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bwarbiany

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6944 on: July 16, 2020, 07:16:14 PM »
some maybe good news here in Texas where hospitalizations are down for 2nd day in a row


looks like we might be flattening the curve on that
Daily new cases have shown no sign of flattening in Texas, so I'm going to say it's temporal noise in the numbers.

I know for a long time we were debating whether rising cases would lead to a rising death toll, and trying to estimate whether it was not going to happen (your position) or whether it was just a lag (my position). I think that debate has been settled.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6945 on: July 16, 2020, 07:19:03 PM »
I don't see how a mask mandate can be enforced.  
This couldn't be less relevant.  The message is the thing.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6946 on: July 16, 2020, 07:20:22 PM »
Wait, whut?

Can't find it online easily right now... Got a link?

Knowing Newsom, he would have said that no local areas can choose to be exempt from his own statewide mask order.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-governor-brian-kemp-bans-city-face-mask-orders-coronavirus-pandemic/

All news outlets have it.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6947 on: July 16, 2020, 07:27:12 PM »

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6948 on: July 16, 2020, 07:38:43 PM »
No, the south is trying to rise again....coronavirus deaths, that is.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6949 on: July 16, 2020, 07:43:50 PM »
Daily new cases have shown no sign of flattening in Texas, so I'm going to say it's temporal noise in the numbers.

I know for a long time we were debating whether rising cases would lead to a rising death toll, and trying to estimate whether it was not going to happen (your position) or whether it was just a lag (my position). I think that debate has been settled.
Yes deaths have increased but at least not to the same extent that new cases have at least net yet

this the hospitalizations curve I was speaking about

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f

you need to select the Hospitals Statewide tab at bottom

like I said it sure looks like we are flattening the curve

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6950 on: July 16, 2020, 07:57:59 PM »
Yeah not sure what bwar is looking at, but the Texas hospitalization data certainly demonstrates a recent change in inflection.

Texas is doing a substantial number of tests at this point, so as we've been saying for the past 4 months now, case rates are a near-useless data point.

The hospitalization rate inflection point that indicated a trend in the wrong direction starting around 6/1, seems to have flipped the right way, around 7/5-7/8.  Not anywhere close to out of the woods, but it's absolutely positive news.

Especially considering the mask orders and bar shut-downs didn't really hit until right around that second inflection point, and so I'm expecting an even more positive trend in reduction of new hospitalizations in coming weeks as that becomes factored in.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6951 on: July 16, 2020, 07:59:50 PM »
Yes deaths have increased but at least not to the same extent that new cases have at least net yet

this the hospitalizations curve I was speaking about

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f

you need to select the Hospitals Statewide tab at bottom

like I said it sure looks like we are flattening the curve
BTW one way to leave the hospital is to get better... There's also another way, and that way has been increasing fast in TX too...

But yeah, rate of increase has slowed quite a bit. Hopefully it starts to decline. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6952 on: July 16, 2020, 08:21:34 PM »
I blame these spikes on youthful stupidity, protests and businesses being less than careful. Not as much on the latter as the first two groupings. The latter are just trying to survive, and provide jobs.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6953 on: July 16, 2020, 09:33:30 PM »
Lol
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6954 on: July 16, 2020, 10:14:49 PM »
I blame these spikes on youthful stupidity, protests and businesses being less than careful. Not as much on the latter as the first two groupings. The latter are just trying to survive, and provide jobs.
I don't know about the protests, I'm really not seeing much indication that this is spreading outside in the open air.   

Youuthful stupidity, for sure.

And also, on the business openings and most specifically the bar reopenings-- I just don't think we had any idea how quickly it would spread under those circumstances.  Arguably, we could have and should have known, or could have guessed, but the hypothesis had not been tested with other variables frozen and isolated-- the actual experiment just hadn't been run yet.

Now, it has.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6955 on: July 17, 2020, 01:54:12 AM »
I don't see how a mask mandate can be enforced.  The one the mayor came out with exempted you if you were 6 feet from another person.  In fact, it's rare that you are not in life, even in a city.  And are the police going to be able to write tickets for infractions?

I'm all for masks, the best way may be repeated explanation and showing yourself with a mask at all times.
I agree with everything you say here. My wife and daughter traveled to Galena, Illinois a few days ago. It is a small tourist town, once the home to U.S. Grant. Lots of little shops for women. My wife and daughter are religious about wearing masks. My daughter is a PT student, does clinicals, wears one all day, and is acclimated to it. I am not as acclimated but wear one when I go into a store.

They came back from Galena, and said, "Everyone is wearing a mask. Even out on the street."

I checked and found that Illinois is one of the states with a mask requirement if 6' social distance cannot be maintained. They felt so much more comfortable in Galena that my daughter thought maybe she should look for work in Illinois after she graduates.

Once it becomes a norm by many, more will follow, in part the result of the requirement, but in part because people tend to not want to appear out-of-place. When mask wearers make non-mask wearers feel out-of-place and discourteous by their sheer numbers, more will come around. Most people do not want to be seen as discourteous. We still have people being ticketed for seatbelt violations. At first that standard was not well-respected. There will always be a few violators. And many of those will come around if they are ticketed.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6956 on: July 17, 2020, 06:44:11 AM »
I thought the whole theory behind wearing a mask is not to protect yourself but to keep you from infecting others
No, the theory of wearing masks is to scare everyone into submission. I have read quite a few studies that suggest that wearing a mask is useless to contain this virus. However, those studies are usually ignored by those wanting to perpetuate the fear. 

I know that will not be a popular opinion on this site, but this is how I see it.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #6957 on: July 17, 2020, 06:53:42 AM »
No, the theory of wearing masks is to scare everyone into submission. I have read quite a few studies that suggest that wearing a mask is useless to contain this virus. However, those studies are usually ignored by those wanting to perpetuate the fear.

I know that will not be a popular opinion on this site, but this is how I see it. 
I don't know about that - the science is uncertain, though there is certainly evidence that mask wearing reduced transmission and can be very helpful (with other things).  The other part is that masks are a low cost and low effort tool, so the downside is minimal while the upside could be extremely high.  

 

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