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Kris60

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Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« on: April 13, 2022, 08:01:14 PM »
I’ve been scoring games for my daughter’s middle school softball team this season.  Wanted to get some input on judging a hit vs. an error.  We’ve had a couple of instances where a kid misjudges a fly ball, not misplays it, misjudges it.  For example, a kid comes in on a fly ball too far and it goes over her head.  I score that a hit.

An error in judgment isn’t an error in the scorebook, at least to me.

If they set up under it, and just miss it I score that an error.  My wife thinks both should be errors.  Keep in my mind, my daughter is the pitcher.  So, I have scored a few hits against her that made me want to beat my head against the wall, but they are hits, imo.

Any advice?
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2022, 08:09:09 PM »
My advice is to simply ask would the average player have caught the ball

to me misjudgements dont determine hit or error as long as it wasnt caused by  something like the sun or a heavy wind

if you think about it almost all error are caused by misjudgement
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2022, 08:38:07 PM »
I think the standard is the same, even if they don't touch it.  If they could have caught it with ordinary effort, it's an error
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2022, 08:42:54 PM »
I could be wrong, but I always thought the rule of thumb was that you had to touch it to get an error. So even drastic misplays went down as hits.

Middle school is probably the age where you start being a little less nice. (The stats don’t really matter, but you also don’t just want to give everyone a hit for putting the ball in play) are you the coach too? If not, the coach might have strong feelings one way or the other.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2022, 09:02:33 PM »
I'd rule it an error but then that is open to the scorer's interpretation - so slippery slope.So consistency in calls is important,specially balls/strikes. Check the manual may be different for sandlot/hot stove than the higher levels
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Kris60

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2022, 09:11:18 PM »
Quote from: ELA on April 13, 2022, 08:38:07 PM
I think the standard is the same, even if they don't touch it.  If they could have caught it with ordinary effort, it's an error
That’s a tricky one. We have a kid who has given poor effort on 2 or 3 balls this year and I’ve scored them hits.  It’s almost like she thinks if she can’t get to it she can’t mess it up.  
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Kris60

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2022, 09:17:34 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 13, 2022, 08:42:54 PM
I could be wrong, but I always thought the rule of thumb was that you had to touch it to get an error. So even drastic misplays went down as hits.

Middle school is probably the age where you start being a little less nice. (The stats don’t really matter, but you also don’t just want to give everyone a hit for putting the ball in play) are you the coach too? If not, the coach might have strong feelings one way or the other.
That’s my rule of thumb too. If they don’t touch it I don’t score it an error.  Not the coach. My wife is the assistant.  And yeah, stats matter to parents even in middle school.  We use an app called Gamechanger.  All the parents can create an account, be allowed to follow our team, and view all the stats.

No one has ever asked me about anything I’ve scored but I know of instances where parents got hot at who was scoring.  In fact, our local HS team quit scoring on GC because parents were throwing a fit on how some plays were being scored.  All of their scoring and stats are kept in a book.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2022, 10:17:16 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on April 13, 2022, 08:42:54 PM
I could be wrong, but I always thought the rule of thumb was that you had to touch it to get an error. So even drastic misplays went down as hits.
Yes, this is wrong.  A shortstop letting the ball go through their legs isn't a hit.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2022, 10:19:00 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on April 13, 2022, 09:11:18 PM
  It’s almost like she thinks if she can’t get to it she can’t mess it up. 
Ah, the Derek Jeter defense....
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2022, 10:33:13 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 13, 2022, 10:17:16 PM
Yes, this is wrong.  A shortstop letting the ball go through their legs isn't a hit.
No, you’re right, and I have and would score that an error.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2022, 10:42:28 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 13, 2022, 10:19:00 PM
Ah, the Derek Jeter defense....
Pasta Diving Jeter.  It's a dish and defensive rubbish. 
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2022, 10:48:25 PM »
   Ordinary effort would be the correct standard.  Having said that it is in the judgment of the scorer and I need the film to opine.   That of course gets tricky as misjudgements such as a poor line on a fly ball almost never get scored as an error.  
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2022, 11:55:33 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 13, 2022, 10:19:00 PM
Ah, the Derek Jeter defense....
Quote from: MarqHusker on April 13, 2022, 10:42:28 PM
Pasta Diving Jeter.  It's a dish and defensive rubbish.
What did jeter do....or not?
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2022, 11:56:54 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 13, 2022, 10:17:16 PM
Yes, this is wrong.  A shortstop letting the ball go through their legs isn't a hit.
M’bad there. Thanks for the correction. 
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