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So here's the thing, I think he has a bad loss problem.

Like, his teams have a habit of dud games, a little like Tress did at points, but more often. He has in Ames and did at Toledo. And you get away with that at a historically bad program. At a good one, it becomes an issue (see Herman, Tom).

Also see Carroll, Pete.  That dude would have had at least two more NC's if not for near-annual ridiculous "WTF" losses to teams that had no business even competing with his Trojan machine.  

I mean, that's the issue with MAC coaches. If they go somewhere crappy, they leave as soon as they get good.

So you either have a slow start, or you get plucked up after 2-3 years. Shoot, Campbell lasted four. And that was in part because he missed a bowl after losing to 4-7 Akron.

On the road by two,They beat the Eventual MAC champs BG and also lost to Missouri and Florida,FWIW

Also see Carroll, Pete.  That dude would have had at least two more NC's if not for near-annual ridiculous "WTF" losses to teams that had no business even competing with his Trojan machine. 

The one year Harbaugh's Stanford team beat USC as like a 4 TD dog or sumsuch.Back when he was fiery and caustic

Well ya Iowa and Purdue - happens

Virginia Tech, MSU with a backup QB, a few clunkers at Florida, etc. 

Tress mostly lost to teams that were at the tippy top of CFB. 

Urban had a lot of WTF losses too. Probably more so than Tressel. 

Urban was 170-26 at Utah, FL, and OSU and 11-3 in bowl games with 3 MNC’s. Yeah, I’ll take that all day long if it comes with some WTF losses.  

If you're talking Campbell this has been discussed, he arrived in Toledo in 2009 prior to that the Rockets had 2,5-7 seasons and 1,3-9 Season and his 1st yr as an assistant they were 5-7 - a team he did not recruit..But 3 yrs later as HC he went 9-4,7-5,9-4 so improvement and lost to teams with multiple championships.So beating Baylor ,Texas,Oklahoma,TCU doesn't count guess Aranda,Herman,Riley,Patterson should be sent packing.A quick draft check 2009-2016,that's 8 yrs the Rockets had nobody picked in the NFL draft.Love to see what this guy could do at FSU/Ore/USC/UCLA.Give him a decent base contract the rest incentives

Yes. He wins some games against better teams and has some slip-ups. And slip-ups sometimes don't get fixed when you get to the big time, and then you're Tom Herman. (I didn't say anything about the teams he beat)

You're right that he lost to teams with multiple championships. Michigan is used to that. (I honestly think he's a very good coach and could well be super at all those spots. But I'd be unsurprised if he runs into those issues)

Urban was 170-26 at Utah, FL, and OSU and 11-3 in bowl games with 3 MNC’s. Yeah, I’ll take that all day long if it comes with some WTF losses. 

Well yeah, it is awesome because he will win you a NC or two, but also frustrating because "what could have been?" Nothing you can do about the Clemson losses, but those unexpected losses cost him at least three at bats in the Playoffs, where you'd think he'd have won at least one more.