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Topic: Proposed rule changes

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utee94

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2023, 07:22:06 PM »
Nothing will ever be done about TV commercials but I'm fine with eliminating replay review.  I don't think it's helped much and in some ways it makes things worse, because when things are slowed down that much, even things that look apparent at speed, become questionable. Catch vs. no-catch in utlra slow-mo is always going to look weird. So just stop reviewing it.  It's silly and subjective  Kill it off, fine with me.


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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2023, 07:34:26 PM »
yup
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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2023, 07:40:46 PM »

I'm not overly concerned about the length of the games either.  I just think it's strange and arbitrary to stop the clock after one type of play, but not after others.  I don't really think there's a whole lot of danger in keeping the clock running after a deep incompletion, there are plenty of people to retrieve the ball downfield, and plenty of other people to toss the refs a fresh ball.  I consider this to be a complete non-issue.


Regardless of how it began, the clock stopping after an incompletion is now a major part of the strategy of the game.  While it may be antiquated in the functionality of the game, it's now a pivotal part of the end of each half.  
So while it's a non-issue to change it, it's also an odd stance to insist it goes away.  
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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2023, 07:48:31 PM »
I'm not in favor of changing the clock stoppage after in incomplete pass

if you want to run clock, run the ball or use high percentage passes

if you want to stop the clock throw the ball downfield

not for any other reason than it's been that way for a long time

I don't see a reason to change

if you want to speed up the game and make it more enjoyable for fans, get rid of instant replay
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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2023, 07:53:52 PM »
If the trend continues towards more and more streaming,  I would like to see them eventually going with 2 streaming options.  One where you pay extra to watch the game ad-free with no commercial interruptions.  The other where you pay for the basic service and the broadcast breaks away to show ads while live action continues.  Then when it comes back from commercials,  it shows all the replays of plays missed until it catches up.

The main reason I like this option is the actual game goes quicker for the fans in the stands.

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2023, 07:57:43 PM »
Who is complaining about the length of football games in the first place??  Aside from the 7-overtime goofball games, I have literally never even considered a game being too long. 
You obviously did not watch any Iowa games last season.  That 7-3 punt fest against SDSU was tough to watch.

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2023, 08:13:01 PM »
This game is about moving parts of different purposes into concert and achieving singular goal.  It's components in terms of beef is just a part.  Strategies and tactics are another and equal to beef.  Then there is the clock.  This is just gameday- this isn't all the preparations and rehearsal. 

You spike or throw a low percentage pass to stop the clock, you've just given up a down.  You're odds of gaining the 1st down are seriously diminished.  Your odds of scoring on a longer field are as well- as you're going to have to reach into the bag of tricks to score or get the down.  That tips your opponent today and next week of your capabilites and that too is part of the game.  

Leave the damn game alone.  Changing things is a transparent intent to benefit the very few if not the singular.  And it eliminates advantages hard fought for and secured by the established winners while allowing a crevice for something new to emerge.  New ain't always bad, but let that shit develop and seep into the game all by themselves, for crying out loud.  

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2023, 08:51:53 PM »
They changed when the play clock starts to move things along.   That was a great tactic to abuse in late game situations, as a team could kill another four to eight seconds or more  per play by simply running outside the hash marks.    

The extra cleanup time in order to spot and place the ball for the refs was an easy way to choke the life out of the clock. 

These are all arbitrary ways of playing no different than 90 foot base paths and 60 feet 6 inches.   They don't have to be  any way.

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2023, 09:39:36 PM »
I think going to a full challenge replay system is an easy fix.

My other issue is the hurry up and wait.  You want to go fast?  Cool.  I hate running up to the line so that the defense can't substitute, to then look over to the sidelines and stand there for 25 seconds signalling the play to everyone, while nothing happens.

I learned more football from the analysts breaking the previous play down during the huddle than from watching the game itself.  Then I learned what to look for.  That has been removed so we can watch a QB tap his helmet for 25 seconds, just in case he snaps the ball.

I'm not sure what the easy fix is to that though.  The analytics show that you are better off running a simple offense against a gassed defense.  Like most sports, the math has showed us that the most efficient way to play the game is generally the least enjoyable version.  It's why basketball has turned into a 3 point shooting contest, and baseball is just a bunch of home runs and strike outs

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2023, 02:37:56 PM »
I think going to a full challenge replay system is an easy fix.

The analytics show that you are better off running a simple offense against a gassed defense.  Like most sports, the math has showed us that the most efficient way to play the game is generally the least enjoyable version.  It's why basketball has turned into a 3 point shooting contest, and baseball is just a bunch of home runs and strike outs
Ehh, the history of the sport has also shown us the simplest ways are usually the best, regardless of pace. Kids have to learn less, kids play faster and freer, better final results. 

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2023, 05:35:26 PM »
Looking forward to less football and more commercials where football used to be.

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2023, 11:14:03 PM »
I actually don't see this being replaced by more commercials. Does anybody watch commercials? If it's an MSU game, I'm locked on to the channel, otherwise I'm flipping around. I think that's why a lot of sports have gone to the split screen brief commercials during brief stoppages.

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2023, 09:13:42 AM »
Who is complaining about the length of football games in the first place??  Aside from the 7-overtime goofball games, I have literally never even considered a game being too long. 
I don't believe these proposed rule changes have anything to do with people complaining about the length of the game. This is about carving out more time from the game for commercials for the networks to pay more money to the conferences for TV rights. The less game the actual game is played, the more commercials they can squeeze into the 3 or so hours allotted. 

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Re: Proposed rule changes
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2023, 09:18:55 AM »
I'm not overly concerned about the length of the games either.  I just think it's strange and arbitrary to stop the clock after one type of play, but not after others.  I don't really think there's a whole lot of danger in keeping the clock running after a deep incompletion, there are plenty of people to retrieve the ball downfield, and plenty of other people to toss the refs a fresh ball.  I consider this to be a complete non-issue.
But what about the receivers and DB's that are 50 yds downfield and have to run back to get set for the next play? Also, the side judges and back judges have to hustle back to their positions before the ball is marked ready for play. With a running clock after a long incompletion and game time expiring, if you team was behind and the clock was running out trying to get everyone back to the LOS, you would/could be furious. 

Having been a HS official for 30 years, I understand the mechanics involved in ending one play and being ready to begin another. From my perspective, it is intuitive that the clock stops after an incomplete pass. Anything else would just feel weird.  

 

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