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NorthernOhioBuckeye

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2023, 09:19:59 AM »
3 TOs is fine

one being a 30 sec TO

it's the zebras with replay and the TV commercials that are too long
Exactly! Do away with instant replay and the games will be shortened without have to change a bunch of other rules. 

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« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2023, 09:27:46 AM »
I actually don't see this being replaced by more commercials. Does anybody watch commercials? If it's an MSU game, I'm locked on to the channel, otherwise I'm flipping around. I think that's why a lot of sports have gone to the split screen brief commercials during brief stoppages.
They don't care if you watch the commercials, they just need to get them in to charge the customer. 

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2023, 09:29:40 AM »
But what about the receivers and DB's that are 50 yds downfield and have to run back to get set for the next play? Also, the side judges and back judges have to hustle back to their positions before the ball is marked ready for play. With a running clock after a long incompletion and game time expiring, if you team was behind and the clock was running out trying to get everyone back to the LOS, you would/could be furious.

Having been a HS official for 30 years, I understand the mechanics involved in ending one play and being ready to begin another. From my perspective, it is intuitive that the clock stops after an incomplete pass. Anything else would just feel weird. 
But don't the WRs that ran 50 yards downfield have to get back to the line for the next play regardless of whether the clock stops or not?  Unless you are talking about the last 2 minutes of each half.  Otherwise I don't see the issue if the clock keeps running after an incomplete pass.

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2023, 09:36:25 AM »
But what about the receivers and DB's that are 50 yds downfield and have to run back to get set for the next play? Also, the side judges and back judges have to hustle back to their positions before the ball is marked ready for play. With a running clock after a long incompletion and game time expiring, if you team was behind and the clock was running out trying to get everyone back to the LOS, you would/could be furious.

Having been a HS official for 30 years, I understand the mechanics involved in ending one play and being ready to begin another. From my perspective, it is intuitive that the clock stops after an incomplete pass. Anything else would just feel weird. 
On a 50-yard completion in-bounds, the o-line and QB and probably d-line at the very least, and the side judges and back judges, have to run 50 yards the other way, to set up the next play, and yet the clock doesn't stop, other than enough time to reset the chains assuming it was a first down, right?


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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2023, 05:00:49 PM »
But what about the receivers and DB's that are 50 yds downfield and have to run back to get set for the next play? Also, the side judges and back judges have to hustle back to their positions before the ball is marked ready for play. With a running clock after a long incompletion and game time expiring, if you team was behind and the clock was running out trying to get everyone back to the LOS, you would/could be furious.

Having been a HS official for 30 years, I understand the mechanics involved in ending one play and being ready to begin another. From my perspective, it is intuitive that the clock stops after an incomplete pass. Anything else would just feel weird. 
I am all for starting the clock on the ready after an incomplete pass. Not to have it keep running throughout the process

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« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2023, 05:03:19 PM »
On a 50-yard completion in-bounds, the o-line and QB and probably d-line at the very least, and the side judges and back judges, have to run 50 yards the other way, to set up the next play, and yet the clock doesn't stop, other than enough time to reset the chains assuming it was a first down, right?


Starts on the ready, not necessarily when the chains are set if there was a first down. Many times in a HS game, we will wound the clock when just the box is set but not the chains. 

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #48 on: February 23, 2023, 05:11:52 PM »
I am all for starting the clock on the ready after an incomplete pass. Not to have it keep running throughout the process
Starts on the ready, not necessarily when the chains are set if there was a first down. Many times in a HS game, we will wound the clock when just the box is set but not the chains.
Gotcha.  So yeah, I don't see any reason why you couldn't wind the clock on the ready after an incomplete pass, same as any other play.  I don't see a legitimate, functional, or sporting reason why it should be treated any differently.

Now historically, obviously there are reasons.  And a lot of current strategy is built on these regulations.

But so what?

To keep a rule just because that's the way it's been for a long time?  Eh. I'd rather see inconsistencies eliminated and the rulebook shortened.

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2023, 09:52:26 AM »
Gotcha.  So yeah, I don't see any reason why you couldn't wind the clock on the ready after an incomplete pass, same as any other play.  I don't see a legitimate, functional, or sporting reason why it should be treated any differently.

Now historically, obviously there are reasons.  And a lot of current strategy is built on these regulations.

But so what?

To keep a rule just because that's the way it's been for a long time?  Eh. I'd rather see inconsistencies eliminated and the rulebook shortened.

Every year in HS there are rule changes, some are safety, some are to make us more like College.  It use to be that the NFHS wanted to make as few "exceptions" as possible with HS Rules, but it seems like most of the rules that are changed are to make exceptions to the current rules and just making the rule book even larger.  Personally I stay in the rule book most of the year and am the rule "expert" for my crew but each year it gets harder and harder to keep up with it. It's not the rules, in general, it is all the exceptions that keep being added year after year. I am all for simplification, but ain't going happen, It just like the gov't simplifing the tax code. 

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2023, 10:36:54 AM »
On a 50-yard completion in-bounds, the o-line and QB and probably d-line at the very least, and the side judges and back judges, have to run 50 yards the other way, to set up the next play, and yet the clock doesn't stop, other than enough time to reset the chains assuming it was a first down, right?
Correct. At least the clock stopped giving the Refs, chain crew and both teams time to get downfield for the next play. But if they change that rule, it would NOT stop on an incompletion. 

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« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2023, 10:40:53 AM »
Every year in HS there are rule changes, some are safety, some are to make us more like College.  It use to be that the NFHS wanted to make as few "exceptions" as possible with HS Rules, but it seems like most of the rules that are changed are to make exceptions to the current rules and just making the rule book even larger.  Personally I stay in the rule book most of the year and am the rule "expert" for my crew but each year it gets harder and harder to keep up with it. It's not the rules, in general, it is all the exceptions that keep being added year after year. I am all for simplification, but ain't going happen, It just like the gov't simplifing the tax code.
I was the rules interpreter for out officials association for a few years. To pile on the NFHS exceptions, the state would also have it's exceptions confusing the matter even further. 

Being as I retired from officiating a few years back, I have not kept up with the recent rule changes. 

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2023, 10:49:11 AM »
Correct. At least the clock stopped giving the Refs, chain crew and both teams time to get downfield for the next play. But if they change that rule, it would NOT stop on an incompletion.
Again, there's no reason it couldn't be treated the same way as any other play.  Stop the clock long enough to get set, then wind it.  There's no reason other than history, for an incomplete pass to have different rules.

Simplify the rulebook, eliminate exceptions, place less of a burden on the officials to remember a bunch of inconsequential details.

And yes I realize these things are unlikely to happen.  But what are message boards even for, if not to discuss such matters?

 

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