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OrangeAfroMan

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« Reply #5656 on: June 11, 2026, 12:25:11 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 11, 2026, 09:45:38 AM
Actually, the USACE is doing a nice job on the restoration. They could be doing even better if Big Sugar would blow up and die.

The latest project will do wonders for the Gulf and Atlantic (and estuaries) as much of the discharge from Lake O that currently gets sent West (2/3) and East (1/3) will be sent to the Everglades - where it should be going.
That's great.

But it'll be undone with 24 million more people down there.
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« Reply #5657 on: June 11, 2026, 01:00:25 PM »
I doubt it. Permits are getting more and more difficult to come by and that's not going to change.

Most of Florida (coastal) could not be built today as at exists. You'd be laughed out of the USACE offices if you were dumb enough to try.
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« Reply #5658 on: June 11, 2026, 03:22:58 PM »
There is a lot of land still open in Florida.  Obviously issues like water and power could be …. Something AIi can solve …..
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« Reply #5659 on: June 11, 2026, 05:16:11 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 11, 2026, 01:00:25 PM
I doubt it. Permits are getting more and more difficult to come by and that's not going to change.

Most of Florida (coastal) could not be built today as at exists. You'd be laughed out of the USACE offices if you were dumb enough to try.
You're right, 24 million people are moving to Ocala.  

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« Reply #5660 on: June 11, 2026, 07:27:27 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 11, 2026, 03:22:58 PM
There is a lot of land still open in Florida.  Obviously issues like water and power could be …. Something AIi can solve …..
AI uses more water & power than humans
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« Reply #5661 on: June 11, 2026, 08:42:26 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 11, 2026, 07:27:27 PM
AI uses more water & power than humans
I heard these huge data centers just use the same amount of water as a golf course.  It was on the internet, so I know it's true.
And Florida has elventy thousand golf courses.  

I think it's funny to ignore the past 100 years of the Everglades being filled in as Miami expanded and pretend like that won't keep happening as 24 million more people move into the state.  The Everglades used to go from the gulf to Biscayne Bay.  Bring in dirt.  Fill.  Build.  Repeat.  Duh.
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« Reply #5662 on: June 12, 2026, 06:29:24 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 11, 2026, 05:16:11 PM
You're right, 24 million people are moving to Ocala. 


Ya might want to get out of my lane on this one.
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« Reply #5663 on: June 12, 2026, 07:19:45 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 11, 2026, 07:27:27 PM
AI uses more water & power than humans
I was kidding …..
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« Reply #5664 on: June 12, 2026, 07:23:10 AM »
Some of the Everglades area of course is national park.  And I highly suspect badge knows a bit about zoning.

It might not ne as simple as buy swamp, fill, and build.  It might be expensive if done, and we don’t do a lot of things that were done decades ago.

It might well be that the area near Ocala is a lot easier to develop.  Maybe fewer horses.
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« Reply #5665 on: June 12, 2026, 07:28:38 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 12, 2026, 07:23:10 AM
Some of the Everglades area of course is national park.  And I highly suspect badge knows a bit about zoning.

It might not ne as simple as buy swamp, fill, and build.  It might be expensive if done, and we don’t do a lot of things that were done decades ago.

It might well be that the area near Ocala is a lot easier to develop.  Maybe fewer horses.

That can no longer be done, unless the developer provides massive compensatory and mitigation measures.

Fill one acre? Lose two to mitigation.

Nobody is lining up to do that.
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« Reply #5666 on: June 12, 2026, 07:58:27 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 12, 2026, 07:19:45 AM
I was kidding …..
I wasn't...........
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« Reply #5667 on: June 12, 2026, 09:13:09 AM »
I’ll defer to someone who lives in the area and has Worked in the field a few … decades.

But 24 million is a lot to add.

These are of course guesses based on current trends.  I read Atlanta will hit 8.3 million by 2040 I think it is.  There are no plans to expand the hard rail system.  They are rebuilding interchanges and adding express lanes to GA 400 at an insane cost.  The other freeways are maxed out on lanes.  Traffic density could go up a lot with autonomous.
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« Reply #5668 on: June 12, 2026, 09:14:46 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 12, 2026, 09:13:09 AM
I’ll defer to someone who lives in the area and has Worked in the field a few … decades.

But 24 million is a lot to add.

These are of course guesses based on current trends.  I read Atlanta will hit 8.3 million by 2040 I think it is.  There are no plans to expand the hard rail system.  They are rebuilding interchanges and adding express lanes to GA 400 at an insane cost.  The other freeways are maxed out on lanes.  Traffic density could go up a lot with autonomous.

Obvious solution is:


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« Reply #5669 on: June 12, 2026, 09:53:13 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 12, 2026, 07:28:38 AM
That can no longer be done, unless the developer provides massive compensatory and mitigation measures.

Fill one acre? Lose two to mitigation.

Nobody is lining up to do that.


I don't know what this means.  Can you explain more?  

It sounds like you're saying if somebody buys 3 acres to develop, they can actually do something with 1 and have to leave the other 2.  Is it like how in CenTex in the Edwards Aquifer recharge zones, people are only allowed to build on 25% of any purchased property?  
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