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betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #28 on:** October 21, 2019, 02:18:10 PM »

Quote from: LittlePig on October 21, 2019, 01:52:35 PM

Lol, it never occurred to me that the Mich-Wiscy result could be considered a fluke. That was such a dominant performance by Wisconsin, leading I think 38-0 in the 3Q.

Time will tell, I guess. Right now I am confident that Wisconsin is much better than Michigan. Which is why the ILL-Wisc game makes my head spin.

I think so too. Yeah, that was a bad [and head-scratching] loss to Illinois.

But every team has those from time to time, like Ohio State getting absolutely clobbered by Purdue last year. OSU was still the best team in the conference by far last year IMHO, and Purdue was nowhere close. But, one team gets hot, gets some turnovers and/or big plays, and boom, you have 49-20. In that game last year it was largely that Ohio State kept getting into the red zone and coming up empty. They moved the ball without a problem between the 20s, but stalled out when it came to putting points on the scoreboard.

Wisconsin had more 1st downs than Illinois, and had a MUCH better 3rd down conversion rate. Had over 100 more total yards. Dominated time of possession, holding the ball for over 40 minutes. Wisconsin had a 75% completion rate (24 of 32), while Illinois was 9-21 (43%) passing the ball. That's... not great.

But Wisconsin was also -2 in the turnover margin, and had too many drives end in FG (or missed FG in one case). They had 60 penalty yards to only 15 for Illinois.

Let a team that "shouldn't have a chance" hang around into the 4th quarter, and crazy things happen. This was just one of those weeks.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 21, 2019, 04:02:28 PM »

Quote from: LittlePig on October 21, 2019, 01:52:35 PM

Lol, it never occurred to me that the Mich-Wiscy result could be considered a fluke. That was such a dominant performance by Wisconsin, leading I think 38-0 in the 3Q.

Time will tell, I guess. Right now I am confident that Wisconsin is much better than Michigan. Which is why the ILL-Wisc game makes my head spin.

It felt that way to me as well, but I'm trying to look at both in context to figure that out.

Even if Wisconsin is comfortably better than Michigan, are they really THAT much better? I don't think so. Watching that M/UW game, the Badgers looked light years ahead. As you pointed out, it was worse even than the final score indicated. However, that just doesn't fit with Michigan's other performances. Otherwise they appear to be pretty good.

Wisconsin is just a Jeckyll and Hyde right now. In four B1G games they were great in two and not good at all in two:

Against Michigan the Badgers won by 21 in a game that wasn't even that close. That is way better than PSU (beat them by only 7), Iowa (lost to them by 7) and Illinois (lost to them by 17).
Against Michigan State the Badgers won by 38. That is considerably better than tOSU (beat them by 24), better than Indiana (lost to them by 9), and better than Northwestern (lost to them by 21).
Against Northwestern the Badgers won by 9. That isn't even close to as good as tOSU (beat them by 49). It is also not as good as MSU (beat them by 21) and only slightly better than Nebraska (beat them by 3).
Against Illinois the Badgers lost by 1. That is the worst of any B1G team against the Illini. Minnesota (by 23), Michigan (by 17), and Nebraska (by 4) all beat them.

In the two games against schools from Michigan the Badgers have looked like EASILY the best team in the conference. Their wins over M and MSU were MUCH stronger than PSU's and tOSU's wins over the Wolverines and Spartans. In their other two games the Badgers look decidedly pedestrian.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 21, 2019, 04:07:45 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on October 21, 2019, 02:18:10 PM

(L)ike Ohio State getting absolutely clobbered by Purdue last year. OSU was still the best team in the conference by far last year IMHO, and Purdue was nowhere close. But, one team gets hot, gets some turnovers and/or big plays, and boom, you have 49-20. In that game last year it was largely that Ohio State kept getting into the red zone and coming up empty. They moved the ball without a problem between the 20s, but stalled out when it came to putting points on the scoreboard.

That game was a year ago yesterday. I was at an Eagles Concert in Cleveland so I missed it. I got out of the concert and checked my phone. It showed the score (ugh!) and a stat. The stat showing was that Dwayne Haskins was 49/73 (67%, not bad) for 470 yards (one of the highest yardage totals in tOSU history) with 2 TD's and one INT (2:1 TD:INT isn't terrible). I sent my brother a text that asked: "How the hell do you throw for 500 yards and only score 20 points?" The bold/underlined portion of your post is the answer.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #31 on:** October 21, 2019, 04:26:22 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 21, 2019, 04:07:45 PM

That game was a year ago yesterday. I was at an Eagles Concert in Cleveland so I missed it. I got out of the concert and checked my phone. It showed the score (ugh!) and a stat. The stat showing was that Dwayne Haskins was 49/73 (67%, not bad) for 470 yards (one of the highest yardage totals in tOSU history) with 2 TD's and one INT (2:1 TD:INT isn't terrible). I sent my brother a text that asked: "How the hell do you throw for 500 yards and only score 20 points?" The bold/underlined portion of your post is the answer.

Exactly, and it's a big reason the Badgers lost. If you look at their stats, they average 74% touchdowns in the red zone through the year. They got 40% (2 of 5) on Saturday. The only other game that they were poor at converting TDs in the red zone was, surprise surprise, Northwestern, where they converted 1 of 2 (50%) red zone trips for a TD.

If you want to put away an inferior team, you need 7 in the red zone, not 3.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 21, 2019, 04:36:32 PM »

Ohio State - 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 - No debate at least until Saturday at noon.
Penn State - 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,4 - Weird game.
Wisconsin - 2,2,2,2,2,2,4,3 - WTF was that? It happens, happened to Ohio State last year (Purdue) and the year before (Iowa).
Michigan - 4,4,5,5,4,4,2,2 - 0-2 against teams above this, 3-0 against teams below this.
Iowa - 5,5,4,4,5,6,5,6 - Close but they got the W.
Minnesota - 6,9,10,10,10,8,13,10 - Undefeated but I still don't completely trust that.
Michigan State - 7,6,6,6,7,7,7,9 - Two blowout losses to the B1G's best teams.
Northwestern - 8,7,7,9,9,10,9,7 - Ouch.
Purdue - 9,12,12,12,12,11,10,5 - They do seem improved but is it going to be enough to go bowling?
Indiana - 10,11,11,11,11,13,12,12 - Close but they got the W.
Nebraska - 11,8,9,8,6,9,6,8 - off.
Maryland - 12,10,8,7,8,5,8,11 - What happened to this season? Haven't I asked that about this team in previous seasons as well?
Illinois - 13,13,13,13,13,12,11,13 - For 20 minutes they completely dominated and outscored Michigan 25-0. Then they went and pulled the biggest upset of the year so far. So are they the team that dominated Michigan for ~20 minutes and beat Wisconsin or are they Illinois?
Rutgers - 14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14 - Still Rutgers.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 22, 2019, 12:29:34 PM »

Results posted, votes through @medinabuckeye1 , 15 voters.

It seems oddly unfair that we dropped Northwestern three spots for getting blown out by the team that is now unanimously #1.

Other than that, not too much change:

UW and PSU traded #2 and #3.
Nebraska was up 1.5 spots on an off week mostly due to Northwestern sinking.
Purdue was up 0.5 spots.
Illinois was up two spots for their upset of Wisconsin.
Maryland was down a spot.

Hawkinole · « **Reply #34 on:** October 23, 2019, 02:15:31 AM »

Award me a boobie prize since my rankings were exactly in-line with the group, which must be my first time in hx, as I might be considered an historical outlier.

Big Beef Tacosupreme · « **Reply #35 on:** October 23, 2019, 02:34:10 PM »

I know I'm late, but I have 2 minutes...

1. Ohio State - No doubt about it now

2. Wisconsin - I don't know what to say about that Illinois game, but they have been so dominant..

3. Penn State - The home atmosphere and the refs helped PSU tremendously. Not sure they would beat UM on a neutral field. Michigan State has their number, if they can win they will move up.

4. Michigan - Their season is not lost. If they win out I think they end up in the Rose Bowl. I think they will beat ND.

5. Minnesota - Undefeated, but I'm still not sure if they belong with the teams at the top of the B1G.

6. Michigan State - Just like Michigan, they have had a brutal schedule, but they are a good team.

7. Iowa -

8. Indiana - This team is good enough to win their next 2 games. They could be 7-2 when they visit Penn State in 4 weeks. With the rise of Minnesota and Indiana, Penn State's upcoming schedule looks MUCH more difficult than it did earlier in the season.

9. Nebraska -

10. Purdue -

11. Illinois - Can't justify putting them higher than this, but if they play the rest of the season like they did against Michigan and Wisconsin they will keep moving up.

12. Northwestern -

13. Maryland - This is the worst coached team in the B1G. They have REALLY good players on both sides of the ball, and yet the coaching is so bad...

14. Rutgers - I'm actually feeling pity for them right now.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 25, 2019, 05:28:50 PM »

FWIW:
I did enter @Big Beef Tacosupreme 's vote and his input will be included in the totals going forward but I did not redo the compilation because there was no major change.

Geolion91 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 25, 2019, 07:44:24 PM »

Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on October 23, 2019, 02:34:10 PM

3. Penn State - The home atmosphere and the refs helped PSU tremendously. Not sure they would beat UM on a neutral field

Yeah, PSU got some bad calls going their way, but so did Michigan. On the drive setting up their 3rd TD, there was an end run that set up 1st and goal (I think) that had a blatant hold that sprung the runner that didn’t get flagged at all.

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