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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6706 on: July 12, 2020, 08:37:44 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 12, 2020, 07:55:24 PM
Love of country is not blindness to its flaws.  I dearly love my wife, but I do not think that she is without flaws.  I imagine (and hope) that she feels the same about me.

Love of country means you care about it in a way that goes beyond liking where you live and who your friends are.  It means that you are willing to work for its betterment, that when push comes to shove, you favor its welfare rather than its enemies' welfare.

It means you would be willing to give something of yourself, something that might be difficult, disgusting, or even dangerous.

It means that you give your fellow-countrymen the benefit of the doubt.  You can't love America and hate or despise half of the people who live here.

Love of country is literally patriotism.  Or maybe I should put it the other way, patriotism is love of country.

There has never been a country, or even a club, in the world that was without flaws.  We are wrong if we believe that our country is uniquely flawed, or even more flawed than most.  But it is, of course, flawed, like all human creations.

That shouldn't preclude us loving it.

If we love our country, we should gladly, willingly, voluntarily sacrifice our comfort just a bit by wearing masks and social-distancing.  For the benefit of our fellow-countrymen, even if we don't think it's necessary for ourselves.

JMODMIR
This is a much more eloquent way of putting it.

So my last couple of posts, go ahead and just substitute this.  Thanks.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6707 on: July 12, 2020, 08:41:43 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2020, 08:09:44 PM
Right, but you're concerning yourself with what millions of people want (correct me if I'm wrong) and my post concerned itself with what Trump wants and what's motivating him, personally.
And you are working under the assumption you know what is motivating his decisions. Look, you don’t have to convince me of most of what you think are Trump’s character flaws. I’d agree with you most of the time.

Would a restored economy help his re-election chances? Sure, probably.  But I also think he genuinely believes it’s the best decision and I don’t think he is taking the risks lightly.  A crap economy helps his political adversaries but I hope they aren’t at home rooting for unemployment, alcoholism, domestic abuse, and suicides to all go up just because they would personally benefit from it.

I honestly feel for him and every governor, mayor, school official, and whoever else is tasked with making these decisions. 

I just get tired of all the second guessing. I’m with you. I wish a politician could be truthful and say, “I honestly don’t know if this is the best decision but this is what we are going to do and why.” But that would be a sound byte on every political ad of their opponents forever.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6708 on: July 12, 2020, 08:56:48 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on July 12, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
you need to give me an example cause Im not sure what you mean by symbols
The flag is a symbol.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6709 on: July 12, 2020, 08:59:22 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on July 12, 2020, 08:35:37 PM


I live here, I like it here, but I am far from certain that this is the best country.

I'm quite certain it's not the best.  AND THAT'S OKAY!

Why is the argument always about the U.S. being #1????  It's somehow a crime to suggest maybe the U.S. is 7th best or 3rd or 20th.  
Why?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6710 on: July 12, 2020, 09:03:40 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on July 12, 2020, 08:41:43 PM
And you are working under the assumption you know what is motivating his decisions. Look, you don’t have to convince me of most of what you think are Trump’s character flaws. I’d agree with you most of the time.

Would a restored economy help his re-election chances? Sure, probably.  But I also think he genuinely believes it’s the best decision and I don’t think he is taking the risks lightly.  
A restored economy is all he has.  There is no other route to his victory in November.  
I assume he takes every risk lightly, because he has no concept of accountability or consequences.  He bullies his way out of problems....or ignores them....or calls someone a name. 
This isn't about hating Trump, it's about observing 3.5 years of words and actions and applying them to today.  

The whole impeachment was about the simple fact that Trump puts his own, individual interests ahead of the country's.  Period.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6711 on: July 12, 2020, 09:06:42 PM »
Quote from: Big Beef Tacosupreme on July 12, 2020, 08:35:37 PM
Ok, I'll bite.

What standard shall we use?  I'll just pick some.

Happiness?  USA ranks 19th.
Per Capita median income?  USA ranks 6th
Population incarcerated?  USA is far and away #1
Safety?  USA ranked 128th
Freedom of the press?  USA ranked 45th
Life Expectancy?  USA ranked 46th
Human Freedom Index (This one by the Heritage foundation):  USA ranked 17th
Quality of life:  USA ranked 15th
Pollution index:  USA ranked 22
Traffic Commute time:  USA ranked 32
Property price to income ratio:  USA ranked 3
Cost of Living Index:  USA ranked 67
Health Care Index:  USA ranked 30

I live here, I like it here, but I am far from certain that this is the best country.

That’s not really answering the question though. That’s just listing where the US ranks in various categories.  I guess you would have to come up with a composite score from all those rankings to determine best.

Idk. I’m probably the least well traveled person on here.  It just seems like to me the US has more immigrants trying to make this their new home than most other countries. Has to be a reason for that, right?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6712 on: July 12, 2020, 09:10:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2020, 09:03:40 PM
A restored economy is all he has.  There is no other route to his victory in November. 
I assume he takes every risk lightly, because he has no concept of accountability or consequences.  He bullies his way out of problems....or ignores them....or calls someone a name.
This isn't about hating Trump, it's about observing 3.5 years of words and actions and applying them to today. 

The whole impeachment was about the simple fact that Trump puts his own, individual interests ahead of the country's.  Period. 
No.   I talk to a lot of people who don’t like him at all, but plan to vote for him specifically because they can’t stand the thought the left and what the think they bring to the table.  Horrible things.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6713 on: July 12, 2020, 09:10:33 PM »
Outdated propaganda is my guess.  The idea of America, I dare say, is a lot better than the reality of it.  You've got foreign doctors and lawyers coming here and winding up cab drivers and telemarketers.  

But they have AC in their crummy apartment, so it's not all bad.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6714 on: July 12, 2020, 09:11:27 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on July 12, 2020, 09:10:06 PM
No.  I talk to a lot of people who don’t like him at all, but plan to vote for him specifically because they can’t stand the thought the left and what the think they bring to the table.  Horrible things. 
Horrible, awful things!  The scary, blue boogey-man!!!
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6715 on: July 12, 2020, 09:20:42 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2020, 09:10:33 PM
Outdated propaganda is my guess.  The idea of America, I dare say, is a lot better than the reality of it.  You've got foreign doctors and lawyers coming here and winding up cab drivers and telemarketers. 

But they have AC in their crummy apartment, so it's not all bad. 
So go back to being a doctor and lawyer in your home country, right?  I mean if they get here and they realize it was propaganda there is nothing to keep them here toiling in this hell on earth we call the United States.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6716 on: July 12, 2020, 09:24:22 PM »
Here we go again.  Just suggest the US isn't a clear #1, and you've said it's "hell on earth."  


You, and others, are guilty of perpetuating this polarized conversation.  All or nothing.  Love 'Murcia or get the fuck out, right!?

I need to get back to printing and cutting anyway.  Have at it, fellas.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6717 on: July 12, 2020, 09:36:47 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2020, 09:24:22 PM
Here we go again.  Just suggest the US isn't a clear #1, and you've said it's "hell on earth." 


You, and others, are guilty of perpetuating this polarized conversation.  All or nothing.  Love 'Murcia or get the fuck out, right!?

I need to get back to printing and cutting anyway.  Have at it, fellas. 
Lmao. You deal in  sarcasm as much as anyone on here so don’t go clutching your pearls when you are on the receiving end of it.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6718 on: July 12, 2020, 09:44:22 PM »
My guess is the propaganda comes from our own news and the problems this country has overshadow the wealth of opportunities it provides.

Riots get bigger ratings than “Up next, the US is still pretty awesome.”
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6719 on: July 12, 2020, 09:49:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 12, 2020, 09:11:27 PM
Horrible, awful things!  The scary, blue boogey-man!!!
No.  Just people like you.  And those who are on a violent rampage, anarchists, terrorists, you know. 


hypocrite much.  Your so scared of orange man bad!   You should move to one of the other countries you keep bragging about.  
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