps computer in some future).
Do "we" really want to go there? We probably shouldn't on this site.
Luckily, we can have this conversation with zero political strife.
We don't have to worry about either left or right - anyone and everyone all along the spectrum can only form a valid democratic populace if they're informed. Hence, the purposeful - and I keep using that word for a reason - the purposeful deception of the truth online should be criminal. No, you can't get every jackass with too much time on his hands, but these massive bot groups and purposeful misinformation outlets (who play both sides like a maestro) could easily be criminalized.
And YES, they're as bad or worse than any of the other verbal or typed crimes that already exist.
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The line between expressing an opinion and "purposeful deception" seems thin to me.
And nearly every meme I see on FB that is political is deceptive, or flat wrong. I have no clue how this could be monitored, or by whom.
It is incumbent on US to deal with it.
It's akin to perjury, it happens fairly often but is rarely prosecuted because of burden of proof. "I didn't understand the question."
"I didn't mean to say that." "I was taken out of context."
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Luckily, we can have this conversation with zero political strife.
We don't have to worry about either left or right - anyone and everyone all along the spectrum can only form a valid democratic populace if they're informed. Hence, the purposeful - and I keep using that word for a reason - the purposeful deception of the truth online should be criminal. No, you can't get every jackass with too much time on his hands, but these massive bot groups and purposeful misinformation outlets (who play both sides like a maestro) could easily be criminalized.
And YES, they're as bad or worse than any of the other verbal or typed crimes that already exist.
Criminalized?
Yeah, establishing that standard in line with 1A is going to be ... near impossible. Shoot, weren’t we calling a list of top college players that was too NFL based clickbait like four months ago?
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Speaking of teeth, so, I'm missing my penultimate upper right molar. The cavity has healed remarkably quickly. It's not even sore now.
Can I avoid this implant process and just live with a missing tooth?
Gonna ask the dentist.
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Speaking of teeth, so, I'm missing my penultimate upper right molar. The cavity has healed remarkably quickly. It's not even sore now.
Can I avoid this implant process and just live with a missing tooth?
Gonna ask the dentist.
You live in Georgia now. I'm sure it'll be fine.
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HA!
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Good one, but it's a molar, so I still don't "fit in".
Speaking of turnovers, Wisconsin lost that "battle" against UI 3-1. UGA lost to USCe by 4-0, including a Pick 6.
I think they are largely unpredictable and very often the core reason for an upset (where a 20+ point dog wins). I think "Talking Heads" like to get all quasi-technical about yardage this and percentage that and who won the past 5 games on the road at night, and forget about this because we can't predict it.
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JT's first fumble of the year arguably cost UW the game last weekend. Continuing that drive at the UI 17 would have put it away, with clock alone.
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As for the tooth... try eating a steak today or tomorrow. If you can't properly chew it, you need the tooth.
Could always take one from the front and put it in the back.
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you can chew it properly on the other side of yer mouth
the dentist has enough of your money
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I have pretty good dental insurance, so money is not the issue really, it's time and pain. The implant thing is manifold, several visits, and none of them sound pleasant.
My gum is probably still sensitive, though it doesn't feel bad, but I'll wait on the steak. I ate some chili over rice last night, first solid thing I've tried to eat. Was fine.
The other good news is I can walk to the dentist's office. I like this being able to walk anywhere thing.
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So, turnovers can't be predicted. They can have a huge impact on the game. Folks trying to sound like their are experts really are trying to predict a near random sequence of events. We're not even including things like tipped passes that get dropped or key penalties called, or missed, or first downs inches short, or all the other random things that can happen.
So, if Wisconsin beats OSU, folks will say OSU was "looking ahead" or was "due for a bad game" or whatever else, and it probably will be a 3-1 TO margin or worse.
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Another thing I dislike is the "calculations" of odds to make the playoff. Such burfle.
I'm sure folks click on the link and then feel bad or better depending. Burfle, all of it.
We all understand Clemson has a pretty clear shot, and then the other undefeated teams, and then some one loss teams. Duh.
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I think CD should make a Top 10 list of things he dislikes about discussing/analyzing college football!
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My list of things I don't like:
1. Top ten lists.
The end.
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My list of things I don't like:
1. Top ten lists.
The end.
There are two types of people.
Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data...
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Their algorithms got out of control, ethically. Fb is in the money-making business and outrage gets the most clicks. It's taking a truth about human beings and exploiting it, period.
t'd be like selling bottled water (nothing wrong with that), but then gradually adding tasteless ingredients that make the customer (don't call them a person!) thirstier.
And it's not necessarily a purely unethical practice - it's a greed-first practice that simply didn't care to worry about the potential unethical snowball growing out of control.
It is an unethical practice.
Ever heard of TANSTAAFL? There ain't no such thing as a free lunch?
Where did "free lunch" come from, and why did Robert Heinlein feel compelled to invent (or popularize) this acronym with which to describe it?
Gilded Age bars catering to working me would offer free lunches. Mostly made up of salty sandwiches and snacks, so that the customers would feel thirsty and buy more beer.
Unethical then, unethical now.
Just like all the public-policy equivalents.
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I have that on a T shirt.
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Luckily, we can have this conversation with zero political strife.
We don't have to worry about either left or right - anyone and everyone all along the spectrum can only form a valid democratic populace if they're informed. Hence, the purposeful - and I keep using that word for a reason - the purposeful deception of the truth online should be criminal. No, you can't get every jackass with too much time on his hands, but these massive bot groups and purposeful misinformation outlets (who play both sides like a maestro) could easily be criminalized.
And YES, they're as bad or worse than any of the other verbal or typed crimes that already exist.
Why limit it to online deception?
Make it cover spoken, written, and printed communication.
That way, nearly every political speech, love letter, television commentary, and newspaper editorial will involve criminal activity.
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Speaking of teeth, so, I'm missing my penultimate upper right molar. The cavity has healed remarkably quickly. It's not even sore now.
Can I avoid this implant process and just live with a missing tooth?
Gonna ask the dentist.
i have a missing tooth (insert bama fan joke here) and have for a long time. they removed one when i was in hs to give my bottom teeth room to move with braces, and we just never went back in and put the perm fake tooth in. we've talked about it sense, and i'll likely do it in the somewhat near future, but the only problem i've had was the occasional pointy piece of food (usually a chip) hitting the gum at the wrong angle and hurting for a second.
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I think CD should make a Top 10 list of things he dislikes about discussing/analyzing college football!
he does this in most threads, he just leaves it to you to organize them into a single thought.
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Luckily, we can have this conversation with zero political strife.
We don't have to worry about either left or right - anyone and everyone all along the spectrum can only form a valid democratic populace if they're informed. Hence, the purposeful - and I keep using that word for a reason - the purposeful deception of the truth online should be criminal. No, you can't get every jackass with too much time on his hands, but these massive bot groups and purposeful misinformation outlets (who play both sides like a maestro) could easily be criminalized.
And YES, they're as bad or worse than any of the other verbal or typed crimes that already exist.
The line between expressing an opinion and "purposeful deception" seems thin to me.
And nearly every meme I see on FB that is political is deceptive, or flat wrong. I have no clue how this could be monitored, or by whom.
It is incumbent on US to deal with it.
It's akin to perjury, it happens fairly often but is rarely prosecuted because of burden of proof. "I didn't understand the question."
"I didn't mean to say that." "I was taken out of context."
Criminalized?
Yeah, establishing that standard in line with 1A is going to be ... near impossible. Shoot, weren’t we calling a list of top college players that was too NFL based clickbait like four months ago?
Exactly...
I agree it's a problem. Hell, I agree it's a major problem.
The problem is that most of the proposed solutions scare me more than the problem.
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Being Southern, I think I can get by without one tooth. Or more.
We drink our corn anyway.
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That's the greatest thing about being a Libertarian! I never have to worry about my party being corrupted by power, because we'll never have any power! :)
We also don't have to worry about offending just one part of the spectrum. I can usually offend both side with just a couple of statements
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if you can drink cotton gin, you can certainly drink corn squeezings
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Luckily, we can have this conversation with zero political strife.
We don't have to worry about either left or right - anyone and everyone all along the spectrum can only form a valid democratic populace if they're informed. Hence, the purposeful - and I keep using that word for a reason - the purposeful deception of the truth online should be criminal. No, you can't get every jackass with too much time on his hands, but these massive bot groups and purposeful misinformation outlets (who play both sides like a maestro) could easily be criminalized.
And YES, they're as bad or worse than any of the other verbal or typed crimes that already exist.
Knowing that people hold this opinion about "free speech" doesn't give me much hope.
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It is an unethical practice.
Ever heard of TANSTAAFL? There ain't no such thing as a free lunch?
Where did "free lunch" come from, and why did Robert Heinlein feel compelled to invent (or popularize) this acronym with which to describe it?
Gilded Age bars catering to working me would offer free lunches. Mostly made up of salty sandwiches and snacks, so that the customers would feel thirsty and buy more beer.
Unethical then, unethical now.
Just like all the public-policy equivalents.
Two of my favor sayings Tanstaafl and Caveat Emptor
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I tend to be wary of Latin sayings. Especially if I'm buying.
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JT's first fumble of the year arguably cost UW the game last weekend. Continuing that drive at the UI 17 would have put it away, with clock alone.
The end of that game was just a burp of bad things for UW all at once.
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Another thing I dislike is the "calculations" of odds to make the playoff. Such burfle.
I'm sure folks click on the link and then feel bad or better depending. Burfle, all of it.
We all understand Clemson has a pretty clear shot, and then the other undefeated teams, and then some one loss teams. Duh.
It's in part an amalgamation of gambling math, which is interesting if that's your thing, or the value of it on the sport is your thing.
It's at least better than folks who project all the way out and then lament what hasn't happend for the BIAS. (WHAT IF THE B1G CHAMP IS LEFT OUT?!?!?)
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My list of things I don't like:
1. Top ten lists.
The end.
I secretly am fascinated by them because they trigger something so strange in our brains.
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The end of that game was just a burp of bad things for UW all at once.
Oh, no doubt. But if that fumble doesn't happen, I'm thinking the INT doesn't happen either, because the game would have been done.
No doubt about it. UW crapped the bed last week. Now we can only hope that Illinois doesn't beat them twice!!
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An upset of a 20+ point favorite is always an amalgamation of "bad things", depending on your POV.
I recall when a bad Stanford upset USC, a 42 point favorite. I think that is the biggest I can recall in "recent history".
Rarely does a 20 point dog line up and just take it to the favorite.
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I recall in many years "we" go late in the season worried about how many undefeateds there are and then Upset Saturday hits and whoosh.
I don't think it can be predicted. Folks call out "trap games" but I'm not sure they are more often losses than regular games. It does seem as if a team coming off a big win loses fairly often, but maybe that is because we make that as an excuse.
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An upset of a 20+ point favorite is always an amalgamation of "bad things", depending on your POV.
I recall when a bad Stanford upset USC, a 42 point favorite. I think that is the biggest I can recall in "recent history".
Rarely does a 20 point dog line up and just take it to the favorite.
pretty sure that's the largest spread upset of all time.
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I secretly am fascinated by them because they trigger something so strange in our brains.
Humans seem to like lists, as I have noted, top ten bbq places in the US for example. Burfle.
i think we may like it if we have been to one of them so we can brag? It is akin to visitors to Paris running around checking off the sights with their Nikons a fluttering.
did you enjoy Paris? Oh yes I saw X and y and z and r and d....
loudest stadium? Why do we care? A list of loud places would be fine without trying to parse them In a ranking of arbitrary nature.
click bait.
i blame al gore
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I blame Bob Stoops
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Why limit it to online deception?
Make it cover spoken, written, and printed communication.
That way, nearly every political speech, love letter, television commentary, and newspaper editorial will involve criminal activity.
Again, this isn't a situation in which we simply throw our hands up and cite free speech.
There could easily be a formal opt-in process for news outlets. The criminalization of purposeful deception would only threaten those entities that opt in as legitimate outlets. Thus, all of the trash could be ignored and taken with a huge grain of salt (but mostly ignored) and those who stand behind what they do would be held accountable.
This isn't some crazy scheme, it's re-drawing the line that used to exist between murky, shady BS and actual journalism. That line has been smeared, blurred, and now doesn't even exist anymore. This would simply re-draw it. It's not about stifling free speech, simply categorizing legitimate and illegitimate outlets and making it known - everyone would know those few outlets willing to put their asses on the line to be held accountable and risk prosecution.
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All the existing news outlets have fractured, separated, and catered to the masses' wilingness to believe anything....their online homepages are criss-crossed with ads amongst their actual news stories. It needs a reset button, that's all.
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SMU and Houston tonight.
Looks like the mid-week mega thread got locked.
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There's a new one now. We'll leave it up for the remainder of the season.
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Humans seem to like lists, as I have noted, top ten bbq places in the US for example. Burfle.
i think we may like it if we have been to one of them so we can brag? It is akin to visitors to Paris running around checking off the sights with their Nikons a fluttering.
did you enjoy Paris? Oh yes I saw X and y and z and r and d....
loudest stadium? Why do we care? A list of loud places would be fine without trying to parse them In a ranking of arbitrary nature.
click bait.
i blame al gore
We turned media into a capitalism of caring. And for some reason, we care about loud places. (We actually care about things we like being rated well, yelling someone we don’t know is wrong and general rating processes, which is why even smart people on here discuss issues with the AP and coaches poll)
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An upset of a 20+ point favorite is always an amalgamation of "bad things", depending on your POV.
I recall when a bad Stanford upset USC, a 42 point favorite. I think that is the biggest I can recall in "recent history".
Rarely does a 20 point dog line up and just take it to the favorite.
That’s accurate, but there was a compression of things that go from the favorite up 9 with the ball on the underdog 25 with less than 7:30 left to an upset.
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When Cuse won at Louisville as a 39 pt dog, they actually had a big lead and then held on for dear life in the end.
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btw the Howard +48 win over UNLV is the biggest upset in college history. Of course if you're just counting conference matchups, then yeah Stanford/USC, Cuse at Lvl. Liberty was a 40+ dog winning at Baylor a couple years ago too.
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We should not be shocked by upsets, surprised, yes, chagrined, at times, but not shocked. Obviously the mild upsets are not that notable unless the game is nationally important. The big ones are statistically probable during a season ("big" = 20+ point dog winning). And that often involves a ranked team.
We also have cases like Clemson @ UNC where there was not an upset but the margin was much less than this line.
I wonder if any folks who bet on CFB end up in the black over time. The House has a 10% vig, correct? If the line is usually about right, it would be tough to beat. Maybe some fan bases bet their own team too much, but the Big Money probably doesn't. The Big Money is probably on the House.
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I read in the Milwaukee paper that this Illinois upset was the largest in the B1G since 1982, when NU shocked Minnesota. Or it might have been bigger? Can't recall and can't find the article right now.
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UI over UW indeed was very large, I don't recall the spread, the game seemed unimportant before it happened.
Purdue beat OSU a couple years back of course.
I guess ASU over Michigan doesn't count as a conference game.
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wondering what the ASU over Nebraska spread was back in 96
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All the existing news outlets have fractured, separated, and catered to the masses' wilingness to believe anything....their online homepages are criss-crossed with ads amongst their actual news stories. It needs a reset button, that's all.
Facebook launches a news section - and will pay publishers
https://apnews.com/95fc841e4f3f4b0ab4414cbd9719acf5
(https://apnews.com/95fc841e4f3f4b0ab4414cbd9719acf5)What could possibly go wrong!
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We should not be shocked by upsets, surprised, yes, chagrined, at times, but not shocked. Obviously the mild upsets are not that notable unless the game is nationally important. The big ones are statistically probable during a season ("big" = 20+ point dog winning). And that often involves a ranked team.
We also have cases like Clemson @ UNC where there was not an upset but the margin was much less than this line.
I wonder if any folks who bet on CFB end up in the black over time. The House has a 10% vig, correct? If the line is usually about right, it would be tough to beat. Maybe some fan bases bet their own team too much, but the Big Money probably doesn't. The Big Money is probably on the House.
Vig is less than that. IIRC, 54-55 percent against the spread is very good. 58 and you can buy a building.
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Ah, thanks, I heard 10% somewhere, 5% sounds more realistic, closer to blackjack and roulette.
I wonder what proportion of their profits come from each segment of gambling. Maybe sports betting is half of it?
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One can of course bet on stocks with a pretty low "vig (commission) using options.
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All the existing news outlets have fractured, separated, and catered to the masses' wilingness to believe anything....their online homepages are criss-crossed with ads amongst their actual news stories. It needs a reset button, that's all.
If you're interested in biographies, I highly recommend The Chief, the biography of William Randolph Hearst.
I think you'll find that the idea of deceptive journalism is not the least bit new.
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Vig is less than that. IIRC, 54-55 percent against the spread is very good. 58 and you can buy a building.
At -110 odds, the break even point is winning 52.4% of your bets.
So yes, 54-55% is pretty good, and a consistent 58% would be remarkable.
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I just learned two new words, which I will soon forget:
monadnock
inselberg
Both mean about the same thing nearly as I can understand.
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Vig is less than that. IIRC, 54-55 percent against the spread is very good. 58 and you can buy a building.
Provided you're disciplined enough to be betting the same amount.I went 3-4 one Saturday in CFB and lost money - DOH!!!If you bet the same amount you have to win I think it is 53% of the time to turn a profit.Factoring the time to handicap - it really isn't worth it
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I have never bet money on sports (that I recall).
We used to have "sig bets" around here.
We used to have that remarkably goofy Vol fan too. I imagine he has made his billions playing roulette where he had a perfect scheme. On roulette.
The current B1G crowd here is entirely too level headed and sensible.
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I have never bet money on sports (that I recall).
We used to have "sig bets" around here.
We used to have that remarkably goofy Vol fan too. I imagine he has made his billions playing roulette where he had a perfect scheme. On roulette.
The current B1G crowd here is entirely too level headed and sensible.
I did some covert research, by typing in "crunchimus maximus" into google. Here he is:
https://www.volnation.com/forum/members/devo182.65122/
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I'm not clicking on that
But, I did enjoy/put up with Crunch
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Crunch would have had a stroke at 0-2 this season, and disappeared for a month, then reappeared blaming Pruitt for all their ills.
Broken record.
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He'd blame Pruitt, and then tell us how Jon Gruden is coming.
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I've placed a handful of bets this year since IN legalized sports betting. It's shoebox money so just for kicks.
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I think it can add enough entertainment value to be worth it, seriously. Shoe box money can be spent on a lot of things that may not make a lot of rational sense but is fun anyway. That's rational enough for me.
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I'm pretty sure I've won more than I've lost the past 5-10 years, but before that............ yikes
I'm certain I'm not even
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I went to a convention in LV in 1980. I was brand new to the job. I stayed a week at Caesar's, was entirely new to gambling. I swam a lot that summer at home and found I could not get from room to pool without going through casino (or anywhere else of course).
The first night I won somewhere around $200 at roulette, and I had recently been making about $5,000 a year as a grad student.
And of course over the course of the rest of the week I had a lesson in probability that was painful, but perhaps beneficial longer term.
My very first foray into options back in the day was also a major success. I bought 3 calls on Storage Technology which proceeded to "take off" and make me over a grand.
That also misled me for obvious reasons.
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Provided you're disciplined enough to be betting the same amount.I went 3-4 one Saturday in CFB and lost money - DOH!!!If you bet the same amount you have to win I think it is 53% of the time to turn a profit.Factoring the time to handicap - it really isn't worth it
Back when I really followed CFB a lot more closely, I tracked picks for an entire season against the spread, and posted the picks publicly on my blog the day before the games.
I had a few rules:
- I would pick Purdue, Indiana, and Notre Dame games, but I didn't actually count them against my results because I couldn't analyze those games non-emotionally. So those were just for fun.
- I waited until 2 weeks into the season to start counting results, because there's too much variance with roster turnover each year to analyze teams before 2 games had been played.
- I would pick every B1G game.
- I would try to pick marquee matchups or games where I thought the line was just "off".
This worked out to probably picking about 8-9 "counted" games per week.
Across the entire season, I picked at 62.5% against the spread. I thought that was pretty stellar.
And then I did the math. If I had actually been bet $110 per game, each week I'd be risking almost $1000 out of pocket. At the end of the season, I'd have pulled down about $2000 profit. And unless it was @MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) 's "shoe box money"--and $1000 a week certainly wasn't shoebox money at the time, a single bad week could decimate my bankroll.
I could also have reduced my risk to shoebox money levels by betting smaller amounts, but that would mean my profit would be substantially lower too.
While $2000 over 3 months work would be nice extra money, it didn't seem worth the risk when you're talking about 1-2 consecutive bad weeks being VERY painful and possibly putting an end to your betting season. And reducing the risk by betting less money might help to avoid that problem, but then if your total profit is $500 or $1000 over three months, it hardly seems worth the significant amount of time and effort it takes to make good picks.
Unless I wanted to start risking enough money to make it a livelihood, I couldn't bet high enough to secure a large enough profit to stomach the risk.
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That is the issue I have with betting. I won't bet "enough" to endanger my financial well being, and if I bet less than that, it necessarily means any winnings won't help me at all. I play a bit of blackjack (once every two years about) and might lose $100, or win $100, but unless I ENJOY the experience and environment it's a waste of time for me.
I could go up to $1000, but the same thing applies. Even if I won $1000, it wouldn't change anything about my financial situation. If I lost a grand, I'd be bummed a bit for being stupid.
I still do covered call options at times but that is "insurance" and additional income in effect. I have some long term options still from work and I do buy puts at times when I think the stock is too high (as it is right now). I think those puts have always expired out of the money.
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That is the issue I have with betting. I won't bet "enough" to endanger my financial well being, and if I bet less than that, it necessarily means any winnings won't help me at all. I play a bit of blackjack (once every two years about) and might lose $100, or win $100, but unless I ENJOY the experience and environment it's a waste of time for me.
I could go up to $1000, but the same thing applies. Even if I won $1000, it wouldn't change anything about my financial situation. If I lost a grand, I'd be bummed a bit for being stupid.
Exactly. $1000 dollars in winnings won't change my life. $1000 in losses won't either. But the pain of feeling stupid losing $1000 is greater than the good feelings I'd get from winning $1000.
That's why I'll also very occasionally (maybe once every 3-4 months) buy a $10 or $20 lotto ticket, even though I know the odds are so long that it's a ridiculous bet. In that case, the "loss" is not even felt. It's less than a typical round of drinks for my wife and I. But the win would be enough to completely change my financial well-being.
And with the lotto, that makes it fun. Because until I check those numbers, I *might* be a millionaire.
(That said, the lotto calculation changes completely if you're spending $10-20 or more per week, because that will eventually add up to real money over the course of a few years.)
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Very sensible, think of it as entertainment. Heck, I dropped $300 on a ticket to the SEC CG last year, and it was unpleasant at the end, but overall a neat experience. I had not been in MB stadium before, the cost of hot dogs shocked me, I thought it had to be a misprint.
I wasn't really hungry but had to try one at that price (it was so so).
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You guys need to see the size of MH's shoebox. Dood has some big feet.
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Yup.
The wife finally has apparent confirmation of her leg issues, and it's not great news, she needs surgery, hopefully to repair her implant (hip replacement) and worst case replace it. So, we've had to rearrange some travel plans, but it would be great if this gets her back "on her feet".
Best case is they put a ceramic coating on hip joint and that fixes it.
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I'm headed to the golf course this afternoon
probably for the last time this season, since I'm going to the Husker game tomorrow. Saturday will be very nice, mid-60s and sunny.
time to put the golf shoes back in the box
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Back when I really followed CFB a lot more closely, I tracked picks for an entire season against the spread, and posted the picks publicly on my blog the day before the games.
I held my own for a few seasons back/forth.Belonged to a few handicapping forums where players would exchange info.The real money to be made IMO was on the non - marquee match ups.Use to follow the bottom feeders in the MAC for instances.Not like line/odds makers spend too much time going over those(back then).Had plenty of action with the local books so no need to travel to Lost Wages.Spent a lot of time figuring/factoring in variables of a game.I'd look up Teams records in games played day/night,home/away,grass/turf,common opponents,weather,injuries - it got maddening after awhile they were just numbers & letters blurring together.The Good Thing was stumbling into College Football News and reading their staff picks sometimes throwing up my arms and going with Clucko the Chicken - and winning,go figure.Pete Fuitak said it Clucko was a coin flip.One day I noticed a link under the address bar on the upper left that said "Forums" and so here I am and the rest as they say is History.
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Yup.
The wife finally has apparent confirmation of her leg issues, and it's not great news, she needs surgery, hopefully to repair her implant (hip replacement) and worst case replace it. So, we've had to rearrange some travel plans, but it would be great if this gets her back "on her feet".
Best case is they put a ceramic coating on hip joint and that fixes it.
This is much better news than most people with sciatic pain get. I'd count my blessings if I were in your spot.
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I'm headed to the golf course this afternoon
probably for the last time this season, since I'm going to the Husker game tomorrow. Saturday will be very nice, mid-60s and sunny.
time to put the golf shoes back in the box
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Why would you put away your golf shoes. November-March is great golfing weather.
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Shoebox money: 1. A dollar amount that doesn't exceed the amount you are willing to pay for shoes. 2. The type of money thrown into a shoebox, and often out of sight out of mind in your closet.
In 2019 dollars I will spend between $40-$500 for shoes. I do own a lot of shoes. My sports bets tend to be a circa 1998 definition of shoe box money. $20-$100. My horse bets will be anywhere from $2 to $150.
I will freely and openly admit to my wins/losses, not that anyone cares. I don't tout, I simply do this for entertainment. I've hit 2/3 parlays this year (Wins: 3 team all dogs, all lucky back doors, 2 team all favs, easy win. Loss: a $10 5 team, was peer pressured, :), got crushed, led off by BC getting humiliated by KU on a Friday night). Parlays are really really stupid bets, but really fun, when you get into a lather talking about the week's games with friends. I would never lay more than $50 on a two game, $25 on a three, or more than $20 on a 4+. I also broke my golden rule, never do a parlay involving a Thur/Fri game, as your weekend is ruined before GameDay airs. My other rule, never bet on Nebraska, but only against them. I was rewarded for this in the BC era. Their helmet status clouded people's judgment, they didn't understand, this isn't Nebraska. Another saying we had in college, post-college. 'your diversified portfolio should include, low cost mutual funds, or ETFs, six months worth of cash savings and Bill Snyder ATS'). KST was a such a great value play for years.
I generally start with the principal, there is no way I can have high confidence in more than two games. I'm not thinking clearly if I tell myself that there are more than two games which are the proverbial 'lock.' It just isn't likely. You are buying a lottery ticket with those parlays, except the ping pong balls are teenagers and 20 somethings, with wobbly kickers and people that turn the ball over.
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@MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) clearly has a larger shoe budget than I do.
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I will say that I really don't gamble. The last two times I went to Vegas, I wagered a combined dollar between the two trips. (Had a dollar in my pocket, did one pull on a slot machine, and that was it).
That said, I haven't been to Vegas during college football season. If I had, I would LOVE to sit in a sportsbook watching all the games with 4-5 different bets on the line. Makes things interesting.
I don't particularly like pure games of chance, like blackjack, roulette, craps, slots, etc. I've always liked poker although I haven't played in years, which isn't a pure game of chance. And I like the idea of sports betting, if for no other reason than you can lose a hand of blackjack and be out $20 in about 45 seconds. You can lose a sports wager but it takes 3-4 hours and there can be all sorts of ebbs and flows. And like poker, it's not "you against the house" where you're a mathematically likely loser the moment you lay a bet per se--it's your forecasting ability measured against reality, and the house just takes its vig.
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Only the Allen Edmonds (and couple pairs of nice boots) get the high cost attention. They last. I have 3 pairs of AE which I've been wearing since the 90s. Cedar shoe trees, a periodic shining and keeping them dry, and they should last for a long time. AE also does excellent restoration for about $90, that will get you another decade out of them.
I won't pay $100 for tennis shoes/sneakers.
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I will say that I really don't gamble. The last two times I went to Vegas, I wagered a combined dollar between the two trips. (Had a dollar in my pocket, did one pull on a slot machine, and that was it).
That said, I haven't been to Vegas during college football season. If I had, I would LOVE to sit in a sportsbook watching all the games with 4-5 different bets on the line. Makes things interesting.
I don't particularly like pure games of chance, like blackjack, roulette, craps, slots, etc. I've always liked poker although I haven't played in years, which isn't a pure game of chance. And I like the idea of sports betting, if for no other reason than you can lose a hand of blackjack and be out $20 in about 45 seconds. You can lose a sports wager but it takes 3-4 hours and there can be all sorts of ebbs and flows. And like poker, it's not "you against the house" where you're a mathematically likely loser the moment you lay a bet per se--it's your forecasting ability measured against reality, and the house just takes its vig.
that's my profile. I went to Vegas once, nearly all waking non-eating hours were spent at the Sportsbook(s). Its good times to have $10 riding on some guy hitting a late FT, or making a stop. It is a great multi hour thrill. A close friend laid some heavy action on UW vs MSU hoops when we were out there. Way too heavy. Zack Morley came through for him on the FT, but it was a white knuckle 2 hours for him. Great stuff to watch.
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Random SOC thought.
A few weeks back, ELA lamented the slip of Army since Monken could've been an interesting guy at Illinois before the Wisconsin upset.
But the other two option coaches are looking kinda feisty right now.
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Only the Allen Edmonds (and couple pairs of nice boots) get the high cost attention. They last. I have 3 pairs of AE which I've been wearing since the 90s. Cedar shoe trees, a periodic shining and keeping them dry, and they should last for a long time. AE also does excellent restoration for about $90, that will get you another decade out of them.
I won't pay $100 for tennis shoes/sneakers.
I'm an engineer, so I don't have to wear "dress shoes" to work. If I had a pair of Allen Edmonds, they'd probably last me the rest of my life. Frankly, the pairs of dress shoes I own [much less expensive] might come close to doing that though lol ;-)
Although I will say that my last trip to the New Balance outlet store cost me about $100 each for two pairs of running shoes, one of which I wear to work, and the other for exercise.
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I wear boots on pretty much any occasion that would call for dress shoes. I have 6 pair, but I'm not THAT crazy because 3 of them were inherited from my grandfather. I keep the uppers in good shape by cleaning with saddle soap and have them half-soled or full-soled and re-heeled every few years as needed.
And I'm a runner, so I go through a pair of $120 New Balance about every 4-6 months. If you like New Balance and know exactly what you need (and don't care much about the colors), you can often find the predecessor models at deep discounts on Joe's New Balance Outlet so on average I'm usually only paying $60-$80 for that pair of $120 running shoes.
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Why would you put away your golf shoes. November-March is great golfing weather.
Ed Zachery in Dante's Hood where you reside it's June/July/August that make it untenable
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Ed Zachery in Dante's Hood where you reside it's June/July/August that make it untenable
Totally. Nobody should ever move here.
Thank You For Your Support
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I don't mind discussing politics with someone rational and reasonable.
If that person is not able to admit that the party they are aligned with is a part of the probelm and guilty of the same crap tactics as the other party, then I refuse to have a discussion.
In this two party system, neither party is clean. IMO
This is what gets me - the total lack of awareness once either side sucks you into its narrative, and a total blindness to “their side” using the same tactics that they’ve built an entire political identity around opposing from the “other side.” Cable News (looking at you too Laura Ingram) is the worst offender at conditioning (dumbing down) the population’s innate option to free-think politics.
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Totally. Nobody should ever move here.
Thank You For Your Support
I feel like I should get some sort of stipend for leaving.
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Totally. Nobody should ever move here.
Thank You For Your Support
No worries,I like to walk on docks not hide under them for shade >:( j/k
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I don't even pay $100 for golf shoes
and I have bad feet, very flat