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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2022, 12:03:21 AM »

There is a collegiate softballer out here named Dream Weaver. No joke. 
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2022, 12:03:30 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on April 13, 2022, 11:55:33 PM
What did jeter do....or not?
Jeter has fanboys/girls who think he's the bestest evah count da ringz! One of the staples of a Yankees broadcast is Michael Kay or John Sterling call of a ground ball up the middle or in the 5 1/2 hole followed by "sharp grounder passed a diving Jeter.'  Turns out Jeter's range isn't all that great as various metrics would illustrate.   Pasta Diving Jeter become a bit of a dig on the Cap'n.  

Jetes couldn't get to these balls but don't tell that to the fans. 
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2022, 08:58:29 AM »
 Ordinary effort also applies for the infield fly rule. A good rule of thumb is that if an infielder has to turn around to make the catch, or if it's a line drive, it's no longer ordinary effort.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2022, 01:28:47 PM »
Quote from: GopherRock on April 14, 2022, 08:58:29 AM
Ordinary effort also applies for the infield fly rule. A good rule of thumb is that if an infielder has to turn around to make the catch, or if it's a line drive, it's no longer ordinary effort.
i've never liked the infield fly rule. i get why it's there, but i don't like rewarding a team for not cheesing the system. the point is to protect the offensive team from being cheated. but we do so by giving the defense a free out, regardless of if they complete the play. i'd rather reward the offense if the defense cheeses. treat it similar to a balk or something. free base for hitter/runners for trying to game system. make the d try to make them play. and i know this would try to be gamed too, but the consequences are much more severe. and it's a judgement call anyway, so do you want to risk it?

it's been a long time since i've played or cared all that much for baseball, so maybe i'm missing some nuance there. but i never liked it when i played.
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2022, 02:15:56 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on April 14, 2022, 01:28:47 PM
i've never liked the infield fly rule. i get why it's there, but i don't like rewarding a team for not cheesing the system. the point is to protect the offensive team from being cheated. but we do so by giving the defense a free out, regardless of if they complete the play. i'd rather reward the offense if the defense cheeses. treat it similar to a balk or something. free base for hitter/runners for trying to game system. make the d try to make them play. and i know this would try to be gamed too, but the consequences are much more severe. and it's a judgement call anyway, so do you want to risk it?

it's been a long time since i've played or cared all that much for baseball, so maybe i'm missing some nuance there. but i never liked it when i played.
It's already a free out though.  Either you catch it, or you don't and you throw at least one, if not two guys, out.  I guess you could say you can't get a double play out of it?  But it would be almost impossible not to get at least one out
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2022, 02:29:16 PM »
It's tough on the baserunners without the InFR.

I guess you have to hold up, which makes a double play almost certain.

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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2022, 02:58:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 14, 2022, 02:29:16 PM
It's tough on the baserunners without the InFR.

I guess you have to hold up, which makes a double play almost certain.


That was my thought, you signal that you can't get a double play out of it?  The one out is a lock.  I guess it then gives quick thinking infielders the choice of who they want to remove from the basepaths
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2022, 03:01:51 PM »
Speaking of scoring, we also use the Gamechanger app, it's amazing.

But even with the app, I'm the only one of the 5 coaches on our staff who knows how to score a baseball game.  I actually had to explain what a FC was.  We are 3rd grade, so there aren't errors yet.

I credit that with my dad coaching, and keeping me as his scorekeeper growing up, and playing this game for hours, scoring it on an actual scorebook.



I even used my baseball almanac to attempt to create current baseball players (1994) on the backs of the dials
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2022, 03:07:51 PM »
Quote from: ELA on April 14, 2022, 02:58:59 PM
That was my thought, you signal that you can't get a double play out of it?  The one out is a lock.  I guess it then gives quick thinking infielders the choice of who they want to remove from the basepaths
under the inFR there is no force even if ball is dropped.  So no chance to select a runner to put out
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2022, 03:14:07 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 14, 2022, 03:07:51 PM
under the inFR there is no force even if ball is dropped.  So no chance to select a runner to put out
No, I know.  We are discussing the rationale for getting rid of it.  My only thought was that a modified infield fly rule where you can't get a double play, out of it, but it at least allows the fielder to punish the batter for it, by picking which runner to eliminate
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2022, 03:21:51 PM »
Quote from: ELA on April 14, 2022, 03:14:07 PM
No, I know.  We are discussing the rationale for getting rid of it.  My only thought was that a modified infield fly rule where you can't get a double play, out of it, but it at least allows the fielder to punish the batter for it, by picking which runner to eliminate
ok sorry


I actually saw The astros 2nd baseman do that last year

course there was only a runner on 1st base so no inFR in force

the runner on 1st was much faster then the batter who hit a high pop up and Altuve let it drop and then threw the runner out at 2nd base
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2022, 03:30:35 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 14, 2022, 03:21:51 PM
ok sorry


I actually saw The astros 2nd baseman do that last year

course there was only a runner on 1st base so no inFR in force

the runner on 1st was much faster then the batter who hit a high pop up and Altuve let it drop and then threw the runner out at 2nd base
Ian Kinsler was great at it
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2022, 05:58:48 PM »
Most hilarious instance of IF fly rule in history of baseball.


https://youtu.be/aq2va-MIWpw
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Re: Scoring in Baseball/Softball
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2022, 06:03:56 PM »
The InFR could be changed, yes, such that only one out is possible, by rule, and runners could hold, and fielders could select which runner is out.
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