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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4998 on: June 08, 2020, 12:19:29 PM »
The thing stopping any President from being omnipotent is the Constitution, and Congress, and SCOTUS.

Those are tethers.
Those tethers aren't as strong as we'd like them to be.  Trump is merely lacking a majority in the House to be the dictator he wants to be.  The Senate is in his pocket.  The SCOTUS is, too.  And he can wipe his ass with the constitution while his followers applaud.

It's all a sick joke.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4999 on: June 08, 2020, 12:20:22 PM »
What is he doing that is unconstitutional and "untethered"?


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5000 on: June 08, 2020, 12:24:02 PM »
What is he doing that is unconstitutional and "untethered"?


He won and wasnt supposed to
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5001 on: June 08, 2020, 12:25:12 PM »
What is he doing that is unconstitutional and "untethered"?
It's about what he would do.  I hope we never find out.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5002 on: June 08, 2020, 12:26:28 PM »
Those tethers aren't as strong as we'd like them to be.  Trump is merely lacking a majority in the House to be the dictator he wants to be.  The Senate is in his pocket.  The SCOTUS is, too.  And he can wipe his ass with the constitution while his followers applaud.

It's all a sick joke.
You obviously don't follow SCOTUS' decisions. There are a good number of decisions that has not gone the President's way.

You can start with the most recent one https://theconversation.com/when-it-comes-to-reopening-churches-in-the-pandemic-supreme-court-says-grace-aint-groceries-135287
« Last Edit: June 08, 2020, 02:39:34 PM by Riffraft »

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5003 on: June 08, 2020, 12:27:24 PM »
It's about what he would do.  I hope we never find out.
OK, what do you think he WOULD do is Congress and SCOTUS didn't tether him?

I agree he would rather be a dictator, but he simply can't be in any realistic world.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5004 on: June 08, 2020, 12:28:42 PM »
When Trump was elected

the dems initiated recounts in many states to no avail

then the dems tried to convince the electoral delegates not to cast their votes as they should and that failed

then the dems started a huge investigation into Russian influence and that failed

then the dems impeached him and that failed

yep that happens when you beat the dems and werent supposed to
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5005 on: June 08, 2020, 12:29:10 PM »
Those tethers aren't as strong as we'd like them to be.  Trump is merely lacking a majority in the House to be the dictator he wants to be.  The Senate is in his pocket.  The SCOTUS is, too.  And he can wipe his ass with the constitution while his followers applaud.

It's all a sick joke.
I love that you are sort of making fun of people for being paranoid about Obama taking their guns and in the next breath talking seriously about how you believe Trump wants to make America a communist country. The irony is thick.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5006 on: June 08, 2020, 12:33:50 PM »
It's about what he would do.  I hope we never find out.
Did you mean to type "It's about what I hope he does or did, so I could say gotcha!"   ?

He's been fighting that battle for 3.5 years, and always will fight that battle. I've never seen anything like it. Of course, I've never seen a president like him either. Unorthodox probably fits.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5009 on: June 08, 2020, 12:54:47 PM »
When Trump was elected

the dems initiated recounts in many states to no avail

then the dems tried to convince the electoral delegates not to cast their votes as they should and that failed

then the dems started a huge investigation into Russian influence and that failed

then the dems impeached him and that failed

yep that happens when you beat the dems and werent supposed to
I don’t care for him, but your saying it nicely. The factual evidence on the whole collusion thing now clearly points to fraud at the least and possible laws broken, as a means to start an investigation that many behind knew had no merit.
not far different from the whole impeachment thing.  Total transparency- here is a tape of the call.
then the Kavanaugh fiasco.  What the left and media did to that man and is family was so sickening.  And with literally NO evidence. And yet like the Russia thing, and impeachment, the media was all in on all of it.  I remember hearing news @ anchors” literally calling Kavanaugh a serial rapist- repeatedly!

But those very same people won’t talk about Tara Reade AT All!

And finally the Pandemic.  The media hypocrisy is over the top.  And has been exposed. 

like I said in another thread if I were to believe the media:

if you protest the lock down, you are spreading it

if you attend church services- you are spreading it

if you protest over George Floyd, or setting a church on fire- you are not spreading it.

after a while you get to completely disregard virtually everything the media puts out, and you get to feeling line POTUS is the huge underdog. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5010 on: June 08, 2020, 12:59:20 PM »
The individual mandate was the worst thing about it.  Suddenly, the federal government was making its citizens purchase a product that they didn't necessarily want or need as the cost of being an American citizen.  IMO, that was wrong on principle.
I realize that the mandate is hard to defend as a libertarian, but here goes...

We allow for mandated auto insurance as a condition of driving a vehicle on public roads. I don't think many libertarians really have a problem with that. The idea is that the ability to buy and drive a car gives you an enormous power to wreak damage on others, both economic and physical injury. But you have a choice--if you don't want to drive a car, you don't need auto insurance. So there's no fight.

The young and healthy among us decide "hey, I don't need health insurance." They're young and healthy, and believe themselves invincible, and the vast majority of them probably won't really use their insurance much. 

But... What happens when they're playing extreme ultimate frisbee and crack heads with someone, the ambulance is called, and they have to go do the ICU to stop a brain bleed? They're going to get care, because the hospital doesn't make insurance a gate to providing emergency care. These young people aren't given the choice "do you want to get care or die because you can't afford it?", they are just given care. 

They get a $200,000 hospital bill after it's over, and what do they do?

Well, the young and healthy often don't have assets, so they declare bankruptcy. And the hospital (and taxpayers, often), get stuck with the bill. 

I would agree with young healthy people gambling with their own health care if we lived in a society that would kick them to the curb and not provide care if they couldn't afford it. (Not that I would consider that a compassionate society, of course). 

But in the current society, they're not gambling with their health, they're gambling with the hospital's money. And when you're gambling with someone else's money, you get all the upside of winning (you get care if you need it) and none of the downside of losing (because you're not risking your own assets).

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Despite the above, one of the critical problems with Obamacare is that there was no option to JUST sign up for catastrophic care. They put a whole bunch of mandatory stuff into what an insurance plan must include to qualify, so there was really no way for young, healthy people to avoid signing up for plans they actually didn't need. So I agree with you there... But that doesn't change that the mandate can potentially be justifiable. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #5011 on: June 08, 2020, 12:59:27 PM »
I see repeated concerns expressed in the media about the virus spreading due to protests.


 

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