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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9828 on: October 27, 2020, 03:05:36 PM »
what should the President do today to save all these people SF
What he should do is immediately apologize for his failure to lead on this subject, state unequivocally the need to wear masks and maintain social distancing, and model that behavior.

Because he is preternaturally incapable of apologizing, I'd settle for him saying that as he's learned so much more about this, he knows now that what we need to do--now, and going forward--is wear masks and maintain social distancing...and model that behavior. And he can't just say it in passing like it's pulling teeth to get him to say it, he has to say it like he means it--you know, like he would talk about China, or his wall, or Biden's corruption; things he wants people to listen to him about. 

You all know what that looks like, and you know it's what he should do. And you know he won't do it--and that he should have done it months ago.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9829 on: October 27, 2020, 03:10:28 PM »
Where have mandates worked?

California???

California had 3500 new cases just yesterday

California is far from a good example of mandates working
California has a population of almost 40M people, and is thus roughly 12% of the entire US population.

Yesterday the country had 69,841 cases according to worldometers, and California accounted for only 5.5% of that. California accounted for only 43 deaths yesterday against 529 nationally, or 8% of deaths. 

Since this whole thing started, California has accounted for about 10.2% of cases, and about 7.5% of deaths compared to nationally. 

So on both cases and deaths, California, which should comprise 12% of both nationally, is below those numbers. 

 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9830 on: October 27, 2020, 03:11:12 PM »
Where have mandates worked?

California???

California had 3500 new cases just yesterday

California is far from a good example of mandates working
You do realize there are about 40 million people in California? California is 34th (50th being the best) in per capita infections, despite having far denser population centers than most of the states above it on this list, and 45th in new cases per capita in the last week.

So yeah, the leadership in California is working.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9831 on: October 27, 2020, 03:17:50 PM »
Leadership matters, and no leadership in the country matters like Presidential leadership. You all know this, but for some unknown reason you fight it every chance you get.

It is stunning the lengths people will go to avoid accountability for the person most accountable.

Were things different on March 1 than May 1? Then June 1? Then August 15? Etc., etc.? Of course. And throughout that entire time, up until the present, you know what the President did. It's not a secret, it's not a conspiracy, and it was wrong. And it still is. People died because of him--tens of thousands of them.
And some people died in NY, etc. because of other actions that had nothing to do with anyone else.

I would prefer we focus on today than things that happened 8 months ago.

And I'm not defending the POTUS. He downplayed it, didn't wear a mask, got the virus and I don't think he should be holding rallies. He is still not the person most accountable. That person is in Beijing. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9832 on: October 27, 2020, 03:24:19 PM »
For POTUS, this would be a good start:



But I think he just order a backhoe. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9833 on: October 27, 2020, 03:25:03 PM »
 Back to politics again I see.  

Why do you guys bother trying to argue with these liberals. Yes I mean the ones on this forum. The same people who told you before the pandemic that they hated Trump and  it would never believe a word he said or support A thing he did.  Now they’re trying to act like it’s his fault because he didn’t wear a mask and everybody’s following him LOL

They try to act like their heroes, the Democratic leaders, are actually wearing masks when they get caught every day not wearing them. They try to act like their other heroes the media Talking Heads who chastise everybody who’s not wearing a mask or actually believing what they’re saying and they get caught every day not wearing them.

They try to act like the real spread which came from college campuses were students aren’t political but just aren’t wearing masks or these huge protests with riots didn’t spread it.

They are contributing to the worlds greatest false narrative which I’ll give credit to the media for having done a masterful job. That Trump created the virus in his personal laboratory and that they have better ideas about how to fix it or have illustrated a single solitary thing that proves they know what they’re doing or that they are listening to science.   

Not one of them has an ounce of credibility as far as I am concerned. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9834 on: October 27, 2020, 03:25:30 PM »
You do realize there are about 40 million people in California? California is 34th (50th being the best) in per capita infections, despite having far denser population centers than most of the states above it on this list, and 45th in new cases per capita in the last week.

So yeah, the leadership in California is working.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9835 on: October 27, 2020, 03:27:20 PM »
Back to politics again I see. 

Why do you guys bother trying to argue with these liberals. Yes I mean the ones on this forum. The same people who told you before the pandemic that they hated Trump and  it would never believe a word he said or support A thing he did.  Now they’re trying to act like it’s his fault because he didn’t wear a mask and everybody’s following him LOL

They try to act like their heroes, the Democratic leaders, are actually wearing masks when they get caught every day not wearing them. They try to act like their other heroes the media Talking Heads who chastise everybody who’s not wearing a mask or actually believing what they’re saying and they get caught every day not wearing them.

They try to act like the real spread which came from college campuses were students aren’t political but just aren’t wearing masks or these huge protests with riots didn’t spread it.

They are contributing to the worlds greatest false narrative which I’ll give credit to the media for having done a masterful job. That Trump created the virus in his personal laboratory and that they have better ideas about how to fix it or have illustrated a single solitary thing that proves they know what they’re doing or that they are listening to science. 

Not one of them has an ounce of credibility as far as I am concerned.


Youre right

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9836 on: October 27, 2020, 03:35:00 PM »
Why do you guys bother trying to argue with these liberals.


Well, I don't know if we have any true liberals in the way that is defined today, which is much different than it was even 10 years ago. I suspect most of us are closer to the same than otherwise.. We all want the best for our country, even though how that looks to some might be different than it does to others.

I think we all wear masks, do our research and follow the guidelines set out by the doctors and scientists. If not, wouldn't at least some of us have been lost by now?

I don't view this as arguing, honestly. I view it as presenting ideas and discussing policy.

It got politicized, unfortunately, as soon as the POTUS closed travel to/from China. Turns out that it was the right thing to do. A lot of lives were saved with that decision.

This board is unified, I believe. Healthy discussion on this is a good thing. However, the blame game does none of us any good. We need to find a path forward and deal with this damn mess we were deliberately placed in.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9837 on: October 27, 2020, 03:49:40 PM »
For POTUS, this would be a good start:



But I think he just order a backhoe.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu6PH9E5jiA


Boy that’s rich when you consider that this loony Biden character often can’t remember what city he is in, who he is actually running against, needs a nap after one or two days of campaigning, and has been caught in so many obvious lies and flip-flops that he does not know up from down LOL.  He needs five commercial grade backhoes
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9838 on: October 27, 2020, 03:50:20 PM »
Back to politics again I see. 

Why do you guys bother trying to argue with these liberals. Yes I mean the ones on this forum. The same people who told you before the pandemic that they hated Trump and  it would never believe a word he said or support A thing he did.  Now they’re trying to act like it’s his fault because he didn’t wear a mask and everybody’s following him LOL

They try to act like their heroes, the Democratic leaders, are actually wearing masks when they get caught every day not wearing them. They try to act like their other heroes the media Talking Heads who chastise everybody who’s not wearing a mask or actually believing what they’re saying and they get caught every day not wearing them.

They try to act like the real spread which came from college campuses were students aren’t political but just aren’t wearing masks or these huge protests with riots didn’t spread it.

They are contributing to the worlds greatest false narrative which I’ll give credit to the media for having done a masterful job. That Trump created the virus in his personal laboratory and that they have better ideas about how to fix it or have illustrated a single solitary thing that proves they know what they’re doing or that they are listening to science. 

Not one of them has an ounce of credibility as far as I am concerned.
Nice strawman, HB! You really demolished it!

I criticized Newsom on here within the last 48 hours over his Thanksgiving "regulations", pointing out that he was coming across as a nanny state regulator digging into minutiae instead of focusing on a big-picture message, and based on the level of regulation he was trying to put onto family gatherings--which he can't remotely enforce--I'm surprised he wasn't giving out side dish recipes to go along with the turkey.

I gave him credit back in March for a solid response, but he's spent most of the last several months coming up with asinine regulations which I am convinced are not science-based on how things should/can reopen. Most notably, his stupid "health equity metric" which stops counties from continuing to reopen when meeting the numbers overall if the rich part of the county is exceeding the metrics by a lot while the poor parts of the county aren't. 

There's plenty of screwup to go around, but when the guy with the biggest bully pulpit in the known world is saying exactly the wrong thing for months, and actively modeling the wrong behavior for months, are you saying we can't criticize that? 

Everyone's still on the riots, which many of us AT THE TIME were concerned would lead to spread. 

Like July 17 when I said outright I believed it contributed to the spread: https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/sports-and-coronavirus/msg227484/?topicseen#msg227484

And on June 9 when I was referring to someone saying the media says protests can't spread the virus by linking to multiple news pieces suggesting that protests could increase the spread: https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/sports-and-coronavirus/msg224652/?topicseen#msg224652

And on June 17 when I said that the way the timeline works at the point when the early numbers weren't showing a protest spike was looking at it too early, and I expected the spike to play out more slowly due to the protests but still expected there would be one: https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/sports-and-coronavirus/msg227419/?topicseen#msg227419

Yet I'm somehow a "liberal" now. 

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« Reply #9839 on: October 27, 2020, 03:54:33 PM »
Well, I don't know if we have any true liberals in the way that is defined today, which is much different than it was even 10 years ago. I suspect most of us are closer to the same than otherwise.. We all want the best for our country, even though how that looks to some might be different than it does to others.

I think we all wear masks, do our research and follow the guidelines set out by the doctors and scientists. If not, wouldn't at least some of us have been lost by now?

I don't view this as arguing, honestly. I view it as presenting ideas and discussing policy.

It got politicized, unfortunately, as soon as the POTUS closed travel to/from China. Turns out that it was the right thing to do. A lot of lives were saved with that decision.

This board is unified, I believe. Healthy discussion on this is a good thing. However, the blame game does none of us any good. We need to find a path forward and deal with this damn mess we were deliberately placed in.
No- we are not unified.  And why do I, or any of us want to come talk about football and have to hear liberal talking points. 
Biden’s plan is just a photocopy of what’s already been done.  After that senile fucker wins they will pack the Supreme Court to make sure that it fits their social agenda and is no longer a judicial branch, they will create a majority in the Senate if they don’t already have one by adding senators for Puerto Rico and Washington DC, they will institute more policies that make me pay my hard-earned money to people that are in this country illegally, and so on and so on so on. I come here to get away from those realities which I’m sure will happen but this place is no longer an escape but just a reminder of the stupidity.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9840 on: October 27, 2020, 04:09:24 PM »
California has fared pretty well, so far.  I add that because this virus seems to show up in states later than did well earlier, and vice versa.  NY State is doing OK today, as is NJ.  The bad states today did fairly well earlier.

Sweden was looking like a failure and then it got better, and now it's getting worse again, but not as fast as France et al.

Our daughter says everyone is wearing a mask in France and working from home, traffic is way down, etc., and still it's spreading, they had 52,000 reported new cases two days ago, about half that yesterday.

Georgia, which has a relatively high black population (31.5%) and large urban center is doing comparatively well.  We also have a lot of obese people, not good for the mortality numbers.  Deaths are running about 25 per day, while new infections are closer to 1500.

The hypothesis that different strains are behaving differently is interesting, as I noted, and perhaps Europe is seeing a new strain now that has caused, or exacerbated, this latest outbreak.

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« Reply #9841 on: October 27, 2020, 04:18:33 PM »
It would help because a large % of the precise population refusing to wear masks worships him.  It's not complicated.  Monkey see, monkey do.
False.  Again.  Take a look at these maps. Red areas of Florida and blue. And then overlay the coronavirus map and a striking truth becomes obvious: the coronavirus cases are heavily concentrated in the blue areas. Try this with very many states in our nation and you’ll get the same result.

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