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longhorn320

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9814 on: October 27, 2020, 02:28:38 PM »
folks like to go back 8 months ago and lay blame

that was 8 months ago and we are spiking in new cases today

so what should we be doing differently now not 8 months ago

unless of course you want to blame POTUS today which doesnt seem right

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9815 on: October 27, 2020, 02:30:13 PM »
does the federal government have the authority to require masks in North Dakota?

enforceable or not

I understand, the image of the POTUS behind a podium with a mask on and his message pleading with all americans to wear masks wouldn't hurt, not sure how much it would help.  It would help some, whether that would be measureable or not.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9816 on: October 27, 2020, 02:30:22 PM »
SF, again, the blame game cuts in many ways, and we really shouldn't go there as a country because a whole lot of mistakes were made, and still are in my opinion.


Are you talking about this leader on February 24?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pelosi+chinatown&docid=608041222011882091&mid=E986EA76E645DDB14AE3E986EA76E645DDB14AE3&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

She looked really nice after that hair styling too. OK, not really. Heh.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9817 on: October 27, 2020, 02:34:03 PM »
SF, again, the blame game cuts in many ways, and we really shouldn't go there as a country because a whole lot of mistakes were made, and still are in my opinion.


Are you talking about this leader on February 24?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pelosi+chinatown&docid=608041222011882091&mid=E986EA76E645DDB14AE3E986EA76E645DDB14AE3&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

She looked really nice after that hair styling too. OK, not really. Heh.


Or this leader on February 2?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=diblasio+go+about+your+normal+lives&&view=detail&mid=806D29A14D1082B0381B806D29A14D1082B0381B&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Ddiblasio%2520go%2520about%2520your%2520normal%2520lives%26qs%3DMM%26form%3DQBVDMH%26sp%3D1%26pq%3Ddeblaio%2520go%2520about%2520%26sc%3D1-17%26cvid%3DF8AE16AAC7BA447C8BBEDB849EBA4EBB


Or this leader, up until May 10?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/gov-cuomos-controversial-order-requiring-nursing-homes-to-admit-covid-19-patients-was-reportedly-removed-from-new-yorks-health-website/ar-BB14GiNL


And all the rest of these leaders?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/26/democrat-governors-sending-covid-patients-nursing-/


Or this leader, banning travel to/from Florida/Wisconsin and sending his family there anyway during the lockdown?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gov-jb-pritzker-acknowledges-family-members-have-been-in-florida-and-wisconsin-during-coronavirus-shutdown/ar-BB149sRG





OK, so the POTUS should have set an example and wore a mask. He underplayed it too, although I think he was kinda trying to not scare the hell out of people at a time of serious unknown. I agree with that 100 percent. But let's not pretend nobody else made any very bad mistakes. He also made some very good decisions and made sure a lot of good things happened.


If we really want to lay blame, Look to the CCP, and the WHO.


https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

You're citing what democratic leaders did IN LIEU  of leadership from the top.  Trump absconded any responsibility so that he'd have no accountability.


You can't honestly need that to be said, do you?  You know this.  All of his zealots know this.  And yet he's still leading in Ohio.  What on earth is happening in Ohio that isn't in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania?  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9818 on: October 27, 2020, 02:35:00 PM »
does the federal government have the authority to require masks in North Dakota?

enforceable or not

I understand, the image of the POTUS behind a podium with a mask on and his message pleading with all americans to wear masks wouldn't hurt, not sure how much it would help.  It would help some, whether that would be measureable or not.
It would help because a large % of the precise population refusing to wear masks worships him.  It's not complicated.  Monkey see, monkey do.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9819 on: October 27, 2020, 02:35:45 PM »
folks like to go back 8 months ago and lay blame

that was 8 months ago and we are spiking in new cases today

so what should we be doing differently now not 8 months ago

unless of course you want to blame POTUS today which doesnt seem right


Stop.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9820 on: October 27, 2020, 02:36:38 PM »
by large percentage are you imagining 10%?

I'd say that would be the top limit for Trump lovers in my area

and I'm not in a Blue area
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9821 on: October 27, 2020, 02:37:29 PM »
by large percentage are you imagining 10%?

I'd say that would be the top limit for Trump lovers in my area

and I'm not in a Blue area
10% of the 'refuse to wear a mask' crowd?  I was thinking more like 75%
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9822 on: October 27, 2020, 02:39:21 PM »
Leadership matters, and no leadership in the country matters like Presidential leadership. You all know this, but for some unknown reason you fight it every chance you get.

It is stunning the lengths people will go to avoid accountability for the person most accountable.

Were things different on March 1 than May 1? Then June 1? Then August 15? Etc., etc.? Of course. And throughout that entire time, up until the present, you know what the President did. It's not a secret, it's not a conspiracy, and it was wrong. And it still is. People died because of him--tens of thousands of them. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9823 on: October 27, 2020, 02:46:04 PM »
folks like to go back 8 months ago and lay blame

that was 8 months ago and we are spiking in new cases today

so what should we be doing differently now not 8 months ago

unless of course you want to blame POTUS today which doesnt seem right
Well, there are things to blame him for today...

Such as not telling us we're "turning the corner" as we're seeing huge rises in cases, coupled with the expected time-delay lag of seeing increases in hospitalizations and deaths. 

Such as not repeatedly holding rallies with huge crowds who are largely unmasked [even if outdoors], and other superspreader events such as the event introducing his SCOTUS nominee which is the likely cause of a cluster of cases both within his administration, the Senate, and others in attendance.

Such as not claiming that the media just keeps saying "COVID, COVID, COVID, cases, COVID" in order to hurt him politically as if this isn't not a serious pandemic. He's still downplaying it; and it's almost gotten worse since he had it. 

does the federal government have the authority to require masks in North Dakota?

enforceable or not

I understand, the image of the POTUS behind a podium with a mask on and his message pleading with all americans to wear masks wouldn't hurt, not sure how much it would help.  It would help some, whether that would be measureable or not.
No, the federal government, to my knowledge, does not have the authority to invoke a national mask mandate. This would fall under the general "police powers", which with some limited exceptions, are seen as state powers. 

As for what he's doing, I'd settle, quite frankly, for silence or simply saying "listen to the medical experts". Instead he's consistently sending messages that go exactly counter to what medical experts are trying to put forward. Such as the debate, where he said "I have a mask, I wear a mask sometimes." and pulled it out of his suit jacket pocket, before saying about Biden "That guy, it's like every time I see him he's wearing a mask, it's like he never takes it off." Which does nothing but reinforce his stupid blowhard machismo as if he's more of a man than Biden because he's not seen with a mask. 

I'll give Trump somewhat of a pass on what he did in March. Nobody knew much of anything then, and even if he told Woodward that it was a big deal, that was basically only the L strain and probably not the G, GH, or GR strains which are much more transmissible and took over. 

But from April on, he's consistently downplayed it, opposed measures which helped with social distancing, tweeted his minions to "liberate" the states with lockdowns, modeled poor behavior by having large maskless gatherings on MANY occasions, both before and after his SCOTUS nominee superspreader event, and generally told people it's going to disappear and he's going to have a vaccine for us by the election. All the while he's tried to make it partisan by blaming it on Democrat-run cities or states, as if red states have handled this well. 

It's hard to imagine someone giving WORSE messaging and optics on this thing than he's given since April. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9824 on: October 27, 2020, 02:48:04 PM »
Leadership matters, and no leadership in the country matters like Presidential leadership. You all know this, but for some unknown reason you fight it every chance you get.

It is stunning the lengths people will go to avoid accountability for the person most accountable.

Were things different on March 1 than May 1? Then June 1? Then August 15? Etc., etc.? Of course. And throughout that entire time, up until the present, you know what the President did. It's not a secret, it's not a conspiracy, and it was wrong. And it still is. People died because of him--tens of thousands of them.
what should the President do today to save all these people SF
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9825 on: October 27, 2020, 02:52:10 PM »
Now I would like to know what we should be doing differently, right now. Mandates don't work, which we know.

I would like to see 100 percent mask wearing everywhere. It's good here in FL (except in Miami, for some reason), but not in places like North Dakota.
Mandates absolutely work. Note: they don't even need to be enforced to work. 

For example, here in CA we have a mask mandate. Orange County in particular (because our officials hate Newsom) are doing absolutely nothing to enforce it. But there's SOCIAL pressure that is much stronger when there's a mandate:

  • Businesses don't need to risk alienating their customers by being pro-mask. They can point "blame" to the mandate. I saw this very one last weekend at a brewery. They require a mask when you are not at your table, such as going to the bar to order another beer. The guy in front of me wasn't wearing his in line, and the bartender wouldn't take his order until he put it on. He huffed and puffed a little, but he put the mask on. 
  • Many people look at what they're required to do or not do as evidence for what they should or should not do. That's dumb, but hey, that's humanity. So a non-zero portion of the public is going to wear a mask if there's a mandate who would NOT wear a mask without one. 
  • When there is a mask mandate, and someone is in a crowded or public area without one, they get dirty looks. When you have a policy of "it's your decision to wear or not wear a mask" it makes it a lot harder for other individuals to exert that social pressure on someone for non-compliance. 

Now, would I support huge penalties and draconian enforcement of a mask mandate? No, but having it be a mandate is a much stronger signal to influence behavior than not. 


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9826 on: October 27, 2020, 02:55:03 PM »
10% of the 'refuse to wear a mask' crowd?  I was thinking more like 75%
% of the population that worship him?

I'll agree to around 75% of the refuse to wear a mask crowd, maybe.  Probably closer to 40-50%
gotta be a few liberals that hate masks and refuse to wear them
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9827 on: October 27, 2020, 02:59:23 PM »
Mandates absolutely work. Note: they don't even need to be enforced to work.

For example, here in CA we have a mask mandate. Orange County in particular (because our officials hate Newsom) are doing absolutely nothing to enforce it. But there's SOCIAL pressure that is much stronger when there's a mandate:

  • Businesses don't need to risk alienating their customers by being pro-mask. They can point "blame" to the mandate. I saw this very one last weekend at a brewery. They require a mask when you are not at your table, such as going to the bar to order another beer. The guy in front of me wasn't wearing his in line, and the bartender wouldn't take his order until he put it on. He huffed and puffed a little, but he put the mask on.
  • Many people look at what they're required to do or not do as evidence for what they should or should not do. That's dumb, but hey, that's humanity. So a non-zero portion of the public is going to wear a mask if there's a mandate who would NOT wear a mask without one.
  • When there is a mask mandate, and someone is in a crowded or public area without one, they get dirty looks. When you have a policy of "it's your decision to wear or not wear a mask" it makes it a lot harder for other individuals to exert that social pressure on someone for non-compliance.

Now, would I support huge penalties and draconian enforcement of a mask mandate? No, but having it be a mandate is a much stronger signal to influence behavior than not.


Where have mandates worked?

California???

California had 3500 new cases just yesterday

California is far from a good example of mandates working
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