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Kris60

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Proposed rule changes
« on: February 20, 2023, 09:38:55 PM »
The one that will garner the most attention is the clock still running after an incomplete pass, which, honestly, seems ludicrous to me.  A running clock after a first down would also be a significant change, but something we’ve all seen forever in the NFL.

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2023, 10:13:37 PM »
I think the 3 rules changes will happen, but not the running clock after an incomplete pass.  That'd remove like 10-15 plays per game.  That's a lot.
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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2023, 10:14:33 PM »
I don't totally mind the clock running after a first down for most of the game, but would very much like the current rules in in the last five minutes of halves (frankly, I think they should go further and require advancing the ball to roll the clock in the last two minutes, but no one wants that Arena rule, but me). 

Incomplete seem silly. I'd also favor a 45 second cap on replays, cut halftime, cut some commercials. Assuming we want shorter games, which honestly seems like a sort of silly goal 

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2023, 10:19:01 PM »
They CLAIM they want shorter games due to safety (ie - fewer plays, not necessarily fewer minutes).  
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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2023, 10:53:24 PM »
https://www.si.com/college/2023/02/20/college-football-shorter-game-rules

Sorry. Meant to post a link in my original post and forgot to.

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2023, 12:17:31 AM »
They did this like 15 years ago, and had the clock run when the ball was kicked, and continue running after the special teams play, it was stupid and they got rid of it after a year.

I think Bielema gamed it one time.

I would get rid of any automatic reviews, and go to a 100% challenge system. You get it right, good on you, you get it wrong, you lose a time out. If you are out of timeouts, you cant challenge anything.

I would also be fine with the clock not stopping on first downs anymore

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2023, 07:47:51 AM »
They did this like 15 years ago, and had the clock run when the ball was kicked, and continue running after the special teams play, it was stupid and they got rid of it after a year.

I think Bielema gamed it one time.

I would get rid of any automatic reviews, and go to a 100% challenge system. You get it right, good on you, you get it wrong, you lose a time out. If you are out of timeouts, you cant challenge anything.

I would also be fine with the clock not stopping on first downs anymore
Yes, he did, and it really pissed off JoePa.

Why are people constantly trying to wreck the game? Do they hate us that much?
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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2023, 08:24:08 AM »
Yes, he did, and it really pissed off JoePa.

Why are people constantly trying to wreck the game? Do they hate us that much?
It's all about the Benjamins. The fewer plays they can have in a game, the more time for commercials and thus, the more revenue from the sponsors. The networks only care about 1 thing and it is not football. 

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2023, 08:44:35 AM »
Badgers' ploy exploits new rule vs. PSU https://archive.triblive.com/news/badgers-ploy-exploits-new-rule-vs-psu/  Man, I remember JoPa was furious.

  

A couple of things stood out from the SI article Kris60 linked:
1) Non-televised games are only two minutes shorter than televised. I call Bull sh!t, on that.
2) The college game on average last 11 minutes longer with 25 more plays.
3) college half time is 20 minutes, where the NFL is only 12. (Gosh there are 8 minutes (75%) that can get made up with out changing a thing.

I'm intrigued by the clock keeps running on an incomplete pass rule. The game changes so much in those last 2-4 minutes of a game, it becomes pass only. I think this rule will change how those last few minutes are played out. (Everything to the outside so you can get out of bounds and shorter passes so everyone can get back to the line faster.)

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2023, 10:37:44 AM »
I'd rather have more plays and fewer delays

I'd be fine with no reviews for refs.

call it like you see it like the old daze

yes, they get some wrong, they have replay and still get them wrong
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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2023, 12:39:44 PM »
There would be fewer last-minute comebacks.  Most would say that's a loss of entertainment.  I like fewer comebacks, personally.  I think the team that earned the lead playing "normal" football should win as often as possible.  It's kind of lame that a team can win the game, playing 7-on-7 in the last 90 seconds.  
But I'm in the minority, I know.
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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2023, 12:48:58 PM »
Good points OAM, how dare you draw attention to residual outcomes!

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2023, 12:52:35 PM »
There would be fewer last-minute comebacks.  Most would say that's a loss of entertainment.  I like fewer comebacks, personally.  I think the team that earned the lead playing "normal" football should win as often as possible.  It's kind of lame that a team can win the game, playing 7-on-7 in the last 90 seconds. 
But I'm in the minority, I know.
As you said, you are most likely in the minority. 

I would counter with there is a reason the game is 60 mins long instead of 58 mins and 30 secs. If a team is able to come back and pull out a win in the last 90 secs, that makes for a great game. Teams have to play all 60 mins.

That is the same as when people complain about a penalty being called in the last couple of mins in a game. If it was a foul in the first 58 mins, it is a foul in the last 2. And no, the refs didn't decide the game, the person committing the penalty caused the flag. Now I don't care for refs that call a foul late in the game when they let that same foul happen earlier in the game. Officiate every play the same regardless of who commits the foul or when it is committed. 

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2023, 12:57:18 PM »
Right.

There are no rules stopping a team from playing the first 58 minutes the way they might play the last 2 during a comeback.  Nothing more than a longstanding convention to play more conservatively, early.  But why?

And the spread of the HUNH is showing that more coaches are willing to play "riskier" football earlier in the game, anyway.



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