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GopherRock

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Re: Rankings ... ugh
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2023, 02:39:11 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 22, 2023, 12:53:35 PM
Two different things here, seasonal polls by the AP or whatever versus some committee seeding teams for a playoff.  I doubt the latter provided that justification.
All of the computer based rankings also had the Gophers in the same range, and they were still dispatched to Bama as the #3.
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2023, 02:41:11 PM »
Quote from: GopherRock on May 22, 2023, 02:39:11 PM
All of the computer based rankings also had the Gophers in the same range, and they were still dispatched to Bama as the #3.
And the rational provided was that Bama was in the SEC?
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2023, 03:09:25 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 22, 2023, 02:41:11 PM
And the rational provided was that Bama was in the SEC?

Yup. The chair of the committee was grilled at length by the host of the selection show after the bracket was revealed. The only coherent excuse in the subsequent word salad was that Bama was SEC and Minnesota was not.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2023, 03:14:14 PM »
Was there a specific quote including "SEC"?  Or did he just claim Bama had more impressive wins?    I know the football committee is more impressed with apparently nice looking wins than AP sportswriters, from what I can tell.  The AP more leans on absolute record I think.
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2023, 09:02:21 PM »
Quote from: GopherRock on May 22, 2023, 10:34:43 AM
Softball and baseball are like this year in and year out.

Some years ago, the twice-beaten Gopher softball team was top-6 in all rankings going into the NCAA Tournament. The committee rewarded them by sending them to Tuscaloosa as the 3 seed in their regional. The justification was that Bama was SEC.
In softball, the B1G isn't a "P5" conference. 
Once that is acknowledged, the rest is unremarkable.
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The SEC had 7 other teams hosting regionals that year.  Alabama was 30 games over .500 overall.  Their SOS must have been orders of magnitude tougher than Minnesota's. 
And in the end, Minnesota went 0-2 vs Bama in that regional. 

What are you complaining about here??
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2023, 11:39:53 PM »
Your favorite network has randomly ranked the top 75 QBs in the 2000s.  
1. Baker Mayfield
2. Cam Newton
3. Vince Young
4. Tim Tebow
5. Joe Burrow.....they say Newton, Young, and Burrow had the best individual seasons, but Mayfield the best career.
6. Deshaun Watson
7. Kyler Murray
8. Lamar Jackson
9. Marcus Mariota
10. Robert Griffin III
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Discuss.
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2023, 11:44:42 PM »
Quote from: GopherRock on May 22, 2023, 02:39:11 PM
All of the computer based rankings also had the Gophers in the same range, and they were still dispatched to Bama as the #3.
They were the number two, not the number three. As far as I’m seeing, it was the difference between the last regional hosting spot at the first number two.

I can see the logic that the difference in record couldn’t part be explained by Alabama facing a much, much tougher schedule. I can also understand being mad that you put up an extremely nice record and didn’t get rewarded.

in either case, they got to settle it on the field.
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2023, 11:48:18 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2023, 11:39:53 PM
Your favorite network has randomly ranked the top 75 QBs in the 2000s. 
1. Baker Mayfield
2. Cam Newton
3. Vince Young
4. Tim Tebow
5. Joe Burrow.....they say Newton, Young, and Burrow had the best individual seasons, but Mayfield the best career.
6. Deshaun Watson
7. Kyler Murray
8. Lamar Jackson
9. Marcus Mariota
10. Robert Griffin III
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Discuss.
The whole network voted? Wow!

(This was one guy‘s ranking. He’s a very self-aware guy. He basically says this is subjective and understands that this exists because his bosses like rankings, and sometimes it’s fun to rank things)
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2023, 11:48:26 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 22, 2023, 11:44:42 PM
 I can also understand being mad that you put up an extremely nice record and didn’t get rewarded.

For sure.
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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2023, 11:49:15 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on May 22, 2023, 11:48:18 PM
The whole network voted? Wow!

(This was one guy‘s ranking. He’s a very self-aware guy. He basically says this is subjective and understands that this exists because his bosses like rankings, and sometimes it’s fun to rank things)
I agree with Mayfield at the top.  I think he's underrated.  He had 2 of the best seasons ever.  2!  One is special enough.  
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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2023, 01:05:49 AM »
I'm gonna say this here and not the obits thread:
it annoys me that ESPN 150 ranked Jim Brown #1 college RB ever.  Jim Brown wasn't JIM BROWN in 1956.  Sorry, that's revisionist history.
2 different OU backs had better seasons than him.  It's not like he finished 2nd to Hornung for the Heisman, he finished 5th.
And even look at the draft that year:  he was the 6th pick and the 3rd RB taken.  
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He was obviously physically gifted, but you could rank him #1 if he:
a - had especially better statistical season(s) than anybody else
b - was thought of as the best in the context of a season
c - maybe lacked volume, but was the surefire #1 pick (or something like that)
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He didn't do any of those.  
Here's the thing:  you could kind of maybe argue him being the best player in 1956, but it would require some arguing.
That being said, there's no argument that he was the best COLLEGE RB of all-time, sorry.  
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RIP, Mr. Brown.
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2023, 07:13:56 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2023, 01:05:49 AM
I'm gonna say this here and not the obits thread:
it annoys me that ESPN 150 ranked Jim Brown #1 college RB ever.  Jim Brown wasn't JIM BROWN in 1956.  Sorry, that's revisionist history.
2 different OU backs had better seasons than him.  It's not like he finished 2nd to Hornung for the Heisman, he finished 5th.
And even look at the draft that year:  he was the 6th pick and the 3rd RB taken. 
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He was obviously physically gifted, but you could rank him #1 if he:
a - had especially better statistical season(s) than anybody else
b - was thought of as the best in the context of a season
c - maybe lacked volume, but was the surefire #1 pick (or something like that)
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He didn't do any of those. 
Here's the thing:  you could kind of maybe argue him being the best player in 1956, but it would require some arguing.
That being said, there's no argument that he was the best COLLEGE RB of all-time, sorry. 
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RIP, Mr. Brown.
Jim Brown is certainly in the NFL RB GOAT discussion, but agree with you, not in the COLLEGE goat RB discussion.

in terms of best college RB, I always go back and forth between Herschel Walker and Barry Sanders. Walker had the longevity and had more productive years, but Barry Sanders' '88 season was the best RB season ever and maybe even best season period ever for a college player. Barry Sanders was so otherworldly talented, I tend to lean towards him. But I can definitely see why people would pick Herschel #1.
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2023, 07:17:04 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 22, 2023, 11:39:53 PM
Your favorite network has randomly ranked the top 75 QBs in the 2000s. 
1. Baker Mayfield
2. Cam Newton
3. Vince Young
4. Tim Tebow
5. Joe Burrow.....they say Newton, Young, and Burrow had the best individual seasons, but Mayfield the best career.
6. Deshaun Watson
7. Kyler Murray
8. Lamar Jackson
9. Marcus Mariota
10. Robert Griffin III
.
Discuss.
LOL.

Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray belong nowhere near this list. They put up inflated #'s playing in a weak ass no defense playing B12 for a coach/offensive system with Lincoln Riley that manufactures easy yards and pads stats imo. Hype machine. I'm afraid Caleb Williams will be just like them when he hits the NFL. B.U.S.T.

Joe Burrow or Vince Young are the best I've ever seen. Flip a coin.
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2023, 07:25:31 AM »
Vince Young. 

End of story.
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