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So should JB Pritzker, for allowing the Illinois primary election to happen on March 17.


He has a lot of blood on his hands for that one.

At least DeSantis, the Florida Governor, has put up checkpoints on 95 and 75 coming into Florida. 
he also has established security checkpoints for all flights landing from New York and there are lots of them.

They caught a guy the other day who landed in Jacksonville from New York who knowingly was diagnosed with the virus but took the plane anyway.

Anyway, the urban folks who think they're special are wrong, and they're wrong if they look down on folks from WV or the midwest. But there's plenty of looking down coming the other direction too, like the post above. And in the end, people are people, not special nor magical. And the differences are often played up for one reason or another.

Perhaps but the post above isn't PC or possibly speading a virus by not staying at home - can't have it both ways

Great time to be a hacker/technology crook

So really-what you are advocating is those who are being asked to shelter in place have every right to disobey? 

I am not even agreeing or disagreeing/ just clarifying. 


so like New York Michigan has a very bad hotspot going on right now and many of those people have second homes in Florida or could escape to Florida but apparently are just not doing that. But the New Yorkers are. Does that make them smarter or better or dumber or what?

Hmmm, the use of the word "right" is interesting. In the grand scale, I suppose they have more than a few "rights" to disobey because rights tend to be narrowly defined and somewhat powerful. In this case, I'd assume it would fall into a gray area. There's no outright ban on city-to-country travel or even city to city travel. You shouldn't do it, but then you find yourself in an interesting discussion of social contract. Can I concretely reduce my own risk at the theoretical risk to others? I don't know.

I also don't even have a concrete feel on the timing of all of it. The testing and testing for antibodies is so limited right now, we're just in a state of flux. 

(I'd assume the Michigan/Florida dynamic is slightly different because you can't get there in one contained car trip. The going to a lake house thing up north is more interesting, especially when it comes to "rights," as that's depriving you use of your own property)

Perhaps but the post above isn't PC or possibly speading a virus by not staying at home - can't have it both ways

I don't know exactly what this sentence fragment means. 

I don't 100 percent even know if the post wasn't PC, since that's a squishy term that borders on meaninglessness. 

But in the end, we often pretend that some folks are very the same and some folks are very different, and neither is particularly correct.

Well, the idea is to shelter in place. Essentially avoid people, only leave the house for essentials, etc.

But which place?

As long as someone from NY is going to their other house and following the same sort of shelter in place options that they are asked to follow in NY, I don't really see an issue. They're just as likely or unlikely to catch/spread COVID-19 at a grocery store in CT or WV than in NY--perhaps LESS likely because the population density of NY doesn't allow as much opportunity for social distancing.

The restrictions don't bother me much because I have a yard and I can still go for walks--it's easy to social distance in my suburban environment. Much harder in NYC, where most people live in cramped apartments and going for a walk would entail being close to tons of people.

I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed.  If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.

I guess I assumed that wherever you were residing when the shelter in place was issued is where you stayed.  If I keep changing where I shelter in place then it seems like that defeats the purpose to me.

This is one of the many reasons we are not going to Florida.