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Topic: Scoring in Baseball/Softball

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2022, 03:17:05 PM »
Very few MLB players threw left and batted right, Red Schoendinst comes to mind. The reverse is pretty common, and some HoFers did it.

I have no clue why I hit grounders and flies right handed.  I did a lot of coaching back when.  I can do it lefty, but it feels weird.

I can hit a little right handed, but it feels weird.  It makes sense to me that my stronger right arm should be the lead hand on the bat.  I had a Little League coach try and convert me because he didn't want me to get hit on the shoulder as I was pitching.  I was the winning pitcher in 10th grade in our clinching win in the 8AAA championship game.  I was supposed to be the guy my junior year when I tore my labrum, I got it right that time.


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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2022, 04:23:53 PM »
The best throw-L, bat-R player ever was probably Rickey Henderson.

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2022, 04:35:45 PM »
I didn't even recall he was that way, I'd guess most of that ilk might be switch hitters.

The number of great hitters who threw right and batted left is pretty large, relatively, I'm not one of them.

Lee and Foley are confusing, as is Rickey Henderson, one of the greatest players ever. He bats right-handed, but throws left-handed. Only five nonpitchers since 1900 have played 1,000 games batting right-handed and throwing left-handed: Henderson, Ryan LudwickCody Ross, Cleon Jones and Hal Chase. Former outfielder Mark Carreon is one of only six since 1900 who played at least 500 games that way. Why are these guys so rare, and yet there are hundreds of players who bat left-handed and throw right-handed, like Joe Morgan, George Brett and Carl Yastrzemski? Is it just that there are a lot more right-handed people in the world than lefties?
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2022, 04:36:09 PM »
In terms of handedness, baseball has a lot of screwed-up players. And in that regard, screwed-up is good because it means both hands work well. It also means the hand that goes inside the glove is dexterous, so chances are it will help the player defensively, if not in all ways. The first time I met the great Brooks Robinson, who won 16 Gold Gloves at third base, was at a luncheon in 1979. He ate with his left hand. Later that day, I saw him signing autographs with his left hand. How could this be? How much more right-handed can you get than a right-handed hitting third baseman?

"I noticed it the first day I met him," said Davey Johnson, who played second base for the Orioles when Robinson was the third baseman. "I looked at Brooks and thought to myself, 'He's the best defensive third baseman of all time, and he writes with his left hand.' So I wrote with my left hand for a year hoping that it would make me a better defensive second baseman. It didn't work."


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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2022, 04:39:10 PM »
Baseball Players Who Bat Lefty and Throw Righty Are More Likely to Be Great (mensjournal.com)

The study, which re-analyzed data from a similar 1982 study and incorporated new data from every major-league player from 1871 through 2016, finds that only 2% of the general population throws righty and bats lefty, but 12% of major-leaguers do so. In addition, 32% of the best-ever big-leaguers hit lefty but throw righty, which, the study authors argue, suggests that righties who adopt a lefty stance have a greater chance of becoming, well, great.

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2022, 05:37:05 PM »
Baseball Players Who Bat Lefty and Throw Righty Are More Likely to Be Great (mensjournal.com)

The study, which re-analyzed data from a similar 1982 study and incorporated new data from every major-league player from 1871 through 2016, finds that only 2% of the general population throws righty and bats lefty, but 12% of major-leaguers do so. In addition, 32% of the best-ever big-leaguers hit lefty but throw righty, which, the study authors argue, suggests that righties who adopt a lefty stance have a greater chance of becoming, well, great.
Cool, I'm the exception.  I was actually a plus defender, but the worst hitter on my HS team.  Turns out being left handed, but late on everything, just slapping it to left field with no power, is pretty useless

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2022, 06:07:26 PM »
Oddly enough, I hit pretty well in fantasy baseball, except for this past camp.  Most pitchers are not very fast and only 2-3 have any curve ball worth noting.  I usually manage to "hit'em where they ain't". and occasionally some right fielder will sneak in thinking I'm an old man and I can line drive over his head.

I use a 33 oz bat and choke up an inch.  I did not hit very well in HS because I had the fence in mind.

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2022, 09:23:34 PM »
I think the only way to catch flies and judge them is to do it over and over.  I liken it to receiving serves in volleyball.   You have to keep seeing the ball come at you with different velocity, spin, arc etc.  The backdrop matters a fair amount as well.

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2022, 09:33:04 PM »
I think the only way to catch flies and judge them is to do it over and over.  I liken it to receiving serves in volleyball.  You have to keep seeing the ball come at you with different velocity, spin, arc etc.  The backdrop matters a fair amount as well.
There is also something about reading them off the bat when you aren't sure you are getting a fly ball

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2022, 10:42:41 PM »
Coaching my sons U9 travel team, it's tough.  We practice it, every kid can catch it if you throw it, no matter how high.  The way it comes off the bat is totally different, and none of us are good enough to consistently hit fly balls into the outfield.  It works like 1/4 of the time, then the other 3/4 of the time we miss, hit a grounder, or a line drive
Lol. Trust me, just like learning to catch a fly ball takes practice so does learning how to hit one.  When my daughter first got into softball I struggled to consistently get the ball in the air.  I can take her to the field now and hit 100 fly balls within a 10 foot  radius of each other.  Toss the ball up and hit it with an upper cut swing somewhere between your chest and shoulders.  You gotta catch it high.  If you let it drop below your chest you will hit a lot of line drives.

And it actually is important the kids are fielding fly balls off a bat because what you said is right.  There’s a world of difference in fielding a batted ball rather than someone tossing one in the air.  

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2022, 08:20:25 AM »
Why is it different coming off the bat versus throwing it?  I agree it is, I don't understand why.  Spin?  

I think a thrown grounder is the same as off the bat, if the same speed.

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2022, 09:14:53 AM »
Why is it different coming off the bat versus throwing it?  I agree it is, I don't understand why.  Spin? 

I think a thrown grounder is the same as off the bat, if the same speed.
I’m just spitballing here but I think there might be a couple of factors.  One is if I’m tossing balls in the air the kids have to be a lot closer to me.  I can stick kids 200 feet in the outfield and hit balls.  I can’t hand toss balls that far.  So, the closer they are the easier I think it is to watch the ball all the way out of my hand and pick it up easier.  The further away they are the more difficult it is to pick the ball up immediately.

I think there’s a moment when the ball comes off the bat that you lose it temporarily and then have to track it again.

I also think there is a world of difference in knowing a ball is coming to you as opposed to not knowing and having to react.  I like to put kids at all 9 positions and just randomly hit balls to them.  Not in any kind of order, just wherever, whenever.

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2022, 09:46:30 AM »
much different spins at much higher spin rates coming off the bat

top spin, side spin, very little spin, back spin
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2022, 10:04:04 AM »
Back in the day, I could throw a ball about as far as I could hit a fungo.  But it does look different.

I remember for fun at the end of practice some of my 12 year olds would stay late and I'd hit shots to them as hard as I could hit them, probably close to 300 feet.  Maybe 250.  It seemed like a mile. I was young and goofy.

 

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