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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9520 on: October 19, 2020, 07:32:41 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 19, 2020, 07:27:51 AM
So we should insult people who have faith if we dont?  Come on man. 
I try not to insult anyone of any stripe.  I merely note that technically I do not know if this virus was man made with intent to cause such damage.  Even if the CCP is nefarious (and I agree they are), they may not have "cooked this up" with intent.

Most of the stories I've read indicate the virus is zoonotic and natural, and that is at least a good possibility.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9521 on: October 19, 2020, 07:52:35 AM »
That's the thing. We don't know, and probably will never know. The CCP is good at what they do.

Even if it was not cooked up, I can straight up say without doubt or second guessing myself that they knowingly unleashed this upon us after they knew they had it, and they did it far earlier than most believe. Like, well over a year ago.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9522 on: October 19, 2020, 08:16:20 AM »
I suspect it would have been picked up over a year ago due to the unexpected deaths of elderly, which doesn't show up in our mortality rates.

Excess mortality in the US rose in March coincident with reported COVID deaths.  It actually increased more.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9523 on: October 19, 2020, 08:18:38 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9524 on: October 19, 2020, 08:26:24 AM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9525 on: October 19, 2020, 08:33:55 AM »
https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/articles/the-coronavirus-outbreak-331371

This looks to me like a solid review of what's known currently about COVID.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9526 on: October 19, 2020, 08:48:27 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 19, 2020, 08:26:24 AM
Again, that report is rather speculative, in my view.

https://theconversation.com/was-coronavirus-really-in-europe-in-march-2019-141582


Italy was showing it in December.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-sewage-idUSKBN23Q1J9


Our own @GopherRock  was there then, and came down with a pretty bad illness a couple weeks later.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9527 on: October 19, 2020, 08:51:13 AM »
I really do think had it been around much earlier we would have noticed.  It's very contagious obviously, and dangerous for the elderly who at the time were not protected at all.  I got sick in France in early February, but I don't think it was COVID.  I had very heavy congestion and coughing consistent with bronchitis which I've had a few times.

The spike in March and April is pretty obvious, I think.
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« Reply #9528 on: October 19, 2020, 08:56:04 AM »
I bet you had it.

Had to go to the ER on Friday (allergic reaction). Got tested for Covid, Flu and Strep. I had strep. Weird. I didn't know that was making the rounds, but it is.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9529 on: October 19, 2020, 09:07:42 AM »
Strep in one form or another is always making the rounds.  We individually may come into contact with some version of Strep almost daily.

My symptoms were not at all like what is reported for COVID.

I really do not think this was "out" before December of last year.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9530 on: October 19, 2020, 09:15:17 AM »
There is some evidence that it was in California in November.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9531 on: October 19, 2020, 09:18:16 AM »
Yeah I don't think it's crazy to say it could have been in California that early.  That's the beginning of flu season so people that caught it then, might have just thought it was the flu, and not even bothered going in to a doctor for it.

If it didn't make it into the most vulnerable populations at that time, we wouldn't have seen the death toll increase.  It wasn't until it hit the retirement homes in Seattle that we really saw the deaths rising in the USA.  And then there was NY and NJ...

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #9532 on: October 19, 2020, 09:21:01 AM »
It would have spread rapidly had it been here earlier, just as it spread rapidly in March.  I could not explain how it could have NOT spread and been noticed in December and then spread in March as fast as it did.

The flu season in December was not remarkable.

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« Reply #9533 on: October 19, 2020, 09:22:48 AM »
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