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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #196 on: April 30, 2020, 12:34:26 PM »
That sounds right to me.  It's been years-- decades really-- since I was really into Mustang Club and such. Way back when, I knew a lot more of the lingo that the true collectors and historians used.  That was an option that I'd do without as well, but if I ever bought one that had it original, I'd somehow learn to live with it. :)

Also, I'm fine with the 289.  I'm not much of a racer, my i s c & a aggie wife refers to my driving as "granny-like" and that's okay with me.  I haven't been stopped for speeding since I was 18.
You can buy a crate 302 from Ford Performance Parts in various states of hotness and various degrees of pricing outrageousness.  Click on the part number to get the price.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/engines/#302

Cheaper to go to outside suppliers.

https://blueprintengines.com/collections/ford-crate-engines

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/shop/ford-small-block-v8-crate-engines~131086-13-10-344-15341
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« Reply #197 on: April 30, 2020, 12:40:30 PM »
You can buy a crate 302 from Ford Performance Parts in various states of hotness and various degrees of pricing outrageousness.  Click on the part number to get the price.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/engines/#302

Cheaper to go to outside suppliers.

https://blueprintengines.com/collections/ford-crate-engines

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/shop/ford-small-block-v8-crate-engines~131086-13-10-344-15341
Heh, thanks!


Maybe someday I'll buy that 65 I've always wanted.  And put a brand new engine in it!  A man can dream, can't he.


Of course, then CD might accuse me of being an old man with a small penis, so maybe I won't do that after all... 

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #198 on: April 30, 2020, 01:04:57 PM »
there was always a bit of room with cubic inches and litres to come up with the sexier number
The 289 had a 4" bore and a 2.75" stroke.  Racing series with 5-liter displacement limits were starting to emerge by 1965 or so, and Ford (coincidentally, perhaps) increased the 289's stroke to 3" to get the 302.  The closest equivalent to 5.0 liters is 305 cubic inches.
So Ford raced the 302 (Boss 302 in '69 and '70) in Trans-Am racing, Chevy raced a 302 (a de-stroked 327, IIRC), Pontiac (with no small-block engines) raced a big-block de-stroked to 303, Plymouth (and Dodge?) raced a de-stroked 340, AMC raced a de-stroked AMC motor of some sort.
Yeah.  "5-liter" just has a ring to it that "4.9-liter" doesn't.
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« Reply #199 on: April 30, 2020, 01:08:56 PM »
Does a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon count as a "sporty" car? 

I mean, it's slow as molasses... And it handles terribly. 

But you don't have to worry about whether or not the curb leading to your driveway will rip the air splitter off the front end just trying to get into the driveway. In fact, you don't have to worry about curbs, or boulders, or small tree stumps, or...

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« Reply #200 on: April 30, 2020, 01:09:02 PM »
The 289 had a 4" bore and a 2.75" stroke.  Racing series with 5-liter displacement limits were starting to emerge by 1965 or so, and Ford (coincidentally, perhaps) increased the 289's stroke to 3" to get the 302.  The closest equivalent to 5.0 liters is 305 cubic inches.
So Ford raced the 302 (Boss 302 in '69 and '70) in Trans-Am racing, Chevy raced a 302 (a de-stroked 327, IIRC), Pontiac (with no small-block engines) raced a big-block de-stroked to 303, Plymouth (and Dodge?) raced a de-stroked 340, AMC raced a de-stroked AMC motor of some sort.
Yeah.  "5-liter" just has a ring to it that "4.9-liter" doesn't.
No doubt.  I'm sure you'd agree, Vanilla Ice's classic rap song "Ice Ice Baby" would not have been the same without the iconic lines:

"Rollin'
In my Five Point Oh
With the the ragtop down
So my hair can blow"


Rolling in my 4 point 9 would not have cut it.  Also doesn't rhyme with "blow" so there you have it.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #201 on: April 30, 2020, 01:14:12 PM »
No doubt.  I'm sure you'd agree, Vanilla Ice's classic rap song "Ice Ice Baby" would not have been the same without the iconic lines:

"Rollin'
In my Five Point Oh
With the the ragtop down
So my hair can blow"


Rolling in my 4 point 9 would not have cut it.  Also doesn't rhyme with "blow" so there you have it.

Yeah, well a real rapper can think of something that rhymes with nine...

Err, why even rhyme? They'd probably just talk about being strapped with their nine...

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« Reply #202 on: April 30, 2020, 01:17:34 PM »
Yeah, well a real rapper can think of something that rhymes with nine...

Err, why even rhyme? They'd probably just talk about being strapped with their nine...
Oh, later in the rap, Vanilla does exactly that!  TWICE!!!!




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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #203 on: April 30, 2020, 01:19:09 PM »
I like Jeeps.  Not sure I'd call them "sporty" but they're fun.  My best friend in high school had a CJ5 Renegade, we spent a lot of time around the lake in that thing.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #204 on: April 30, 2020, 01:24:19 PM »
you think this is attractive, but have a problem with the C8 Corvette???

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Hers was the "pre-facelift" model.  A sea-blue version of this.  Which is better IMO than the later version with the rectangular headlights.


I think that's a better example of automotive styling than the C8 Corvette.
It doesn't look faster, or more aggressive, or more eye-catching.  But, IMO, it's a better job of styling for a 4-seat hatchback with somewhat sporty capabilities than the C8 Corvette is for a super-high-performance 2-seater.
But, as I've said elsewhere, we live in an ugly age.
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #205 on: April 30, 2020, 01:33:11 PM »
I think the rigidity today is about the same, even convertibles are pretty rigid now (not as).

The Cd is not as low as for a sedan.

This is somewhat akin to the length of a ship and it's top speed.
If the rigidity is the same, the weight is probably greater.
As I understand your reference to a ship, it's the longer the hull for a given beam, the faster.  I don't understand how that relates to Cd on a hatchback vs. a coupe.
Interestingly (or not), the Mustangs that won the Trans-Am championships in '66 and '67 were notchback coupes, not 2+2 fastbacks.  Maybe they were lighter or more rigid--I don't know.
We've got the "C and D" combination everywhere you look on this thread.
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« Reply #206 on: April 30, 2020, 01:34:23 PM »
Car and Driver = C/D
Cincydawg = CD
Drag coefficient = Cd
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« Reply #207 on: April 30, 2020, 01:40:10 PM »
No doubt.  I'm sure you'd agree, Vanilla Ice's classic rap song "Ice Ice Baby" would not have been the same without the iconic lines:

"Rollin'
In my Five Point Oh
With the the ragtop down
So my hair can blow"


Rolling in my 4 point 9 would not have cut it.  Also doesn't rhyme with "blow" so there you have it.
Never heard of it.
But "nine" can work in a pinch.
It worked well for the Beach Boys in "409."
And for Ronny and the Daytonas in "Little GTO."
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #208 on: April 30, 2020, 01:45:26 PM »
I bought a '30 Ford wagon and we call it a woody
(Surf City, here we come)
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #209 on: April 30, 2020, 01:52:45 PM »
And she'll have fun fun fun 'til her daddy takes her T-bird away.

Which reminds me of another car I always liked:


 

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