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Topic: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)

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847badgerfan

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Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« on: December 09, 2019, 09:46:21 AM »
May as well get this one going. UW opens as a 3 point favorite, which means absolutely nothing to me.

I guess I need to study up on the Ducks, and how they managed to jump 7 spots yesterday to their current #6 rating.
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2019, 09:50:01 AM »
the Ducks beat the feathers out of the Utes.  And the Utes were very good.  Great defense
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2019, 12:39:09 PM »
Oregon's record doesn't look all that different from Wisconsin's. It lost to a good Auburn team in a close game, had a stupid loss to Arizona State (see, e.g., Illinois), a close win against a significant conference rival at Washington (a good, but not great team; see, e.g., Iowa, but not as good), and put the hurt on a good Utah team (see, e.g., Michigan and Minnesota). Oregon didn't struggle much this season, but also didn't play as tough a schedule as Wisconsin. 

Should be a really good game. And I really, really, really want to avenge the 2012 loss.
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2019, 12:49:33 PM »
The Badger front should average five pancakes per snap.
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2019, 01:31:07 PM »
FancyStats haven't loved Oregon (16th in SP+) but I have been impressed when I've seen them.  
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2019, 02:34:43 PM »
They, the ducks,  have a highly touted OL.  In other words some nerds out there say it is one of the best.


Oregon has been weird this year, I've watched them a bunch.  Pretty balanced offense, not as prolific as years past.  Defense is also better than in years past..  They left about 20 points on the field vs Auburn.  I don't know how they lost that one.    This should be one of the more interesting matchups.

I think the committee launched them on the heels of pasting Utah and winning a conference, nothing more than that.
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2019, 02:44:24 PM »
I always like to check in on other team boards to get a feel for their thoughts.

On 247, they think the Ducks will destroy the Badgers, because the Badgers have a crappy QB and no downfield threat at WR. Apparently never heard of QC, and don't they realize that Coan is above 70% on completions, has 17 TD's to 4 INT's, and a QBR of 83.1 (8th in the country). Incidentally, the Duck QB is ranked 26th in the country.

I'm pretty sure the Oregon coaches aren't this dumb. 
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2019, 04:43:40 PM »
Oregon has gone much more with size and physicality on their O-line and defense.  

Thus is a great matchup!  I am going to out early and say higher scoring game with the Badgers by a td.  
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2019, 01:31:34 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on December 09, 2019, 12:39:09 PM
Oregon didn't struggle much this season, but also didn't play as tough a schedule as Wisconsin.

Should be a really good game. 
Good Post,this should be a great gamee to watch
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2019, 08:05:53 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 09, 2019, 12:49:33 PM
The Badger front should average five pancakes per snap.
Probably not true this time around.

Oregon's defense is basically on pr with UW's from an advanced stats point. Top-10 in points allowed per game, 16th in yards per play allowed, 13th in YPC allowed, 11th in defensive points per drive. Their D-line was solid but not special in terms of runs of 5 or more yards (49th) and short yardage stop rate (29th).

Interestingly Oregon's O-line is supposed to be very good, but is mostly just decent to good. Their QB doesn't always play up to his talent, but is special when he does (his WRs are bad).

UW's OL is good not great. Though they are 35th in percent of carries that get 5 or more yards and 4th in short yardage conversions. 
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2019, 04:33:54 PM »
Wisconsin finally started playing like I expected them to towards the end of the year  not sure what happened with Illinois but they totally looked like the better team in the OSU rematch but/until that 2nd half.  it kind of emphasized  that OSU is the real deal and basically got hosed by the committee

If Wisconsin plays like it can, this will be a easy win
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2019, 11:03:28 AM »
Not sure if this was otherwise out there, but the ESPN College Football podcast had the Peach Bowl CEO on, and he said that after selecting the 4 CFP teams, they went to the Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton Bowls, who had potential automatic tie ins, as to who they would select.

That seems kind of weird to me.  I don't care per se, but it basically tells you that the bowls are still selecting the teams, not the rankings.  Wisconsin was kept ahead of Penn State, because that's who the Rose Bowl wanted.  Georgia was kept ahead of Florida(?) because the Sugar Bowl wanted them.  And if the Cotton Bowl had wanted Appalachian State, would the committee have then jumped them over Memphis?
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2019, 12:10:33 PM »
Those bowls are not required to take the highest ranking team. It is a guide only. I don't think the playoff wonks changed any rankings to favor UW in this case.

I was told the Rose would have been happy with either PSU or UW (a Tournament of Roses committee member told me - a PSU alum). They went with the higher-ranked team, which they are happy with, regardless.
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Re: Rose Bowl: #6 Oregon (11-2) vs. #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2019, 12:12:52 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 09, 2019, 02:44:24 PM
I always like to check in on other team boards to get a feel for their thoughts.

On 247, they think the Ducks will destroy the Badgers, because the Badgers have a crappy QB and no downfield threat at WR. Apparently never heard of QC, and don't they realize that Coan is above 70% on completions, has 17 TD's to 4 INT's, and a QBR of 83.1 (8th in the country). Incidentally, the Duck QB is ranked 26th in the country.

I'm pretty sure the Oregon coaches aren't this dumb.

Coan is more of a System Quarterback though, so it doesn't count.
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