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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6734 on: July 12, 2020, 10:39:46 PM »
next time you take a week off will you take OAM with you
Eh, that's some minor stuff.  I'm most worried about what I see being stated by some of the actual smart people around here.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6735 on: July 12, 2020, 10:41:00 PM »
I don't think any of that is disagreeable, except giving fellow countrymen the benefit of the doubt.  A random American is no more honest or trustworthy than the average Mexican or Norwegian or Indonesian.  I give evidence the benefit of the doubt, because it removes doubt.

Anyway, the possible problem with your post is something like the war in Iraq.  We attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.  That was objectively wrong.  I'm no less patriotic for saying it's wrong and for wanted it to stop immediately.  The person who figures hey, we're there, you're only patriotic if you cheer for us to "win" - whatever that meant - is a baffoon.  I'm not saying you've suggested that. 

Pretending that your country is more ethical or moral that than its actions suggest is not patriotism.  It's simply silliness.  Do you disagree?
I don't disagree.

Further, calling out its wrongs is not necessarily unpatriotic.  Martin Luther King was not unpatriotic.  He called us out for not living up to our founding creed.  That's the deal.  Our founding creed was something that had never existed in the world.  We have often not lived up to it, because we are flawed human beings and it is a very high ideal, but its existence gave power to MLK's protests.

Hoping the soldier on the other side kills our soldier (which you did not say, but many people did during the Vietnam War and perhaps since) is unpatriotic.  Saying "America sucks and Americans suck!" (which is how I read some of your assertions) is IMO unpatriotic.

"My country right or wrong" is often cited as simpleton patriotism.  G.K. Chesterton wrote that it was something no true patriot would say.

But the original, spoken as a toast by Stephen Decatur, naval hero of the Barbary Wars and the War of 1812, included the idea of "may she always be in the right."
Two variants, somewhat different in meaning:
1. "Our country – In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right, and always successful, right or wrong."
2. "Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong."
I'll stand by either of those.
Going to war cannot be objectively wrong, because there is no objective standard.  In 20-20 hindsight, it seems that invading Iraq was probably wrong, or that it went in the wrong direction.
Sometimes, oftentimes, it is not clear what is best for our country.  I thought back in 1991 that it would have been better for us to take out Saddam Hussein instead of leaving him in power to continue to oppress his own people and support lethal mischief in the region.  (I still think so.)  But we didn't do that, because the Arab members of the Gulf War coalition wouldn't have supported us in taking that action.  It's not clear even now if leaving him in power was wise or foolish restraint.
Bush 43 had a lot of top advisors who had been key players in the Bush 41 administration.  I suspect that some or many of them may have viewed that as a job left undone.  Maybe that affected their judgment for the worse.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6736 on: July 13, 2020, 08:28:32 AM »
I'm quite certain it's not the best.  AND THAT'S OKAY!

Why is the argument always about the U.S. being #1????  It's somehow a crime to suggest maybe the U.S. is 7th best or 3rd or 20th. 
Why?
It saddens me that someone with this attitude is teaching children in this country. You obviously do not understand the phrase American Exceptionalism. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6737 on: July 13, 2020, 08:34:11 AM »
It's facile in my view to claim one country, or one citizenship, is uniquely this way or that, worse or better, in general.

One can individually harbor an opinion of course that Country A is "the best", but it always is an opinion based on which criteria are most important to that person, and at times, can be rather badly informed.

It's like these lists of top ten BBQ places in the US, nobody seriously could know, and if somehow they tried them all, it's still their opinion based on their tastes.

One could of course calculate some aspects of what best would mean for a country.  But which factors get emphasized again rely on opinion.

At the top of my list of "Things I usually dislike" are of course top ten lists.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6738 on: July 13, 2020, 09:43:25 AM »
It's facile in my view to claim one country, or one citizenship, is uniquely this way or that, worse or better, in general.

One can individually harbor an opinion of course that Country A is "the best", but it always is an opinion based on which criteria are most important to that person, and at times, can be rather badly informed.

It's like these lists of top ten BBQ places in the US, nobody seriously could know, and if somehow they tried them all, it's still their opinion based on their tastes.

One could of course calculate some aspects of what best would mean for a country.  But which factors get emphasized again rely on opinion.

At the top of my list of "Things I usually dislike" are of course top ten lists.
Theres BBQ places other then in Texas?

What a waste.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6739 on: July 13, 2020, 10:58:33 AM »
Theres BBQ places other then in Texas?

What a waste.
Yeah, a couple Texas brothers brought the art to Atlanta a few years back, it seems to be catching on ....


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6740 on: July 13, 2020, 11:01:00 AM »
Newly reported cases in GA dropped to 2,525, but as noted this could be because of the weekend reportage trend.  Hospital use continues to go up.

Some local restaurants are reclosing here for dine in, or only offering outdoor dining.

I have seen five near us permanently closed, one has not reopened yet, a burger place.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6741 on: July 13, 2020, 11:51:18 AM »
Estimates here in Austin are that, by November, 90% of all music venues will die off and be permanently closed.  That sucks for those club owners, and also for all of the musicians who have basically been out of work since March 13th and will continue to be so, indefinitely.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6742 on: July 13, 2020, 12:18:31 PM »
Another 12K+ cases in Florida yesterday, following by 15K+ reported for Saturday. I do know that the number of tests has gone up tremendously, which is good.

I had one done 2 weeks ago today. No results yet.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6743 on: July 13, 2020, 12:20:34 PM »
musicians need to evolve, do some live streaming or find a way to reach fans
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6744 on: July 13, 2020, 01:05:41 PM »
musicians need to evolve, do some live streaming or find a way to reach fans
Streaming just isn't anywhere close to the same as a live performance.  I'm sure some are trying to do something like that, but honestly I wouldn't pay money for a live stream show over the web, or at least not near what I'd pay for that same live performance in a venue.  Really, i'd just be donating money to help an artist out, because I don't have much interest in watching musical performance on the TV or computer.  I'm well past my MTV days. ;)

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6745 on: July 13, 2020, 01:09:44 PM »
musicians need to evolve, do some live streaming or find a way to reach fans
You might as well watch videos on YouTube. Completely different experience. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6746 on: July 13, 2020, 01:17:28 PM »
musicians need to evolve, do some live streaming or find a way to reach fans
I watched a live stream last Sat of one of my favorite artists

only cost $10 and was worth it
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6747 on: July 13, 2020, 01:43:17 PM »
For an act you already like...maybe.

The problem is a lot of bands get discovered by playing a venue with an established reputation.  You are paying the cover relying on that venue's standard of what gets put on their stage.  Then you learn to love the band.

 

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