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rolltidefan

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2022, 06:10:19 PM »
Quote from: ELA on April 14, 2022, 02:15:56 PM
It's already a free out though.  Either you catch it, or you don't and you throw at least one, if not two guys, out.  I guess you could say you can't get a double play out of it?  But it would be almost impossible not to get at least one out
almost impossible is not impossible. it's improbable, but errors are made every game.

as for the offense getting 1/2 out on it, tough luck. maybe don't hit it straight up.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2022, 06:18:05 PM »
We run into this in fantasy camp a few times each season, and of course back when I played a bit more seriously.  It helps if the umpire calls it early and loudly, which is not always possible.  Without this rule, pros could turn two nearly every time it happened.

Of course, they also have weakly hit line drives they can trap and turn two without its being called.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2022, 10:06:29 PM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on April 14, 2022, 05:58:48 PM
Most hilarious instance of IF fly rule in history of baseball.


https://youtu.be/aq2va-MIWpw
Man, Miller is so, so good. 
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2022, 11:42:09 PM »
Miller calls this so well, but for me the highlight is inner circle HOFer and Expos manager Frank Robinson marching out to the field with a death glare at his own players and basically Jedi waves them back to their positions without so much as noticing the Umpires.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2022, 01:34:28 AM »
And the worst use of it


https://youtu.be/X-6ujbLknUc
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2022, 01:35:23 AM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on April 14, 2022, 06:10:19 PM
almost impossible is not impossible. it's improbable, but errors are made every game.

as for the offense getting 1/2 out on it, tough luck. maybe don't hit it straight up.
You would need to both drop the pop up and make a bad throw to not get an out out of it.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2022, 02:32:43 AM »
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2022, 08:15:11 AM »
Quote from: ELA on April 15, 2022, 01:34:28 AM
And the worst use of it


https://youtu.be/X-6ujbLknUc
There is no way an umpire positioned in the outfield should EVER call an INF. Not his call. I would be like a Referee calling encroachment in a football game. 
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2022, 08:21:53 AM »
I remember that play.  There was obviously no way the infielder could have intentionally muffed the ball and turned to get a double play.  Umps make bad calls.

I was playing second base, which is an odd position for me, in fantasy league and someone hit a low pop over my head.  I'm sure any competent young infielder could have made the play, it was maybe 20 feet over me, I turned to run and couldn't twist back while running enough to spot the ball.  I stuck my glove out in case the ball actually landed in it, the ball of course dropped ten feet away from me.  The CF was charging in as well and I didn't want a collision.  Meh, it's not an old man's sport.

I did make the routine plays at least.  Those hot tricky grounders I recall playing when younger don't happen much.  Major league infielders are amazing to me.  It's fun to watch the retired pros play, they are often 50+ and can still play remarkably well.  And you are toast if you face a pitcher who is under 40, no chance.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2022, 11:33:13 AM »
The thing about inFR is just because an infielder makes the catch does not mean its automatically an infield fly rule call and just because an outfielder makes the catch does not automatically mean its not an infield rules call

the main requirement is that the fly ball land in or close to the infield

in that video it just wasnt close enough to the infield
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2022, 03:41:06 PM »
Quote from: ELA on April 15, 2022, 01:35:23 AM
You would need to both drop the pop up and make a bad throw to not get an out out of it.
we just saw 2 videos of this not being the case. albeit one was an atrocious call, lol.

but yes, you'd have to screw up pretty bad to not get an out. but it happens. i don't like just giving them one because it's routine and they should make it 100%. but they won't ever make it 100%, so leave that 1% to chance, imo.

it's like calling a routine grounder to second an out before he makes the stop and throw. he's gonna have to make multiple mistakes to not get an out. but don't just give it to him cause it's easy. hell, with a man on 1st it'd benefit the offense to do so. but it's just wrong, imo, to give players that. make them make the play. that's why they're there.

jmo, and it's not important. they aren't gonna change it and i don't really care all that much about baseball anymore anyway.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2022, 03:53:54 PM »
I remember explaining balk rules to my son when he was 12 and had to hold runners on.

I showed him a neat move to second which he used and the umpire called it a balk. to second.  You see that move often on TV, it's not a balk.

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2022, 03:56:47 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 15, 2022, 03:53:54 PM
I remember explaining balk rules to my son when he was 12 and had to hold runners on.

I showed him a neat move to second which he used and the umpire called it a balk. to second.  You see that move often on TV, it's not a balk.


Balk Rules
  • You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that.
1a. A balk is when you
1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that.
1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about.
1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.
1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.
1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of
2) Do not do a balk please.


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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2022, 04:11:26 PM »
Remember 1990 or so when there was clearly some umpire edict on balking and suddenly there were balk calls constantly for a few months.
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