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Kris60

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9506 on: October 18, 2020, 10:00:26 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 18, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
He didn't shut down anything.  He absconded all responsibility (and thus - accountability) and made it fall to the governors.
 That is not absconding responsibility.  That is following the Constitution.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9507 on: October 18, 2020, 10:03:24 PM »
I think mistakes were made earlier on.  Some of the verbiage was inaccurate, in my view.

Today, however, I don't know what else we could be doing.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9508 on: October 18, 2020, 11:24:43 PM »
Purdue Coach Jeff Brohm tests positive one week before Iowa @ Purdue.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9509 on: October 19, 2020, 12:55:57 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on October 18, 2020, 10:00:26 PM
That is not absconding responsibility.  That is following the Constitution.


No no no no no, I'm not talking going full-tyrant absurdity (like Trump would prefer in a different situation).  I'm talking being a good leader and using your influence for good.  Saying, "hey, everyone, this is a serious virus."  Or something like, "this is likely going to spread and you need to take precautions."  


Basically the opposite of what he did.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9510 on: October 19, 2020, 06:04:01 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 19, 2020, 12:55:57 AM
No no no no no, I'm not talking going full-tyrant absurdity (like Trump would prefer in a different situation).  I'm talking being a good leader and using your influence for good.  Saying, "hey, everyone, this is a serious virus."  Or something like, "this is likely going to spread and you need to take precautions." 


Basically the opposite of what he did.
He declared a national health emergency in early February before the first US death had been reported from Covid.  He restricted travel from China before the first US death had been recorded. Biden called him xenophobic for doing it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9511 on: October 19, 2020, 07:11:59 AM »
I personally would have SAID different things in March than Trump SAID.  I'm not sure how much difference it would have made.  I might also have panicked everyone into hoarding something weird, like say toilet paper.

But given Trump down played this, and he did early on, what should WE be doing NOW that we are not doing?

National mask mandate from the President?  Really?  Make it enforceable by Federal "mandate"?  Then local police would have no purview and many would be directed to ignore the law, which likely is unconstitutional anyway without legislation, and perhaps even with.  The local police enforce local and state laws.

Or we could allow each governor and mayor to respond to the local situation which will be vastly different from NYC to Boseman, MT.

We have a local mask "mandate" in Atlanta that really is nothing, it's entirely optional, I'd wage not a single ticket has been written.  I see police out with masks around their necks, or in their pocket.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9512 on: October 19, 2020, 07:16:32 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 18, 2020, 06:38:21 PM
Pretty much agree. ( I will say, the supposed strategy of getting real about lockdowns to flatten the curve was the right move and those in power can, and did , positively impact that).  And it is fair to debate the “ balance” of economic viability versus the spread.

but I don’t think it’s fair or realistic to blame the pandemic on one person or party, and in fact those doing that I’m many cases don’t even believe what they themselves are saying.  They have ulterior motives. 
I do. 


CCP.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9513 on: October 19, 2020, 07:20:31 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 19, 2020, 07:16:32 AM
I do.


CCP.
But OAF says there is no evidence lol.  
Then he insults people of faiths because “ they believe in things that don’t exist”.  

talk about hypocrisy lol.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9514 on: October 19, 2020, 07:23:45 AM »
France has 67 million residents and is reporting 30,000 cases per day.  The US is reporting 50,000 cases with nearly 330 million residents.

Germany, which has done well to date, is also showing a spike higher than they were in March now.   All of Europe is going up, rather quickly.

Possible factors?

restarting school
cooler weather keeping folks more indoors
relaxation of individual hygiene and isolation and masks
more folks back at work

Anything else?  The school item is coincident at least.  I can see that in summer folks likely remained more at home.  The wife thinks the August vacations were out of control and that young people started partying like it was 2014.

Will this spike level off again, as it did previously, without hard steps being taken?  

I think there will be a rush to get any vaccine out perhaps with a temporary clearance for some portion of the population.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9515 on: October 19, 2020, 07:24:36 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 19, 2020, 07:20:31 AM
But OAF says there is no evidence lol. 

Can any of us not steeped in biochemistry and virology and the data know for sure?  (Either way.)
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9516 on: October 19, 2020, 07:24:46 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 18, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
He didn't shut down anything.  He absconded all responsibility (and thus - accountability) and made it fall to the governors.
Read the Constitution. Don't re-write it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9517 on: October 19, 2020, 07:26:23 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 18, 2020, 10:03:24 PM
I think mistakes were made earlier on.  Some of the verbiage was inaccurate, in my view.

Today, however, I don't know what else we could be doing.
I keep asking the same thing.

My view is "we" are doing all we can. I hope someone is planning the counter-attack on China.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9518 on: October 19, 2020, 07:27:51 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 19, 2020, 07:24:36 AM
Can any of us not steeped in biochemistry and virology and the data know for sure?  (Either way.)
So we should insult people who have faith if we dont?   Come on man.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9519 on: October 19, 2020, 07:30:01 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 19, 2020, 07:24:36 AM
Can any of us not steeped in biochemistry and virology and the data know for sure?  (Either way.)
Anyone who knows anything about the CCP and their motivations should know.
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