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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6972 on: July 17, 2020, 10:47:38 AM »
Good. They already have herd immunity in the U18 age group. Ship those little bastards to school.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6973 on: July 17, 2020, 10:49:43 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/17/texas-officials-order-extra-body-bags-mortuary-trucks-as-state-braces-for-rising-coronavirus-deaths.html

Doesn't sound good at all.

What if this thing really gets out of control on us?  Is that possible?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6974 on: July 17, 2020, 10:53:29 AM »
I think this is where people are starting to conflate "outdoor spread" with "kids being WAY too close to one another spread."  Since so many indoor venues are closed, of course the kids are having to party outdoors quite a bit.  Plus, it's summer, and that's what kids do anyway.  But I could see quite a bit of the spread coming more from sharing drinks, sharing beer bongs, sharing food, not washing hands, touching faces, touching every other body part, making out, hooking up-- those are all quite a bit closer activities, than we had for OUR 4th of July get-together, where we had eight people at my house, family and friends, hanging out on the back patio or in the pool, but always several feet from one another, and not sharing food/drink/containers/etc.  And of course folks only going indoors to use the bathroom.

We did the same for Mother's day, Father's Day, and Memorial Day.  No COVID spread, no issues at all.

But last weekend out on the lake, I saw dozens of boats with 9-14 HS/college/early 20s kids packed onto those boats, no masks, partying, drinking beer, bonging beer, all up in each others' business touching and stuff-- yeah, that's the kind of outdoor activity that could certainly lead to the spread.  But that's a lot more than just standing next to one another.



I don't disagree with your points, but unfortunately, most of the cases I'm aware of (or neighbors talk about) involved indoor/outdoor socializing.    I'm confident you examples are equal to being indoors, but I think there was more indoor socializing than people admit based upon what has happened around KC.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6975 on: July 17, 2020, 10:54:51 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/17/texas-officials-order-extra-body-bags-mortuary-trucks-as-state-braces-for-rising-coronavirus-deaths.html

Doesn't sound good at all.

What if this thing really gets out of control on us?  Is that possible?
Some would argue that it already is out of control. I'd argue that it is not, and that it's still making its way around the country. Interstate travel, and all that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6976 on: July 17, 2020, 10:59:22 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/17/texas-officials-order-extra-body-bags-mortuary-trucks-as-state-braces-for-rising-coronavirus-deaths.html

Doesn't sound good at all.

What if this thing really gets out of control on us?  Is that possible?
....and this is relatively mild.  Our American ideals of 'no one can tell me what to do' and 'I'll do what's best for me' don't exactly vibe well when it comes to infectious disease.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6977 on: July 17, 2020, 11:02:07 AM »
No, the theory of wearing masks is to scare everyone into submission. I have read quite a few studies that suggest that wearing a mask is useless to contain this virus. However, those studies are usually ignored by those wanting to perpetuate the fear.

I know that will not be a popular opinion on this site, but this is how I see it. 
It's not about being popular or not, your post is irresponsible.  Places with actual, widespread mask use are on the back end of this thing, and the mighty USA is still waist-deep in it because of our large, loud 'n proud population refusing to do the right thing.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6978 on: July 17, 2020, 11:05:00 AM »

That being said, my advice is that if you are showing symptoms, STAY HOME (like we have done for centuries). Don't be out and about. If you come across someone that is showing symptoms, walk away from them (like I have ALWAYS done).
This is where you show you're out of your depth here.  You're posting this for a disease that is 70-80% asymptomatic.  Please stop.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6979 on: July 17, 2020, 11:07:30 AM »

I don't disagree with your points, but unfortunately, most of the cases I'm aware of (or neighbors talk about) involved indoor/outdoor socializing.    I'm confident you examples are equal to being indoors, but I think there was more indoor socializing than people admit based upon what has happened around KC.
Could be, I certainly can't speak for them or anywhere else.  We haven't really had any spikes associated with gatherings for Mother's Day, Father's Day, Memorial Day, or the 4th of July.  If anything we're seeing hospitalizations level off right now in the timeframe when we'd expect to see spikes from 4th of July activity.  So either A) people didn't gather much for the 4th or B) they did so but remained outdoors (like we did).  That's only my speculation of course.

But rather than those holiday events, or the protests and riots, our recent increases I think can be tied pretty closely to the loosening of indoor restrictions (allowing bars to open and allowing an increase to inside dining capacity in late May), as well as a general, increasing laxness to masking and protocol since I guess some people thought we'd "beaten" it or something.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6980 on: July 17, 2020, 11:08:46 AM »
Good. They already have herd immunity in the U18 age group. Ship those little bastards to school.
It's not the kids that this is a big problem for. It's everyone else in the building.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6981 on: July 17, 2020, 11:13:39 AM »
It's not the kids that this is a big problem for. It's everyone else in the building.

Still haven't seen any rigorous scientific evidence that child-to-adult spread is a major risk (at least not at the middle school and younger levels). We know that adult-to-adult spread certainly is a risk, so adults should stay masked and stay away from one another within the school building.  I don't think these problems are impossible to overcome.

But if the science really does confirm that there is high risk of transmission for in-person school, and there are no potential solutions for preventing the spread (like social distancing and masks-- the same protocols we use when we're in grocery stores, in businesses that are "essential" etc.), then we should just cancel school for the 2020/2021 schoolyear.  If we value both human life, and the education of our children, then that's the correct solution.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6982 on: July 17, 2020, 11:25:57 AM »
I don't know about the protests, I'm really not seeing much indication that this is spreading outside in the open air. 

Youuthful stupidity, for sure.

And also, on the business openings and most specifically the bar reopenings-- I just don't think we had any idea how quickly it would spread under those circumstances.  Arguably, we could have and should have known, or could have guessed, but the hypothesis had not been tested with other variables frozen and isolated-- the actual experiment just hadn't been run yet.

Now, it has.
Stupid young people are often empowered by their stupid parents.  I see whole families proudly announcing that they will not follow any mask ordinance.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6983 on: July 17, 2020, 11:26:01 AM »
Im sorry you feel that way you have pegged the worry scale

there is no way we will go to 100,000 cases a day and he should be ashamed for even suggesting it
Up to 77,000 cases in one day, and growing.  
Hmm, who to trust, longhorn or Dr. Fauci.  Longhorn....or Fauci.  Hmm...tough one.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6984 on: July 17, 2020, 11:26:37 AM »
Stupid young people are often empowered by their stupid parents.  I see whole families proudly announcing that they will not follow any mask ordinance.
Let's bet a dollar on who they're voting for in November.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6985 on: July 17, 2020, 11:28:26 AM »
No, the theory of wearing masks is to scare everyone into submission. I have read quite a few studies that suggest that wearing a mask is useless to contain this virus. However, those studies are usually ignored by those wanting to perpetuate the fear.

I know that will not be a popular opinion on this site, but this is how I see it.
Got links to those studies?
Who would gain by getting Americans (and the entire rest of the world) to "submit" to wearing masks?
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