OT: Obituaries Thread

[Cincydawg]

The shooting to me didn't sound at all like a pro in any sense.  A 200 yard shot with a scoped 30.06 isn't a hard shot.   He left behind a ton of evidence.  Matter of time, I think his Dad convinced him he had to come in.  

[Cincydawg]

Had you asked me 3 days ago who Charlie Kirk was, I'd have said no idea.  Name sounds vaguely familiar.

[utee94]

The shooting to me didn't sound at all like a pro in any sense.  A 200 yard shot with a scoped 30.06 isn't a hard shot.  He left behind a ton of evidence.  Matter of time, I think his Dad convinced him he had to come in. 

Yeah that was my thought as well.  I can make that shot. Not targeting a human, of course.

In fact I think it's likely that he was actually aiming for the head or heart and missed. 

[847badgerfan]

Yeah that was my thought as well.  I can make that shot. Not targeting a human, of course.

In fact I think it's likely that he was actually aiming for the head or heart and missed.

Aiming for the heart and missing high makes sense with that setup, actually.

Perhaps @Drew4UTk can weigh in as he has a lot of experience with rifles.

[MaximumSam]

This is the first murder that made me feel really old

[SFBadger96]

In fact I think it's likely that he was actually aiming for the head or heart and missed.

A virtual certainty. No "pro" would aim for the neck. They would aim for the head or the chest. He either missed low or high. Either way, I get really annoyed about all the chatter about "pro" or "sniper"...BS.

[medinabuckeye1]

A virtual certainty. No "pro" would aim for the neck. They would aim for the head or the chest. He either missed low or high. Either way, I get really annoyed about all the chatter about "pro" or "sniper"...BS.

Agreed.  I saw someone claiming it was a pro/sniper who aimed for the neck in case Kirk was wearing body armor.  Ah, if that was the concern you'd aim for the head, no?  Just because the shot hit the neck doesn't mean it was aimed for the neck.  

I also saw a discussion of this "pro" adjusting for wind drift.  Seriously?  Was there a freaking hurricane in Utah that day?  

The same thing has always annoyed me with the Kennedy conspiracy theories.  Shooting a bolt action rifle at a barely moving target that is moving almost directly away from you isn't tough at that range.  

[Cincydawg]

Normal body armor would be ineffective against high power rifle rounds.  You need ceramic plates to stop those rounds.  

[Drew4UTk]

Aiming for the heart and missing high makes sense with that setup, actually.

Perhaps @Drew4UTk can weigh in as he has a lot of experience with rifles.

Secrets of marksman and snipers (ask your son, badge) :

Any time you fire from an elevation the round strikes high.  You can't adjust dope to compensate- you have to use a hold (aiming lower or higher, left or right for that matter, defines a hold).

If the target is 200 real yards away and the angle is 20* below the shooter, the round will travel roughly 166yds gravity impacted yards and not 200 AND if firing downward, the round doesn't lose energy fighting gravity near as much.  This could easily account for a six inch deviation from intended impact and actual impact. 

Further muddy the waters:  a 20% increase in temperature allows for a full minute of angle rise.  Air is less dense. Opposite is true too.  A 20% increase in relative humidity drops it one MoA, taking away that added inch.  Again, opposite is true.  Crowds generate heat as do sun soaked surfaces.  Crowds also dispell humidity and strange turbulence.  Its is entirely conceivable the round encountered that environmental variable in flight to the target and skipped on its surface much like a rock can be skipped across water.  That would account for further elevation on impact vs intended impact. 

[MaximumSam]

So the messages on the bullets are apparently references to Internet memes and the videogame Helldivers 2. Do with that what you will.

[Drew4UTk]

A virtual certainty. No "pro" would aim for the neck. They would aim for the head or the chest. He either missed low or high. Either way, I get really annoyed about all the chatter about "pro" or "sniper"...BS.

Bull shit.  That was my calling card.  A throat is damn hard to armor.  A miss high results in a head shot; a shot low results in a sucking chest wound.  

Get annoyed all you want... I lived that life several lifes ago. 

[Cincydawg]

Humid air is less dense than dry air.  

[SFBadger96]

Bull shit.  That was my calling card.  A throat is damn hard to armor.  A miss high results in a head shot; a shot low results in a sucking chest wound. 

Get annoyed all you want... I lived that life several lifes ago.

I learn something new every day. I very much doubt that 22-year old college dropout was aiming for the throat.

[FearlessF]

really don't think it matters a bit, what he was aiming at