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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2019, 10:43:32 AM »
There was once an urban legend that Lee Marvin said on The Tonight Show that Bob Keeshan ("Captain Kangaroo") had saved his life on Iwo Jima.

But Marvin had been medically evacuated after being wounded on Saipan 8 or so months before the Iwo Jima invasion.  And Keeshan didn't turn 18 until 1945.  He enlisted, but never saw combat.

Perhaps he would have participated in the invasion of Japan, had we not dropped the atomic bombs.
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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2019, 11:46:38 AM »
It interesting how many movie stars played significant roles in the war in terms of seeing combat.  John Wayne of course did not.  George McGovern was a decorated B-17 pilot who flew quite a few missions, but he never made that part of his campaign that I recall.  My Dad's brother served on a mine sweeper as a photographer.  He was 16 years older than my dad and almost too old to go.

I happened to rewatch The Longest Day a month or so back, it's not a bad movie at all.  I won't be watching Saving Private Ryan though.


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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2019, 01:05:20 PM »
CD: I think McGovern flew B-24s in 15th Air Force.  He was featured in Stephen Ambrose's book The Wild Blue.

The B-24s was a newer design and could carry a heavier bomb load farther than a B-17 could.

But the B-24 was harder to fly, and could not maintain tight formations like the B-17 could.  It also had a lower service ceiling.  It was also less durable in terms of absorbing battle damage.  All of which made it easier prey than the B-17 for Lufwaffe fighters and flak.
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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2019, 01:07:26 PM »
Yeah, thanks, my Dad was in a B-24.  Davis wing.

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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2019, 09:43:01 PM »
CD: I think McGovern flew B-24s in 15th Air Force.  He was featured in Stephen Ambrose's book The Wild Blue.

The B-24s was a newer design and could carry a heavier bomb load farther than a B-17 could.

But the B-24 was harder to fly, and could not maintain tight formations like the B-17 could.  It also had a lower service ceiling.  It was also less durable in terms of absorbing battle damage.  All of which made it easier prey than the B-17 for Lufwaffe fighters and flak.
B-24 was the elixir for the U-boats in the 300 mile dead zone in the middle of the Atlantic that neither the USN/RN/USCG could cover.The liberator evidently had the the long range to cross the pond
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2019, 09:48:14 PM »
I believe we're coming up on 75 tomorrow.  It is amazing that many of them are still living 75 years after, I suppose they were around 20 at the time.


They had quite  a few vets on world news tonite and they definitely still had their faculties.One vet from the 101 did another jump from the same area over where he landed in '44
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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2019, 10:59:44 PM »
They had quite  a few vets on world news tonite and they definitely still had their faculties.One vet from the 101 did another jump from the same area over where he landed in '44
That jump is something for a man who must be at least in his early 90s.  I would be cautious about doing that now, and I'm a lot younger than he is.  You hit the ground hard, like jumping off the roof of a house.  18-year-old kids sometimes sprain an ankle or worse if they don't execute the parachute landing fall (PLF) correctly.  90-year-old bones tend to be pretty brittle.
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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2019, 01:59:34 AM »
My first law related job out of Florida State University law school was working for federal district judge Donald E. O'Brien in Sioux City, Iowa. He was a bombardier on a B-17. I think most of these men did not return state-side. It was a risky job.

I attended his funeral and of course there were a lot of dignitaries. But his family still remembered me from 30-years earlier, and did not leave me out. I am looking at his obituary, as I write. He flew 30-missions and became lead bombardier, and had military awards. As lead bombardier, he released his bombs, then the others in other bombers released theirs, based on his queue. If I recall correctly, he was flying over and dropping bombs on Germany. I didn't ask too many questions about his military service; I knew it could be a sensitive area.

https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/obituaries/donald-e-o-brien/article_bc155169-74e3-51a5-af9a-7e92bb7457d4.html
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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2019, 10:07:07 AM »
My Uncle was shot down behind German lines in a B-17

spent some time in a POW camp

didn't speak about it often
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2019, 10:07:41 AM »
That jump is something for a man who must be at least in his early 90s.  I would be cautious about doing that now, and I'm a lot younger than he is.  You hit the ground hard, like jumping off the roof of a house.  18-year-old kids sometimes sprain an ankle or worse if they don't execute the parachute landing fall (PLF) correctly.  90-year-old bones tend to be pretty brittle.
story I heard this morning said the guy was 97
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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2019, 10:10:11 AM »
My Dad would talk about the war a bit when I was young, like 8 or so.  I was fascinated, and of course embued with movies about war.

I'm glad to have his stories.  He had a friend who was flight lieutenant that my Dad greatly admired, he was one of the three who survived and kept the other two afloat as he was not badly injured.  He later took an R&R flight to NA and the DC-3 was lost somewhere never seen again.  His name was Isadore Lamica.

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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2019, 01:01:57 PM »
story I heard this morning said the guy was 97
There's video of it, and it wasn't with a military chute--it was a skydive, not a military jump. And even so, the landing looked a little rough. My immediate thought was to worry about how his bones managed the fall.

Here's an article
Here's an article with an embedded video.
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Re: Memorial Day
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2019, 06:45:14 PM »
Is he alright he appeared to o be after the landing
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