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Mdot21

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« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2023, 07:35:21 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2023, 07:25:31 AM
Vince Young.

End of story.
yeah, he really was an incredible player.
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2023, 07:40:34 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2023, 11:39:53 PM
Your favorite network has randomly ranked the top 75 QBs in the 2000s. 

5. Joe Burrow.....they say Newton, Young, and Burrow had the best individual seasons, but Mayfield the best career.
speaking of Joe Burrow....



https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1660118859804823554?s=20
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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2023, 07:49:52 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2023, 07:56:44 AM »
I think these "writers" are fairly clever at getting clicks in the off season, I suspect it's a bit of an art, and that is what they are paid to do.  Rankings is a good way to attract controversy, and controversy sells.  Somewhere I saw a "news" item about top ten beaches by "Dr. Beach".  OK, I guess, the funny thing is this list comes out every year, as if the top ten has totally changed from last year.  (I didn't open the item.)

One kind of list or ranking I would like is something like "best X you never heard of" on a local basis, like best Q or Cubans or whatever, in some hideaway off the beaten.  That could help because I probably had never heard of the place.

I'd trust folks around here a lot more than ESPN to "rank" players, but really, I just have a list ot top dudes at some position and don't get too bothered about ranking them.  They were all fantastic, just enjoy that.
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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2023, 08:00:11 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 23, 2023, 07:35:21 AM
yeah, he really was an incredible player.
Could have played at a high level at almost any position on the field. Incredible is almost an understatement here.
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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2023, 08:37:06 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 23, 2023, 07:40:34 AM
speaking of Joe Burrow....



https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1660118859804823554?s=20
Is that not called "motivation"?  We know how UM would poke and barb players.  In learning how he operated in his 6 years at Florida, I read this and think he's wanting to light a fire under this kid, not just woefully being wrong about his ability level.
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Plus, and it seems like everyone forgets this, Burrow was average in his year at LSU before Joe Brady got there. 
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2023, 08:43:56 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2023, 08:00:11 AM
Could have played at a high level at almost any position on the field. Incredible is almost an understatement here.
Not bad for a guy that was benched in 2004, before figuring it out in the 2nd half vs OKSt that year. 
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I get why people tend to look at someone's peak and rank them based on that, but I just take their average.  If I have a guy to lead my team in a big game against a good team, I'm not likely to get his peak.  That's basic logic.  What's his average, ho-hum production going to be, because that's the most likely outcome he'll provide.  
I think I'm in the minority on that.

The stats say VY was a shitty passer until 2005.  For all the flack Tebow gets, his passing production was LIGHT YEARS better than Young's. 

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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2023, 08:50:13 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2023, 08:00:11 AM
Could have played at a high level at almost any position on the field. Incredible is almost an understatement here.
Which makes Jeff Fisher's treatment of him in the League even more disgraceful than it already was.
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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2023, 08:52:21 AM »
It's interesting to list the college QBs who were great, or near great, and completely floundered in the NFL.  Does anyone here think Stetson Bennett will ever start an NFL game?  Of course it's possible, but I'd guess most here think he's more apt to hold a CB a while.  Aaron Murray put up great passing yards, over 3,000 in each of 4 years, didn't have much of a career later.  Tebow is another example.

Maybe the main factor is that 25 yard out pattern.  They are 2 mph slower than Stafford (or more) and it's critical.
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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2023, 08:56:16 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2023, 08:43:56 AM
Not bad for a guy that was benched in 2004, before figuring it out in the 2nd half vs OKSt that year. 
  


Back then most UT fans were wanting to see him at WR. That would have been stupid.

As for the benching, well, that's called motivation.
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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2023, 09:19:40 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 23, 2023, 07:56:44 AM
I think these "writers" are fairly clever at getting clicks in the off season, I suspect it's a bit of an art, and that is what they are paid to do.  Rankings is a good way to attract controversy, and controversy sells.  Somewhere I saw a "news" item about top ten beaches by "Dr. Beach".  OK, I guess, the funny thing is this list comes out every year, as if the top ten has totally changed from last year.  (I didn't open the item.)

One kind of list or ranking I would like is something like "best X you never heard of" on a local basis, like best Q or Cubans or whatever, in some hideaway off the beaten.  That could help because I probably had never heard of the place.

I'd trust folks around here a lot more than ESPN to "rank" players, but really, I just have a list ot top dudes at some position and don't get too bothered about ranking them.  They were all fantastic, just enjoy that.
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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2023, 09:31:22 AM »
It's interesting, to me, that what's in demand often is something controversial bordering on the ridiculous.

And of course, something the audience wants to hear anyway is in demand, but with a mixed group of fans that isn't possible.

So, some "expert" posts a preseason top 25 that doesn't include UGA ... it would get "comments" ...
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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2023, 11:25:42 AM »
Quote from: GopherRock on May 23, 2023, 08:50:13 AM
Which makes Jeff Fisher's treatment of him in the League even more disgraceful than it already was.
Jeff Fisher was the biggest clown hack mediocre coach this side of Wayne Fontes. Only difference is he turned a fluke super bowl run with Steve McNair and Eddie George into a 20+ year NFL head coaching career. No idea how that moron lasted as long as he did in the NFL. 

Vince Young had immaturity problems for sure, maybe even mental health issues but Jeff Fisher pretty much ruined him. Where you get selected to in the NFL matters. VY might've wound up a HOF player had he been selected by, say someone like Andy Reid or Sean McVay. 
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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2023, 02:04:10 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 23, 2023, 08:56:16 AM
Back then most UT fans were wanting to see him at WR. That would have been stupid.

As for the benching, well, that's called motivation.
would have made a pro-bowl NFL TE
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